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Re: 2 Speed wiper motor restoration ? [Re: Stanton] #2037059
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This is a load of crap. People in the resto business buy up cores for parts to ensure that the unit they ship out is "as new" or "factory fresh". If you're shipping anything short of this you're not a serious player. Could you just imagine sending a busted up heater box to a restorer and getting back the same piece of junk only its nice and clean or they haven't repaired or replaced the leaky core !!! Doesn't happen. Clean up your act or get outta Dodge !! And by the way ... your products should be priced accordingly. One price - one level of quality ... "factory fresh".


I have no dog in this fight, but I thought this required some comment. Restorers do look for cores, all the time, decent cores, which are getting harder and harder to find. We do this for instances where a persons component is pitted or borderline unrestorable. Those instances where the time it would take to get it to acceptable standards outweighs the cost of the restoration. However, we don't, or I don't, willy nilly substitute my good inventory for a bad core. You can't stay in business doing that. I try to explain to my customers that I can't just substitute my good core components to put out a great motor for them and keep the crappy pitted stuff for my next customer, that's unfair. If I give my good core components which I've spent my time and money to find to everyone that has cores that are extremely pitted what do I end up with? Crappy unrestorable inventory. I'll offer it as a substitute at a reasonable price and more often than not I'm glad to have it on my shelves for an instance like a motor that's been in a fire where there's nothing left to restore and I don't have to send my customer hunting the internet or forums or bone yards for another core. But I do have to ask that customer to cover my cost of the core. My time spent attempting to locate and obtain cores is my living. As much as I hate to say it, the old addage "time is money", is truth.

You simply would not believe what comes through a restoration shop as a core someone wants restored. I have cores I can't get into, cores that the screws break off when you attempt to remove them, ruins a housing when that happens and now who replaces that housing? I sometimes spend several hours total attempting to break down a core to save it for my customer. That's several hours I could've been doing something far more productive. It throws a restorer off a time line, puts them behind on their other work and eats up precious time and materials.

I've seen Jerry's work for years and believe me, what was posted here is NOT his "norm". He's probably one of the most anal people I know on his components. That being said, I try not to judge someone's restoration career on one component I've seen posted. We all have off days and we all have those instances where a person is insistent that their pitted core comes back like the day it was new. We're restorers, not miracle workers. While that particular core could've looked better and I wasn't privvy to the communication between the OP and Jerry prior to or after that particular restoration, perhaps there was a miscommunication between the two and "acceptable standards" is a relative term. To one it means one thing, to another it means something else. It appears photos of the finished motor were sent via email. Was there nothing said about the condition prior to shipping? I'm asking because I don't know.

Moral of the post? Don't expect your restorer to replace the crap core you picked up on ebay that someone said was restorable with their good core components without question and without reimbursement for their time and effort. That's just not realistic.

Re: 2 Speed wiper motor restoration ? [Re: THESHAKERPROJECT] #2037138
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From: Jerry Schmit [mailto:concourscreations2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 12:57 PM
To: Stephen
Subject: RE: Wiper Motor

You motor had light rust pitting which I can't do anything for but if you find a core that is up to your standards I will be glad to do that one and take the other one as a core.
Thanks
Jerry

Ok, I see....so far I'm guilty of informing you that your core was a pos too....do I have that right?

Re: 2 Speed wiper motor restoration ? [Re: THESHAKERPROJECT] #2037144
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I will add this to the mix as well. Communication from both parties when doing business is a MUST! Explain what your goals or level of restoration are when having work done. With that said people in Business should also take a little time to call and say this or that during the process if there are questions that come up.
Also don't say upfront that it will take 3-4 week to do the work when you know it will take 3-4 months. If it is going to take 6 months to do say 6 months. If and when stuff comes up and I know it does and will take 5 minutes to call or email and explain the situation at hand. Poor communication makes for poor results in most cases.
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Re: 2 Speed wiper motor restoration ? [Re: a440plus6] #2037169
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Originally Posted By a440plus6

From: Jerry Schmit [mailto:concourscreations2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 12:57 PM
To: Stephen
Subject: RE: Wiper Motor

You motor had light rust pitting which I can't do anything for but if you find a core that is up to your standards I will be glad to do that one and take the other one as a core.
Thanks
Jerry

Ok, I see....so far I'm guilty of informing you that your core was a pos too....do I have that right?


That was AFTER you shipped it to me and I contacted you. AS I stated "I wish you had explained your procedure or at least notified me when you received the motor because I was expecting a “concourse” restoration. I know you’re not in the auto body field but it should have been fill primed and sanded before final paint."

I was able to get a decent paint job on there so what's your excuse? When I stripped the paint it looked like you just sprayed over the finish without any sanding or priming. You also cracked the connector when you tightened it and instead of replacing it you super glued it together. And when I took the motor apart to repaint I also noticed that you didn't machine the brush area of the stator. So for $245 I got 3 bushings and new brushes. As you said in the email the quality of the wiper motor was within "acceptable standards" for you.

I will let the pictures of your finished product speak for themselves.


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Re: 2 Speed wiper motor restoration ? [Re: THESHAKERPROJECT] #2037276
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Everytime I send something out to be restored, I take a LOT of pictures. Reason is just to make sure I get my original parts back but the part numbers, date codes, condition, etc is the same. On the restorers end, I'd want him/her to do the same when it is received. Then discuss and mutually agree what is to be done. Restorers should take pictures of the final product before being shipped back to the owner. Any questions or discrepancies on either end can be ironed out then. Like mattsMopars said COMMUNICATION is key. I don't know if it was done in this case, probably not enough, just saying.

