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Re: Billet Main Cap Question, Part 2 [Re: Moparguy383] #2051392
04/10/16 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted By Moparguy383
Yes I have tried all of the caps. Yes I am putting them back in the right spot, not only are the numbered but I also took pictures of it when it came back from the machine shop.

To get the measurement down inside the block, I used all thread and some long nuts. All thread about an inch shorter than I needed. Backed the nuts off the all thread until it was tight (not crazy tight) going in and out of the block. Locked the nuts with secondary nuts. Took it out and measured it. I know it might be off a little, but certainly not .020 of an inch


A micrometer works on the same principle, but there is a difference in precision.

I don't know if you have said how you tried to install the caps, pulling them on with bolts or if you were just using hand pressure which will not work unless they are too loose.

As others have said, if there was actually a .02" thousandths difference there is no way they would go on the block without a tremendous amount of force, that's a huge press fit. If one were to somehow use enough force to get them on, substantial damage would be inevitable, might even split the main bores.

If the caps were actually installed at the machine shop there will be marks on the cap register surfaces and if they were honed on your block there will be honing marks that match between the caps and the block. Each one will have a slightly unique pattern and with a good eye and careful inspection many people could easily tell if the caps matched the block and even know which cap goes where, even without stamped numbers.

Assuming the caps were properly installed before, it's just a matter of using enough force to pull them on with the bolts or studs. Alternate back and forth to keep them reasonably even.

It is possible to ding up the registering surfaces with improper installation techniques, which could increase the pressure required substantially. So it's not a bad idea to closely inspect the mating surfaces for any damage and dress the high spots if needed.



Re: Billet Main Cap Question, Part 2 [Re: pittsburghracer] #2051527
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I use my telescoping gauges alot for a measurement like that and then just mike the telescoping gauge. Ron



An honestly that not good enough for what he is doing. I use inside Mics and they are always calibrated with my outside Mics that are calibrated with my standards


It depends on where I use them as you have to have a feel for them. I dont use them all the time but at times they work good and give very accurate readings. I know without a reading right on them like an inside mike has can cause some not to trust them. And the tool you measure them with has to be accurate. I have used them alot with good readings. But I dont use them all the time as at times I agree with you and prefer a tool with a gauge right on it. Ron

Re: Billet Main Cap Question, Part 2 [Re: Moparguy383] #2051863
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Everyone look at the picture in the first post. The edge of the cap looks to have a bulge in it, not the flat surface it should have. If that's real, the block and caps need to be taken to a different shop........

Re: Billet Main Cap Question, Part 2 [Re: deaks] #2051870
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Originally Posted By deaks
Watch what this guy does at 4 mins into this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3r3wRBoXkk


he did all that stuff BEFORE he linehoned it , not after ...

But then again it's a SBC rolleyes


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Re: Billet Main Cap Question, Part 2 [Re: varunner] #2051979
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Originally Posted By varunner
Everyone look at the picture in the first post. The edge of the cap looks to have a bulge in it, not the flat surface it should have. If that's real, the block and caps need to be taken to a different shop........

Really?
That's the register on the cap.

Re: Billet Main Cap Question, Part 2 [Re: Moparguy383] #2052115
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Were they machined with bolts or studs installed?
If they had bolts and changing to studs, the thicker stud might cause a slight alignment issue and the holes in the caps may need to be enlarged to compensate?

Re: Billet Main Cap Question, Part 2 [Re: 451Mopar] #2052130
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Originally Posted By 451Mopar
Were they machined with bolts or studs installed?
If they had bolts and changing to studs, the thicker stud might cause a slight alignment issue and the holes in the caps may need to be enlarged to compensate?


Great post

Re: Billet Main Cap Question, Part 2 [Re: FastmOp] #2052441
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They were machined with the studs installed.

I am going to borrow the proper measuring tools and recheck my figures before I call the machine shop or 440source.

Re: Billet Main Cap Question, Part 2 [Re: Moparguy383] #2052609
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Originally Posted By Moparguy383
They were machined with the studs installed.

I am going to borrow the proper measuring tools and recheck my figures before I call the machine shop or 440source.

yet your pic shows you trying to install the caps without the studs installed ? that's why i recommended making alignment dowels to help keep the cap square. i didn't know you are using studs. are the cap holes reamed to fit the studs being used ? too many things going on here including not being able to accurately measure anything to make suggestions to solve the problem. not trying to offend, but to understand better.
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Re: Billet Main Cap Question, Part 2 [Re: Moparguy383] #2052712
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Originally Posted By Moparguy383
They were machined with the studs installed.

I am going to borrow the proper measuring tools and recheck my figures before I call the machine shop or 440source.


Call the machine shop!

'source isn't going to be able to tell you anything that is going to help ...

They already told you to hit them on a belt sander


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