Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost..........
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I weighed the two extra factory steel sedan post doors that I now have. Ummm... 'extra'?
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost..........
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Off the engine topic at the moment and for the record focusing on the 64'-65' B-body crowd, I weighed the two extra factory steel sedan post doors that I now have. With absolutely nothing in them and just the shells, they both weighed in at 77 Lbs for the pair or 38-1/2 Lbs each. I gather my doors are somewhere in the park of 30 Lbs each. Still heavy in my book. Oh well, back to this engine feathering that has spawned some rather interesting facts and or fictions. Before cutting my post doors they were 78lbs each complete with door trim panels and glass. Doug
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost..........
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Yeah, I did not weigh the doors with all the amenities in them, but glass, glass tracks, side wing glass and their tracks and hardware, cranks, rods, lock strikers, handles, cam wheels, interior panels, seam sealer, sound dead and flash undercoating can add as much as it needs to come up with 78 Lbs per door. The steel door hinges I know weigh exactly 11-1/2 Lbs for all four.
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost..........
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Here are various braces and hardware underneath that have shaved a few pounds off. The braces are made out of super strong 7075 -T aluminum as well as 6061-T6 bolts and nuts. What did you make the round braces from? Looks like it might be tube
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost..........
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So I've been lurking a while and have digested a little over half of this thread.
I'm sure most guys know this but in case some don't the fender extensions on the Dart fenders came in two varieties from the factory one a pot metal version which my 72' Demon had and one a lightweight plastic possibly 'glass version. There is quite a bit of weight difference if you can find the light ones. The ones I found were on a set of 71 Dart/Demon fenders.
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost..........
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So I've been lurking a while and have digested a little over half of this thread.
I'm sure most guys know this but in case some don't the fender extensions on the Dart fenders came in two varieties from the factory one a pot metal version which my 72' Demon had and one a lightweight plastic possibly 'glass version. There is quite a bit of weight difference if you can find the light ones. The ones I found were on a set of 71 Dart/Demon fenders. Had a 70 340 Swinger and a 71 340 Demon, both had fiberglass extensions, 71 /6 swinger had pot metal...I have toyed with the idea of making molds for fiberglass ones...
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost..........
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In looking at the pics of the under dash area on Lee's car, I got to thinking about wiring. I know wiring has been mentioned here but just to bring it up again...
I removed any and all unnecessary wiring in my car but had to add some real heavy wiring for the battery in the trunk. I really tried to look and see where I could eliminate things that were not in use like the ash tray stuff, map light, rear defrost stuff, etc. I removed the unused wires and terminals from the junction block and fuse box, they were not cut out with the terminals left in place but removed intact.
You wonder if something like a Painless harness would weigh less? The factory harness has a lot of tape wrap, terminal connectors and associated bracketry to keep it in place. Even if a circuit is not used, the wiring is often left in place since it's tied in to the rest of the harness and can be a hassle to remove.
Just thinking out loud, not sure how much actual weight you'd save and whether it would be worth the effort/cost to change what's there now. Probably nothing close to pounds, more like a few ounces. If starting from scratch, I would think an aftermarket harness would be the way to go but retrofitting one into a currently working system would probably not be worth doing.
Also, using relays allows the use of narrower gauge wire.
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost..........
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RMCHGR, Did you get a good laugh after seeing my spaghetti farm under the dash? Good points and depending on the car and its options, the extra wiring could add up to maybe a pound at most or ounces as you stated. I've given serious thought to cleaning up, eliminating and rerouting wires under my office dash for years now, and it's about time I do so. This Winter, schedule permitting, I will go under with the solder gun, electrical sealing tape and clippers in hand. It's almost like deep sea diving under there on your back, even if it is as spartan as a Bachelors refrigerator. I guess this only matters to those that have been down the chain of every weight loss idea, but ounces do mount up eventually and that leads to pounds. I particularly love this comment by RMCHGR because it only cost a Summers afternoon and some pizza to achieve, plus I love a clean managed under dash.
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost..........
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By the way, so far with both Woodward 98 degree cruzin' a little 1/8 mile runs and City driving back here under my belt, the all aluminum exhaust tubing and muffs are not melting away. In fact, it has quieted down the car substantially. Silver Bullet should had done this back when instead of four Cadillac mufflers. Note the trans crossmember. I presume since I saw you said you wish you had known about C/M sub-frame connectors and then said that the driveshaft loop tube and crossbar were C/M that it is ok to weld these two materials together? ALso what are the Heim joints in this pic doing? and what is the zip-tied black thing around the trans?
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost..........
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Good points and depending on the car and its options, the extra wiring could add up to maybe a pound at most or ounces as you stated. I've given serious thought to cleaning up, eliminating and rerouting wires under my office dash for years now, and it's about time I do so. This Winter, schedule permitting, I will go under with the solder gun, electrical sealing tape and clippers in hand. It's almost like deep sea diving under there on your back, even if it is as spartan as a Bachelors refrigerator. I guess this only matters to those that have been down the chain of every weight loss idea, but ounces do mount up eventually and that leads to pounds. I particularly love this comment by RMCHGR because it only cost a Summers afternoon and some pizza to achieve, plus I love a clean managed under dash. If you want to make your head explode, consider that solder is LEAD and if you start soldering and taping enough wires... well you get the idea. The factory used those mega splices in the dash harness which are small lead bricks. I actually stopped soldering everything in my wiring projects. I've had it crack and cause more problems than it's worth, even when done properly. Good crimping technique and heat shrink tubing should generally be all that's needed. Most of the factory wires and connectors were just crimped and lasted 50 years if things weren't subject to wayward hands or neglect. Sometimes solder is needed in spots of course but if I can avoid it now, I do. Last fall I replaced the entire dash harness in my truck, from the bulkhead to the fuse box and everything in between. Not a whole lot going on in that thing with creature comforts etc., so the harness is pretty bare bones. All of it together I'm guessing had to have weighed somewhere between 5-10 lbs? Not sure. But yeah, like you said, with more accessories and options it'll add up. I think guys will take out the accessories and what not but probably tend to leave the harness in. In contrast, the wiring harnesses in modern cars dwarf what's in our '60s-'70s iron so be glad we're not dealing with it on such a huge scale. Real-world cost aside, my next project will likely have an aftermarket harness. It's not worth the time and effort in dealing with old, corroded and bent terminals, cracked insulation and old tape adhesive. Plus, you don't add what you don't need so there's no excess baggage to deal with.
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