Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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This whole thread is nutz. Guys saying they can build 900 with w8-w9's all day long, really. I don't know if you guys pay attention but many of these dyno champs do not even run 150 in a 3000 lb car on good days. A 900 HP build should trip 150 in the worst air. On a good day should run close to 158. If it doesn't either you have a car problem or a dyno operated that is doing something wrong. If same guy built it and took your money he needs a bruised eye.
If you know where the deals are and have some luck you could build for $10k. I did it once with my 457cid in 2000 with 100% American parts. Shops wanted $35,000 to $60,000. what dyno numbers are you talking about I did not see anybody post dyno numbers or mph numbers that were not reasonable. incredible you did it for 10gs that is completely believable using quality used parts recently there was a Patterson motor for sale 14 grand made over 900. I don't think any two people will pay the same price what someone can do for 25 somebody else might be able to do 20 or 40. I think with a p7 it could be done cheaper with used parts there are tons available....
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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I paid 2400 for machine work done on a virgin block from Charlie Westin cam tunnel 60 mm w berrings,lifter bores bushed,bored,honed,decked. Holy shishkabob 9600 for block work on a 600 dollar block. And Charlie is the Man , I wonder if he still dose machine work on Pro-Stock engines?
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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The R3 W8 380" motor in my Valiant made just over 900 on 2 different dyno's. At 3080# I ran best of 8.67 at the Dutch Classic this past weekend. The new parts and machine work cost about $35k if you assemble yourself. Sorry, I simply don't believe it makes that much. AndyF.........the only reason I mentioned an inline head was the price range some were throwing around, an inline was the only thing to be in the neighborhood on cost. If you are not used to building high HP motors and you know the motor that you have that makes 700hp costs X amount of dollars......it is hard for most to fathom that 200 more hp will likely triple the budget at least. I mean......it's ONLY 200hp more.........right, how tough can that be.......LOL!!! I didn't bring Comp motors, Aussie Pro-Stock and that type stuff into the conversation, because that stuff is in another world Here is what I said for those that missed it...........and several of the posts were directed at Ray or others directly.........as the thread had drifted from the original question, which indeed had NO restrictions on combination...........If some of the commenters had indeed read EVERY post, they would have known exactly what I was trying to say............but that is not how it works around here. Read ONE post and get in where you feel you can take a shot at somebody is how it works here.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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1 1990 FSS/D David Barton, Robesonia PA, '15 Challenger 8.689 9.90 -1.211 2 107 SS/AS Wes Leopold, Bethel Park PA, '05 Stratus 8.404 9.60 -1.196 Two n/a small blocks right there with a lot of restrictions. I'm not sure what the weight on the Challenger is but it can't be below 3400lbs. Just here to
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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You don't believe it because you don't know how to do it. I know what I have and the et is the proof. It can all be verified. My car is well documented. Rich 99% of these guys are clueless when it comes to class racing save your breath and the grief.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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I KNOW what Leopolds engine made. Was just involved in the sale of another AS car that was that came with 3 engines. The best of which was about 30HP behind Leopolds P5 deal. Yes I said P5, as that is what Leopold runs. His old W8 stuff was good too and now resides out west here as well. That is NOT a cheap motor at all and IMO not sure why or how a P5 is allowed in SS, just saying....
