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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #1999628
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Like I said I can't see from that side, For sure the front end falls close to the same time I hear the rpm go flat. Could be a combination of things. We had some success this year tightening the comp 3 ways as tight as they would go on a buddy's car. Though it was a totally different combo. How about the 4 link settings? I/C and bar spread at the housing? Doesn't look like it hits the tire all that hard. It might like more tire load and lower weight transfer. As far as 4 link adjustments I'm no expert. What I do know is there is more to it than just I/C.
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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: Thumperdart] #1999718
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Originally Posted By Thumperdart

Are those screens on your carbs or those Edelbrock air filters.......hard to tell........


Thumper,

They are the old style sort of heart shaped air cleaners without filters. Also located under the air cleaner cover, I have some fine screens as an additional layer. No close up pics here at the office, but here are a couple of underhood pics.

Problem with mine is I am using an old Eddy STR cross ram intake. It is modified to make the carbs into an inline setup, but they are too close together for most filters. Setting these up back to back with some small mods, plus the additional screen inside gives me protection from debris, but it is still not as good as a regular filter. The extra screens underneath are fine veggie strainers with the handles cut of LOL.

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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: dvw] #1999719
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Thanks again for all the replies. Looks like I will probably drop down in tire size, and start shopping for new front shocks.

-Dave


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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #1999743
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Before you start throwing money at it I would move the bars up to get them out of the way, up high enough to keep it safe, sort out the bog off the hit and spend some time at a tnt playing with the front end settings loosing the shocks and playing with the limiters and see how it does, I bet you will find the sweet spot. The car looks like it is fairly close just hard to tell with the bog going on. To many people throw money at the problems and never really figure out the solutions, there are a lot of guys out there with those shocks and are running very good. A couple nights with the camera at tnt with the focus on the hit and I bet find the problem. Good luck.

Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #1999759
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Thanks Sky,

Just found an e-mail from 2007 and it looks like my slicks were purchased back in May or June of 2007! Time to change them, even though they only have 52 passes. I just don't trust them... So the slicks are getting chaged out for sure.

Still working on other upgrades as well. For us the racing season is just around the corner, and our local tracks appear to still be open with the exception of rain days...... Hope to get some TNT and video before the SHRA season kicks off again.

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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #1999779
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Originally Posted By GTSDave
Originally Posted By Thumperdart

Are those screens on your carbs or those Edelbrock air filters.......hard to tell........


Thumper,

They are the old style sort of heart shaped air cleaners without filters. Also located under the air cleaner cover, I have some fine screens as an additional layer. No close up pics here at the office, but here are a couple of underhood pics.

Problem with mine is I am using an old Eddy STR cross ram intake. It is modified to make the carbs into an inline setup, but they are too close together for most filters. Setting these up back to back with some small mods, plus the additional screen inside gives me protection from debris, but it is still not as good as a regular filter. The extra screens underneath are fine veggie strainers with the handles cut of LOL.

-Dave







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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #1999850
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Thumper,

Not trying to discount your advice and will keep it in mind.

Not sure you can see it in the pics, but there is no filter media/foam in them, just a secondary screen to keep rocks and tire bits out of the engine. Some tracks we run at have a short ramp up area and there are times when I get pelted with debris from cars in front of me in the burnout box. I have run with and without them and they made no difference whatsoever. Carb spacing is too close together to run anything off the shelf.

The video above was showing one of the passes after I started having trouble with a vacuum leak at a race. Jetted up some to keep going as the rounds were getting short. Made it to the finals that night at close to 2am on a greasy track only to red light at the big show LOL. But thats racing.

My 60' times were way off even before the bog and I believe it was a traction issue.

Looked through my log book and the fastest pass so far was 10.22/138.29 Terrible 60' with a big top end charge. Blew the tires off. So far the quickest pass was a 9.952/137.79 same track but a different race. Both were in St. Louis.

The only thing changed in my combo between those runs and the one in the video was an up size in the jetting because of the vacuum leak. You should have seen the pass before that one where it REALLY bogged! I have it on video somewhere. Will look for it.

-Dave


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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #1999890
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For what its worth, I've run those air filters on my blown small block street car (11.0@123). I also built a air filter base and top to run a 4"tall K&N. The triangle style with or w/o the foam and the K&N all run with in .05 of each other.
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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #1999892
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For what its worth, I've run those air filters on my blown small block street car (11.0@123). I also built a air filter base and top to run a 4"tall K&N. The triangle style with or w/o the foam and the K&N all run with in .05 of each other. Also for what it's worth my 1st pair of 10.5wx31M/T were 5 years old before I ever used them. 150 passes 60ft was still with in .05 best to worst at the end 2 years later.
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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #1999924
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dvw hit it earlier in the thread. Tighten up those front shocks. No, they are not ideal but will work. You will move the lift of the front down track a few feet and not as violent. It worked on my car for several years running 10.00 . I went to AFCO fronts and they are night and day better.
I also run a 10.5x29.5 W tire and have for years. It is plenty of tire for your combo. It worked great for me at 10.00 and even better with mine backed up to NSS/B

Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #1999928
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With a stick you need double adjustable up front. Even if it is a Viking or QA1's. There is no way I would just tighten up the shock on bump and rebound.

It looks like you may have a bit too much travel up front too. I can't see the video.


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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #2000001
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Very Nice Car up drive

I haven't used tires the same tires but used MT29.5 x 10.5 stiff sidewall and Hoosier 29.0 x 10.5W (also stiff sidewall). Last year at the hot rod reunion (New England) I decided to put new hoosiers on since the MT had about 150 passes. My 60' times were way off. I also tried launching at 5500 and could not get better than 1.45 60'. So on the 2nd day I put the old MTs back on and the 60' dropped to 1.41. I tried it again at Lebanon Valley and saw the same thing. So just went back to the old MTs. Then dropped the launch to 4500 and the 60' dropped down to 1.34

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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #2000265
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I run close to your times, 10.30 at 130 . I just have stock Monro shocks up front, got tired of changing oil pans. Launches with the wheels up as pictured , shift before the 60 foot. 60 ft times are 1.47 . Launch at 4,700 shift at 6,800 3.25 low gear, 4.56 rear with 11.5 29.5 W Hoosiers. Low compression 505 pump gas engine.


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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #2000600
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On THIS car, with THIS combo...........you can adjust things until the cows come home and NONE of it is going to matter. GET SOME GOOD FRONT SHOCKS.

On the tire thing..........if that is a the size you want, the M/T has no equal

Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #2000631
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Ok,

I will be ordering new slicks within the next couple of days. Just dont trust these because they are so old. I will order the M/T.

Monty, your point on the shocks is well taken and several people off the board have told me the same thing.

So which shocks to you all recommend.

-Dave


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Re: MT 33x10.5w vs Hoosier 33x10.5w for a 4-Speed NSS car. [Re: GTSDave] #2000652
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A GOOD double adjustable front shock. Strange, Afco, Santhuff, or similar. Best shock you are willing to pay for

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