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Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? #1995206
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I have read in some dyno tests where solid lifters have been used on hydraulic cams but at the same time, I have never understood what makes each style unique? Aside from the inner function, is the taper much different?

Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: Jjs72D] #1995215
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The only reasons I can think of are solid cams generally have higher lifts and shorter durations making the ramps a too harsh for a hydraulic to handle ... as well there's the increased valvespring pressure which will fight the hydraulic system.

Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: Stanton] #1995222
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This topic may take a lot of popcorn


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Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: Jjs72D] #1995253
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This topic comes up on Speedtalk, it's because hydraulic cams don't have "lash ramps". What those exactly are I don't know, but I'm guessing the initial ramp of the lobe may be milder than a hydraulic to take up the lash smoothly so it doesn't slam closed the clearance, but that's a total guess.

Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: Jjs72D] #1995284
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I know a very successful SCCA engine builder that uses solid lifters on hydraulic lifter camshafts in some of his spec. class motors, he set the lash at .0010 to no more than .0030 hot work shruggy


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Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: Jjs72D] #1995364
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I would ask why? the wiping out of the cam is probably more so than breaking in a solid lifter cam. so why take the chance, similar grinds are available and most hydraulic/lifter cams today can hang right with a solid.


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Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: Jjs72D] #1995368
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I understand one can do it but because the hyd cam profile is designed for zero lash and solids need some amount of lash the duration is changed. iirc, peak torque and hp move down in the rpm range. Conversely, if a hyd cam is used on a solid lifter cam the peak tq/hp moves up the chart
rowing4 is on the mark, there are so many grinds available to put the curve wherever one desires. also if high hp/rpm is in order I think solid is still the best bet.

Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: srt] #1995399
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This doesn't sound like an experiment that's worth trying.

Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1995432
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I have heard it done before by others, never talked to someone personally who done it. With a hydraulic cam, I don't think the solid lifters don't really gain you anything. Solids tend to have more aggressive lobes to take advantage of the solid lifter design.

Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: Jjs72D] #1995449
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You can. I have done it successfully over the years. Keep a tight valve lash, no more that .006" hot lash. Makes things tough on a aluminum head project. But for me it has extended the rpm range of the camshaft. Have the dyno tests in a folder around here somewhere.

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Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: Jjs72D] #1995477
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I'm sure the Stock Eliminator guys have it figured out


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Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: dart4forte] #1995516
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Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: TooMany62s] #1995521
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Originally Posted By TooMany62s
This doesn't sound like an experiment that's worth trying.

In 1973 I did just that. I had a rebuilt 383 and put adjustable rockers with solid lifters on the stock hyd. cam. It ran fine and stayed that way(months) until I screwed up and didn't drain all the water out of the block for the winter.

Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: 52savoy] #1995727
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the hyd cam lobe has sideways slant to it so it rotates the lifter so they don't wear out, you can use solid but they do not seat flat on lobe


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Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: Stanton] #1995751
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Originally Posted By Stanton
The only reasons I can think of are solid cams generally have higher lifts and shorter durations making the ramps a too harsh for a hydraulic to handle ... as well there's the increased valvespring pressure which will fight the hydraulic system.


He is asking about a solid lifter on a hyd cam so the ramp issue you talk about is a non issue, I agree with your spring theroy but that only requires the springs be changed ,

Comp sells/used to sell a set of hyd lifters that come with an instruction sheet telling the user to run .002 lash, I have a set.

Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: 440lebaron] #1995753
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Originally Posted By 440lebaron
the hyd cam lobe has sideways slant to it so it rotates the lifter so they don't wear out, you can use solid but they do not seat flat on lobe


Solids have to rotate also .


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Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: 440lebaron] #1995810
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Originally Posted By 440lebaron
the hyd cam lobe has sideways slant to it so it rotates the lifter so they don't wear out, you can use solid but they do not seat flat on lobe

Solid and hydraulic cams both have an angle ground into the cam face along with a slight dome on the lifter face to keep the lifter rotating. If the lifter stops rotating it is instant disaster.


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Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: MoparforLife] #1995871
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And the angle is the same for both except the original Six Pack cam which had a smaller taper.

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Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: Jjs72D] #1995882
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There's always Schubec lifters


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Re: Why can't you use solid lifters with a hydraulic cam? [Re: Jjs72D] #1996118
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Lol..alot of bad info on this thread....


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