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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The R3 W8 380" motor in my Valiant made just over 900 on 2 different dyno's. At 3080# I ran best of 8.67 at the Dutch Classic this past weekend. The new parts and machine work cost about $35k if you assemble yourself. Sorry, I simply don't believe it makes that much. AndyF.........the only reason I mentioned an inline head was the price range some were throwing around, an inline was the only thing to be in the neighborhood on cost. If you are not used to building high HP motors and you know the motor that you have that makes 700hp costs X amount of dollars......it is hard for most to fathom that 200 more hp will likely triple the budget at least. I mean......it's ONLY 200hp more.........right, how tough can that be.......LOL!!! I didn't bring Comp motors, Aussie Pro-Stock and that type stuff into the conversation, because that stuff is in another world Here is what I said for those that missed it...........and several of the posts were directed at Ray or others directly.........as the thread had drifted from the original question, which indeed had NO restrictions on combination...........If some of the commenters had indeed read EVERY post, they would have known exactly what I was trying to say............but that is not how it works around here. Read ONE post and get in where you feel you can take a shot at somebody is how it works here. Exactly, that's why I don't post as much as I used to, and pretty much stay out of these conversations.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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Looks to me like the question has been answered. Somewhere between $10k and $60k, depending on how you want to go about it.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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You don't believe it because you don't know how to do it. I know what I have and the et is the proof. It can all be verified. My car is well documented. Is this Richard Kay, if so, been a fan for a long time. Love your SS/BM Valiant.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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I KNOW what Leopolds engine made. Was just involved in the sale of another AS car that was that came with 3 engines. The best of which was about 30HP behind Leopolds P5 deal. Yes I said P5, as that is what Leopold runs. His old W8 stuff was good too and now resides out west here as well. That is NOT a cheap motor at all and IMO not sure why or how a P5 is allowed in SS, just saying.... OEM Mopar part numbers make it legal and given the options that are available to run those modified classes, the guys doing it are lucky to have the P5 head as an option.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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If you read the internet and listen to guys at the track...........there is a swinging dick on EVERY street corner with an inline valve, wedge smallblock, that makes over 900HP. I have been doing this stuff for a LONG time and have NEVER seen one, be it a Ford, Mopar or Chevy. As I said, you can do it with some canted valve stuff, but it's still not REAL easy and will be at a min of 40K if you do it with all new stuff.
I have done several 434ish Chevys and Fords, with the BEST 15-18* heads you can buy. A good one will make between 840 and 880, depending on cam, compression, rotating weight, etc. I have yet to see a Mopar head that was BETTER than the best off brand, so I am going to say it can't even realistically be done with an inline head........regardless to what some dyno sheets may say to the contrary monte it can and has been done with the w8 stuff , my 390 was 920hp,ran 8.30@ 163.00 2850#, my uncle has a rwr 393 w8 that is 940hp 8.50's high 150mph @ 3100#, my avenger has a 300" w8 that is 705 I have run 9.05 @149.00 @ 3000# . all 13 degree head engines. NA in super stock cars. not one of these engines were under 40K . a few guys are selling p5 heads that are not cracked or leaking for 12 to 15 K. incase anyone is interested my 300" r3 w8 engine is for sale carbs to pan $15,000.00 . or the entire car for $45,000.00
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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You don't believe it because you don't know how to do it. I know what I have and the et is the proof. It can all be verified. My car is well documented. Is this Richard Kay, if so, been a fan for a long time. Love your SS/BM Valiant. Yes I am Richard Kay and thanks for the kind words. My 69 Valiant is built according to Super Stock rules and all the restrictions that go with it. I didn't mean to cause such a turmoil in this thread. I was trying to give a realistic answer to the op, which I did. If I put a longer stroke in that motor the hp would be more and if the car wasn't shaped like a brick the mph would be quite a bit higher. I have seen Datoyna's and Sebrings which are much more aerodynamic go much higher mph than my Valiant.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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shouldn't we be asking why you would want a 900hp N/A engine, instead of how much it would cost?
guess $4000 turbo guy has a friend..... I enjoy N/A combos. Pretty cool seeing what can be squeezed out of any said combo. Brian's engine was impressive. Brett's lil 66 Dart is cool stuff, and their are many more out there. I guess I took Monte's comment the same as Shiloh's.... cutting out comp and Aussie pro stock.... but prostock truck was ions ago. Stuffs been floating around for years, and the prices on some of the stuff, well.... quite doable. Hope some of the "lurkers" post up what they've done with what parts. Pretty small niche market for sure. I'll just sit on the porch and watch. I have some pretty cool pieces.... just set way milder that what most have done.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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off subject but.... Rich, good seeing you at the Dutch , how far did you go in eliminations? I know you won first round... and Jimi the AA/SA Belvidere is awesome, is that really the former BA car?
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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off subject but.... Rich, good seeing you at the Dutch , how far did you go in eliminations? I know you won first round... and Jimi the AA/SA Belvidere is awesome, is that really the former BA car? Good to see you too. I lost the third round with a .004 light when tire spin caused it to shift into second right off the line.
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