Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969
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I have a bunch of low mile original cars - a bunch with Organosol painted areas. The stuff that Badalson sells is as close to dead nuts as you can buy if applied properly. There are not too many people that painted a lot of lacquer back in the 60's and 70's around these days. Painting lacquer is totally unique and what techniques that apply to acrylic urethane, base-clear etc. does not look right with laquer. Original Organosol has suede (for texture) and a tiny bit of metallic in it - it's there, look. Roger did devise an acrylic urethane formula when the original stuff disappeared - it was decent but a little too textured. The stuff Frank found is good and I have used it on an A12, an AAR and a T/A and will use it on a Daytona and a 70 Charger.
BTW - an earlier poster commented on Charger tail panels being flat black and not Organosol. This is 50% correct. The factory engineering shows both paints as an option for the tail panels...I think it may have depended on the plant (state law?). My original stuff also varies in texture from car to car. This is probably because of a lot of different factors - pressure, thinner, temp etc. etc.
As for the person that called Frank a "tool". I could only wish for more tools like him in our hobby - I would fill my toolbox right up with those tools any day. He sells a lot of great paints - he is not a painter. He will tell you he is not a painter. An experienced painter is the only one I would ask about paint compatibility. A lot of people think if they spend 20 bucks they are entitled to 20 hours of information - He has always been generous to the hobby with information on original cars but can't afford to answer hours of questions that many people ask him (and Roger) every day. I myself have kept him on the phone with questions far too long and realize - this dude is trying to run a business and make a living. Enuff said about that - time for a beer!
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Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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07/24/09 04:23 PM
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I never had to ask a paint supplier how to use the products they sell. Any painter which knows about these paints will be able to apply Franks paints.
I have seen his organosol put on top base clear and acr. enamel.
What does this have to do with Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 anyway?
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Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969
[Re: Alaska_A12]
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I remember the question used to be "what paint was used on the lift-off-hood?" It seems that it's pretty much a fact that it was and is organosol so for those of us that have used the word ORGANOSOL and never really knew what the heck it is here is the definition: Go here and click on the little speaker [< so you can pronounce it like an expert | V http://mw1.meriam-webster.com/medical/organosol Main Entry: or·gan·o·sol Pronunciation: \ȯr-ˈgan-ə-ˌsäl, -ˌsȯl\ Function: noun : a sol in which an organic liquid forms the dispersion medium 1. organosol definition or·ga·no·sol (ôr gan′ə säl′) noun a colloid consisting of a solid within an organic liquid. 2. organosol [ȯr′gan·ə‚sȯl] (materials) Finely divided or colloidal suspension of insoluble material in a suspending organic liquid; known as plastisol when the solid is a synthetic resin suspended in an organic liquid; used for coatings, moldings, and casting of films. A dispersion of very finely divided resin particles that are suspended in an organic-liquid mixture which cannot dissolve the resin at normal temperatures. 3. Organosol... A plastisol to which a solvent has been added. 4. organosol Pronunciation: ōr-gan′ō-sol A hydrosol with an organic liquid instead of water as the dispersion means. MikeR
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Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969
[Re: jrwoodjoe]
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Just bumping this up to see if anyone has anything new to add on this subject since I will need to advise my paint guy.
Thanks, Joe
I just bought a very expensive gallon of the DDL9355 Organosol Black Acrylic Lacquer for doing the taillight panels of my cars, as well as my Challenger T/A hood & 69 Road Runner hoods.
Bumping the thread to see what the latest advice on applying the DDL9355 lacquer over a modern PPG base/clear coat paint would be.
A few questions too...
1) Is a barrier required because it is a lacquer?
2) What is the shelf life of an un-opened can of DDL9355... I have another can of DDL9355 about 10 years old or so, and when shaken it sloshes around like it was just canned. Thinking about trying this old batch first, and resealing it in four quart or eight pint cans immediately after opening... thoughts? What is the oldest mix anyone has successfully used?
3) With the old batch I bought DTL876 thinner, what thinners are available now that can be used?
4) Are the old and new batch likely to be different due to substitutions of components?
5) Are other additives like hardeners, accelerators, etc normally required when applying DDL9355? Does it depend whether is a hood or taillight panel?
6) What is the latest on modern non-lacquer Organosol substitutes? Safer to apply on modern paints?
Any application advice or links to good material would be appreciated. I am gathering this information to give to the painter, who has not sprayed Organosol before...
Thanks... Allen
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Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969
[Re: xs29j8]
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11/16/10 09:56 PM
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Also a Hobby painter here, Tom is right on his suggestions. Currently available thinners will work. The slowest thinner is DTL 105, I believe.. Sealing the modern paint is critical. Laquer will try to eat into the lower coats and cause all kinds of problems.. On my Roadrunner I used the DP epoxy primer with the textured Laquer on the dash, good results.. For the hood, I used the Concept version of Organisol, (DCC) on top of the clear coat with no sealer it came out looking good as well. I didnt want to risk the laquer on top of the modern paint. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif)
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Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969
[Re: ThermoQuad]
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11/19/10 07:54 PM
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I also like the use of the Concept version of Organisol (DCC) for hood treatments such as the Roadrunner & GTX. Note the texture finish is not the same as the DDL, but it is what's best unless its a 100 pt show poodle.
The person that painted my '69 GTX thinks the same way as you Tom. When the hood stripes were being painted I sent everything I had and everything from (early on in) this thread to him and he just couldn't bring himself to using any of the formulas for the '69 GTX hood stripes He mixed up what he felt was correct and sprayed it and I never did get the final mix info from him........so far. I think it's close to correct, well it's porous enough like I remember my RR was back in '69 for the Simonize wax to make a mess of the edges ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif)
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Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969
[Re: ThermoQuad]
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11/19/10 08:11 PM
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I also like the use of the Concept version of Organisol (DCC) for hood treatments such as the Roadrunner & GTX. Note the texture finish is not the same as the DDL, but it is what's best unless its a 100 pt show poodle.
Tom, thanks for posting the info and sharing it with others. Curious, what (if anything) do you do differently when spraying the DDC?
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