BTW- The first pictures posted of the motor, unacceptable to me. No, not trying to bash anyone

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Originally Posted By FJR doc
I restored my 2 speed motor myself. It wasn't very hard to do, but I did need to fill pits with a high build primer. I separated the motor from the gear section and had a local electric motor repair business check out the motor. The motor and gear section were reassembled with pop rivets and then I filled the centers in to make them look like a solid rivet. It can be difficult to track down the original rubber mounting isolators. The rebuild process is easy.



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Re: 2 Speed wiper motor restoration ? [Re: RSNOMO] #2037469
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I had Jerry do my 3-spd wiper motor many moons ago and it was flawless......


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Re: 2 Speed wiper motor restoration ? [Re: 71rm23] #2037688
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Originally Posted By 71rm23
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BTW- The first pictures posted of the motor, unacceptable to me. No, not trying to bash anyone

Unacceptable to me also but that was all the cheap a** wanted to pay for so I let it fly.
I offered to replace his case for $50.00 which is way less than prime and fill cost but he wanted me to give it to him free.

Re: 2 Speed wiper motor restoration ? [Re: steve70] #2037695
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Originally Posted By steve70

when I took the motor apart to repaint I also noticed that you didn't machine the brush area of the stator. So for $245 I got 3 bushings and new brushes. As you said in the email the quality of the wiper motor was within "acceptable standards" for you.

1-Dude, it's called a commutator and apparently you know nothing about DC motors.
A Mopar 2 speed motor has no stator.
2-All you got was 3 bushings for MY OLD PRICE?
Where did the new ballast resistor and bracket come from?
What about the the firewall to motor seal?
Where did the new mounting hardware come from?
I guess the new ground strap just magically appeared also.
Did you split the case to see what's inside?
If your switch was cracked when you got it it was cracked when I got it.
Please post a pic of this terrible crack.

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Does anyone know of a "HOW TO" link to restore the wiper motor?

Re: 2 Speed wiper motor restoration ? [Re: a440plus6] #2037720
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Originally Posted By a440plus6
Originally Posted By 71rm23
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BTW- The first pictures posted of the motor, unacceptable to me. No, not trying to bash anyone

Unacceptable to me also but that was all the cheap a** wanted to pay for so I let it fly.
I offered to replace his case for $50.00 which is way less than prime and fill cost but he wanted me to give it to him free.


You never offered to replace anything for $50. You said I could send it back to you and you would charge me time + material to repaint or I could find a different core to restore. I had already paid you $250+shipping for a restoration that you said would look better than new.I was not willing to let you give it another "try".

You never contacted me to say there was an issue before you shipped and once I contacted you after I received it you said "It was within acceptable standards according to just about all that come thru here. If they are excessively pitted instead of mildly I do contact the customer to let them know that it will not look good. Yours was of average quality of what comes thru here."


We can go round and round with this but you shouldn't be upset because you got your money and I lost. At least now other members can make up their own minds on how you conduct your business and a few pictures of what you consider acceptable quality.

Have a nice day.


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Why is this thread you started in the A12 forum?
No A12 ever came with a 2 speed wiper motor.

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Originally Posted By a440plus6
Why is this thread you started in the A12 forum?
No A12 ever came with a 2 speed wiper motor.


It is for general restoration questions as well. Moparts Restoration and A12 Forum

Re: 2 Speed wiper motor restoration ? [Re: ns1aar] #2037767
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Originally Posted By ns1aar
Originally Posted By steve70
Originally Posted By THESHAKERPROJECT
Does anyone do the 2 Speed wiper motor restorations anymore ?


You can contact Bruce Somer here http://www.ns1aar.com/home.html


or somerbr1 at aol.com


Bruce has done several 2 and 3 speed motors for me. Easy to work with for sure.

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I sent a 3 speed wiper from the 67 cuda I have been working on to Kim and she didn't have the early cans for this wiper but sent it over to Jerry who had it and restored it for me. I was just as impressed with that one as I was with the 69 3 speed she did for another car.


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Why is this thread you started in the A12 forum?
No A12 ever came with a 2 speed wiper motor.


Now the guy's a forum nazi !!

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Originally Posted By Stanton
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Why is this thread you started in the A12 forum?
No A12 ever came with a 2 speed wiper motor.


Now the guy's a forum nazi !!

Dude, you have a dog in this?
You're just one of Jules old butt buddies...
You gonna come at me too.
I am under no illusions why this thread was started in the A12 forum....cause it's a tribute forum to Jules.
You morons were so transparent when he was alive and still are.

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It was the same forum before he died !!

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Personally, I think this is a done subject. Time to stick a fork in it now. I don't think badgering each other about this needs to go on this forum

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Originally Posted By a440plus6
Originally Posted By Stanton
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Why is this thread you started in the A12 forum?
No A12 ever came with a 2 speed wiper motor.


Now the guy's a forum nazi !!

Dude, you have a dog in this?
You're just one of Jules old butt buddies...
You gonna come at me too.
I am under no illusions why this thread was started in the A12 forum....cause it's a tribute forum to Jules.
You morons were so transparent when he was alive and still are.


jerry

while I like your work you did for me and understand your frustrations IMO the way you are going about it is doing your business no good. Time to back off and cool off then reply with a level head. it will only help you rather than hurt. just vmy .02

good luck
corey


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