Re: Opinions on Thermoquad Carbs?
[Re: moparmatt]
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07/26/16 10:01 PM
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TQs are the best street carb hands down. Anyone that says otherwise doesn't know how to set one up
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Re: Opinions on Thermoquad Carbs?
[Re: moparmatt]
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I am restoring a 1978 dodge power wagon factory 440 automatic with A/C still has thermoquad a couple friends said get if off there before it burns up? Let me know what you all think? Thanks yes they can be finicky (but we are the complaint/fixit dept so we get all the problems) but you have it & I'd kit it & (highly) likely you will be fine. the black phenolic bowls have warped on a few of em. make sure your choke is working correct (flooding is a frequent complaint). it is one of the finest OE carbs out there & compares to the rochester quadrajet as far as metering systems. You may need to richen (drill out) the jets.
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Re: Opinions on Thermoquad Carbs?
[Re: stumpy]
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07/27/16 11:38 AM
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Nothing like the sound of a TQ when the secondarys open. +1
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Re: Opinions on Thermoquad Carbs?
[Re: poorboy]
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07/27/16 11:39 AM
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I disagree with much of the comments in this thread.
I daily drove my satellite for 10 years with a thermoquad on a 440. Anyone who says you need to rekit them every year, constantly retune them, deal with leaking phenolic bowls, live with poor throttle response and suffer with an overall finicky carb is either full of bull or just regurgitating what they've read on the internet.
A well tuned thermoquad is the next best thing to fuel injection. Number 1 issue is guys don't know how to tune them, then blame the carb for their own shortcomings. There is a lot of tuning that can be done on them without changing parts. You bend linkages to tune them. Number 1 issue is getting the choke setup right. You tune the choke so the choke flapper door does not fully close. It should stay open in the front by a pencil width. If yours closes fully, you've set it up wrong. After that, even at below freezing temperatures, mine would fire up easy, and I could kick it down and drive away after 30 seconds without any hickups. Then you will need to get your idle speed/mix setup right, however that's as easy as on any other carb. The hard parts come with getting the secondaries setup, many guys don't understand the relationships between the secondary air door tensioner, travel limiter and accelerator pump adjustments. Just because it looks like it's setup right, doesn't mean it is.
After I got mine dialed in, I drove it for many years without touching it. I only had to touch it again when I upgraded cam and cylinder heads. Throttle response is crisp, better than any newer pickup truck I've driven.
I've never seen a thermoquad with a leaking phenolic bowl. I did have one that was cracked, because the carb was thrown around in a pile of parts after it was removed from the vehicle. Not really the fault of the carb.
Biggest favor you can do yourself is to study the vaanth thermoquad guide (google it) and only run the 6000 series thermoquads. The later thermoquads, the 9000 series are emissions carbs, have varying levels of additional ports and are not preferable. The ones with a part number starting with a 6 are good pre-emissions carbs. Mine doesn't even have provisions for the charcoal canister, just one vacuum port for the distributor.
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Re: Opinions on Thermoquad Carbs?
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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07/27/16 12:05 PM
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What about the aftermarket 9800 series carbs? These are not emission type carbs are they? The only difference I see is the electric choke.
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Re: Opinions on Thermoquad Carbs?
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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07/27/16 12:37 PM
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I disagree with much of the comments in this thread.
I daily drove my satellite for 10 years with a thermoquad on a 440. Anyone who says you need to rekit them every year, constantly retune them, deal with leaking phenolic bowls, live with poor throttle response and suffer with an overall finicky carb is either full of bull or just regurgitating what they've read on the internet.
A well tuned thermoquad is the next best thing to fuel injection. Number 1 issue is guys don't know how to tune them, then blame the carb for their own shortcomings. There is a lot of tuning that can be done on them without changing parts. You bend linkages to tune them. Number 1 issue is getting the choke setup right. You tune the choke so the choke flapper door does not fully close. It should stay open in the front by a pencil width. If yours closes fully, you've set it up wrong. After that, even at below freezing temperatures, mine would fire up easy, and I could kick it down and drive away after 30 seconds without any hickups. Then you will need to get your idle speed/mix setup right, however that's as easy as on any other carb. The hard parts come with getting the secondaries setup, many guys don't understand the relationships between the secondary air door tensioner, travel limiter and accelerator pump adjustments. Just because it looks like it's setup right, doesn't mean it is.
After I got mine dialed in, I drove it for many years without touching it. I only had to touch it again when I upgraded cam and cylinder heads. Throttle response is crisp, better than any newer pickup truck I've driven.
I've never seen a thermoquad with a leaking phenolic bowl. I did have one that was cracked, because the carb was thrown around in a pile of parts after it was removed from the vehicle. Not really the fault of the carb.
Biggest favor you can do yourself is to study the vaanth thermoquad guide (google it) and only run the 6000 series thermoquads. The later thermoquads, the 9000 series are emissions carbs, have varying levels of additional ports and are not preferable. The ones with a part number starting with a 6 are good pre-emissions carbs. Mine doesn't even have provisions for the charcoal canister, just one vacuum port for the distributor. I would have continued as you did but didn't feel like typing everything,you got it right !!
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Re: Opinions on Thermoquad Carbs?
[Re: dodgedon]
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07/27/16 02:21 PM
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What about the aftermarket 9800 series carbs? These are not emission type carbs are they? The only difference I see is the electric choke. From what I have read you correct in that they are non-emissions electric choke carbs. I have never seen one in person however. The 4000 series competition thermoquads are out there as well, however same deal, I have never seen one in person.
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Re: Opinions on Thermoquad Carbs?
[Re: moparmatt]
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07/27/16 02:54 PM
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Years ago I had a 75 Road Runner I put a 71 440 in, slightly warmed up with a 292-509 cam, 452 heads with a port clean-up, and a factory iron intake with an 800cfm Thermoquad. Probably one of the funnest cars I've ever owned to drive - with a few tickets to prove it. Slightly lopey idle, crisp throttle response, and the trademark Thermoquad moan. Pulled hard from idle to 6000 - I'm pretty sure there would have been nothing to gain with a Holley carb.
While there is more to tune them than a Holley, a properly tuned one is a great performing carb.
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Re: Opinions on Thermoquad Carbs?
[Re: moparmatt]
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07/27/16 05:52 PM
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I'll debate you on doing it every other year,been running them since the early 70's,A/B and C body,hardly ever had to touch them.Biggest issue is having someone doing one that isn't familiar with the adjustment procedure.There are about eleven steps,do a few out of sequence and you mess up the balance.As far as burning up,I have yet to see the first.This one on this 71 Dart went untouched for over 7 yrs. This I can't believe how much mis information is out there concerning these carbs, one of the, if not THE the most misunderstood and fantastic carburetor designs ever offered to the public.
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