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Brazing cast iron #1935129
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I have a set of fully ported 452 heads and they were epoxied on the side of the ports. One of the pieces of epoxy was loose so I carefully ground it off. Would it be better to braze these shut or re epoxy them?

Re: Brazing cast iron [Re: twayne24365] #1935132
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ONLY if you know how to braze cast iron, you could make scrap out of them fast.


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Re: Brazing cast iron [Re: twayne24365] #1935161
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There is a tig rod out, that doesn't require a preheat and is supposed to work really well. I'll see if I can find the name of the filler material.


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Re: Brazing cast iron [Re: DemonDust] #1935172
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Originally Posted By R5P7Duster
There is a tig rod out, that doesn't require a preheat and is supposed to work really well. I'll see if I can find the name of the filler material.

Silicon/bronze. I would still suggest preheat but it works very well.
Doug

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You can use silicon bronze, but I'd use EZ Weld tig filler rod.

You can buy it here

EZ Weld tig wire


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Re: Brazing cast iron [Re: twayne24365] #1935202
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That ez tig filler seems interesting, I'd assume it's better than just the flux coated brass rods?

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Well the flux coated brass rods are only for oxy/acety welding.

I'd much rather use a gas lens, with a 12 pyrex cup. That way you can get the tungsten in the port, be able to see, and have plenty gas coverage.


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Re: Brazing cast iron [Re: twayne24365] #1935209
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Great setup for tight places.




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So that rod has to be used in conjunction with a tig welder? Good thing I know someone that has one

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Yes it's for tig welding. Without shielding gas it's not going to work properly.


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Ok, well thanks! That gives me some hope, I hate to see these ol heads go to waste, someone definitely put some money into the porting, pushrod area has been tubed as well, I just don't trust the epoxy, especially if I go e85

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Regular er70s you could use with a torch, but with a custom blend, I'd ask the manufacturer.


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Well for 27 bucks that ez wire may just be worth a try

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I vote for the epoxy. Splash zone seems to work for most... I would not weld them. Too many successful applications of epoxy in heads to chance welding it up...

Re: Brazing cast iron [Re: twayne24365] #1935243
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I Had a crack in the bowl in one of my well ported 452 heads. I took it to an a very good old guy at the welding shop to try and braze it. He could not get it to seal up. On a side note, If you can't get it fixed I have a ported 452 I would sell cheap. grin


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If all you want to do is fill a void then epoxy is a safe method. If you need to repair a crack then it has to be welded. Brazing doesn't cut it. In "the old days" you would arc weld it with ni-rod. I know nothing about tigging cast iron but if I were doing it I'd want to pre-heat the whole head. Bob Glidden used to use a pizza oven. I think a good size gas bar-b-que would work just fine.







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