Dang it, I broke it. COMPRESSION CHECK 08/07
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07/31/16 01:04 PM
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I admittedly drive my Dakota with a heavy foot, but, never literally foot to the floor screaming high RPM's.... In a moment of frustration/panic, I wound the engine pretty tight last week. Now it smokes every time I start it. Too little time and too hot outside to dig in and diagnose it right now. Aside from the smoky starts, truck feels no different. ![confused confused](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/confused.gif) But, it is using oil now. I'm thinking of buying a long block for it, but, with 166K on everything else, what kind of can of worms would I be opening? Truck is rust free (not dent free though) and aside from the AC not working, has been a good little truck in the year and a half I've owned it. Truck has the V6 and I would probably keep it. Just thinking out loud here. What would you do?
John
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Re: Dang it, I broke it. Do I fix or move on.......
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07/31/16 02:41 PM
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I would keep it and build a fresh V6 for it. The truck does not owe you anything and whatever you get to replace it will have its own host of gremlins to be sorted.
I have thought several times that I should be selling my '87 and get a newer truck. I have seen a lot of appealing Dodges on CL and they would be perfect for towing a car trailer with the Ramcharger. But I don't need it yet and I also don't have payments either. The '87 runs very well, gas is cheap now, I have a new canopy on it and my dogs are comfortable and secure in it.
BTW 166K is not a lot of miles for a truck.
1986 Dodge Ramcharger 440 2wd, Bracket Racer Under Construction 1998 Ram 2500 QuadCab, new daily driver. 2008 Honda Element 2014 Carry-On 7x14 Cargo Trailer
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Re: Dang it, I broke it. Do I fix or move on.......
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Lower pan on intake been done on it yet? One of the first things I did. I used the Hughes kit. No A/C in this hasn't been too bad. My wagon has no A/C and that was BRUTAL! ![panic panic](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/panic.gif)
John
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Re: Dang it, I broke it. Do I fix or move on.......
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07/31/16 03:04 PM
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Time to swap in a 318 or 360. More power and no worse on fuel. Go to to the salvage yard and find a low mile motor and stick it in there.
392 gen III hemi on E-85 727 trans Dana 60 10.02@134
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Re: Dang it, I broke it. Do I fix or move on.......
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Time to swap in a 318 or 360. More power and no worse on fuel. Go to to the salvage yard and find a low mile motor and stick it in there. If I go with the V8, do I need to swap the trans too? Then there's the matter of wiring and computer. I looked underhood one day and thought "Hmmmm... a modern Hemi would fit".....but reality is that would be WAY beyond my budget. Or would it? ![devil devil](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/devil.gif)
John
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Re: Dang it, I broke it. Do I fix or move on.......
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07/31/16 05:58 PM
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The trans will bolt right up to a v-8. The motor mounts, accessories and exhaust bolt on. You will need a v-8 PCM and possibly a harness. I was cheap and used the existing V-6 harness when I did mine. Just had to add 2 injector driver wires to make it work.
392 gen III hemi on E-85 727 trans Dana 60 10.02@134
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07/31/16 11:08 PM
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Time to swap in a 318 or 360. More power and no worse on fuel. Go to to the salvage yard and find a low mile motor and stick it in there. He's right. There's lots around, they are dirt cheap and the miles are low. Not only that, but I think you will get your money back at re-sale time: you'll have the only 360 Dakota in the classifieds and people will want it!
Mo' Farts
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Re: Dang it, I broke it. Do I fix or move on.......
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07/31/16 11:52 PM
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I think you're okay. If the weakest one you have is the 904 based one (42 or 44RH/RE) it should'nt be an issue. Actually, better than the 727 based power-sucking turds (46RE/RH).
Mo' Farts
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Re: Dang it, I broke it. Do I fix or move on.......
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08/01/16 09:35 PM
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I guess the question is, how much oil is it going through? That would be the deciding factor. Might be a good time to run a compression test to see if you broke rings or piston ring lands. If the compression test shows OK, you probably blew out the valve seals or the bottom intake gasket.
I over revved the 3.9 in my coupe when I was out playing one day. Even after that, it ran nearly a full year before I grew concerned enough I replaced it. That motor had a pretty sorted history to begin with, and 149K miles on it. I replaced it with another 3.9 (I bought a wrecked truck with a good motor for cheap). That replacement used motor uses a quart of oil about every 1,000 miles when driving around town (even nearly dead, the original motor didn't use oil). The "new" motor has 118K miles and has had a timing belt replaced.
The truck I bought (for then scrap price, $275) has nearly paid for itself from parts I've sold off, I'm keeping it around in case I need something else, too bad the frame was bent so badly.
Even with a nearly free replacement motor, I have $300-$400 in stuff I've replaced with the motor (the while I'm here syndrome).
I'd run your current motor until it shows signs that concern you. That may be a very long time. A running driving Dakota (of that era) that moves down the road (even with a smoking motor) will bring $1,000 here, parts trucks still bring $500. Run it until it dies, then sell it to someone building an old car or truck. Gene
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08/02/16 12:09 AM
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I don't see a lot of smoke, but,admittedly its hard to watch the tailpipe all the time. Usually it uses about half a quart between oil changes (3500-4000 miles), its gone down half a quart in about 200 miles since this happened. And today I (briefly) heard what sounded like piston slap? Not 100% sure, but, it was definitely a sound I haven't heard before. Prices on Dakotas around here vary widely (by huge margins), no rhyme or reason. It's VERY rare to see one below $800 no matter how trashed it is. I almost scored another '93 for cheap last year, but the owner wouldn't budge on the price. The truck ran good but had a blown trans, they were asking $650, I had $500 cash and honestly couldn't go higher at the time. They junked the truck instead. ![frowwn frowwn](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/frowwn.gif) I guess Pick-A-Part gave them more than I could.
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