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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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70 GTX with a 440 and a 4 speed would have a Dana 60, it has the wrong rear. What is the 3 digit axle code on his broadcast sheet that thinks it's calling for an 8 3/4 ?
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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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I'm sure I've seen many original 440 4 speed cars with 8 3/4 with 3.23 open rear ends in them. The only way you can know if a car is "original" is to have had it in your possession from when it left the factory. Lots of Danas disappeared (stolen/purposely swapped) when the cars were near new. AMHIK
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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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I'm sure I've seen many original 440 4 speed cars with 8 3/4 with 3.23 open rear ends in them. I learned a long time ago to Never say Never(Mopar NEVER made that combination) when it comes to cars, especially our favorite Mopars  If he is lucky enough to have the original broadcast sheet it will have the code for the rear end and gear ratio  The only way you can know if a car is "original" is to have had it in your possession from when it left the factory. Spoken as truth... And even then, things 'happened' in the plants... NO guarantee the end result followed the build to the letter...
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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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There are many stories about the factory swapping parts because of parts shortages on the assembly line but I ain't gonna believe they ever made drastic swaps liked 8 3/4" in place of the Dana on a Hemi/440 4-speed car.
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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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Get a picture of the fender tag
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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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I had a 70 Coronet RT 440/4 speed with 3.23 8 3/4 original rear.....didn't you have to order the trac-pac or super trac-pak to get the dana?
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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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There are many stories about the factory swapping parts because of parts shortages on the assembly line but I ain't gonna believe they ever made drastic swaps liked 8 3/4" in place of the Dana on a Hemi/440 4-speed car. [quote=John_Kunkel] I agree 100%! I honestly can't stand the "Never say never" that gets thrown around all the time. If I ordered a 1970 GTX 4spd car brand new, you think I would accept an 8 3/4 rear end in place of the Dana 60 that should be there? That I paid for? Nobody would notice??? I don't think so...
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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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Cab has it right...
ANYTHING was possible...
We've talked to many different folks who were right there during the build...
From line workers, all the way up to 'management'... Ok, got it, if there was a shortage of Plymouth emblems on the line they just shipped the car with Dodge emblems. 
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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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Page 63...
August, 2015 Mopar Collector's Guide...
'Jim's '63 was built new at Chrysler's Windsor, Ontario plant, and true to its Canadian roots, the car was born with a very strange mixture of Dodge and Plymouth parts combined. While looking like every other Plymouth in most aspects, the dash, instrument panel, and interior are that of a Dodge B-body, not a Plymouth, and that's the way the car was built new.
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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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THE PROBLEM IS.....many many cars got ordered by the dealerships and people who came through the doors were not Mopar purists with a restoration mentality.
I was a car nut 14 year old in 1968 and when my Dad went into a showroom to buy a new car it could have had a 7 1/4 under it and we wouldn't have known the difference. Sure if you ordered it you would have (possibly) known, but most of us were so involved with what was under the hood (that engine! that chrome air cleaner!) that the underside of the car could go fish.
How many hard core drag racers were buying new cars in 1968? Some, for sure.
But the 98% majority of cars were bought by guys who either needed a new car or thought they did or traded every three years because that's what they always did. Some wanted a big car, some wanted a cheap car with a white roof so you wouldn't have to buy air conditioning. Some wanted a new car that'd go fast, like a lady I go to church with who drives an original 428 Mustang that she bought new because she wanted to have a sporty car that was fast. She wouldn't know what rear end is under the car and even if she did she wouldn't know what was supposed to be under there. My father-in-law liked to go fast so his car had a 440. That's all he needed to know. It went fast. The car before that was a 4-speed Barracuda, one of the fastbacks, but the family grew and he needed a larger car that suited his image and went fast. So he went to the Chrysler-Plymouth dealer and sat in a few and bought the one with the 440.
You don't have to believe it. I know how it was because I witnessed it. And the recollections of the guys who actually built the cars cannot be discounted, just because you cannot imagine it happening that way.
R. I don't agree. I' m talking about the youth of the day, (back then). The servicemen with their military pay that read car magazines, that the performance cars were built for. You didn't have to be a "professional racer", to buy a performance type car. 98% of the cars sold were NOT high performance cars. The family types bought wagons and four doors, some bought economical type cars. And the ones that read Hot Rod, Car Craft, High Performance Cars, got the comparisons from tests they did on all the models. And all the specs. There were no "Mopar purists" or "restoration mentality" , I don't even know what that was supposed to mean! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. Again, if I ordered a new 1970 GTX with a 4spd, Popular Hot Rodding probably mentioned that a Dana 60 should be under my car and I surely would look.
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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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Page 63...
August, 2015 Mopar Collector's Guide...
'Jim's '63 was built new at Chrysler's Windsor, Ontario plant, and true to its Canadian roots, the car was born with a very strange mixture of Dodge and Plymouth parts combined. While looking like every other Plymouth in most aspects, the dash, instrument panel, and interior are that of a Dodge B-body, not a Plymouth, and that's the way the car was built new. Yes, this is not new to anyone. Canadian built designed to sell to the Canadian market. NOT in the U.S. GM did the same, Beaumont and Arcadia come to mind, a mix of Chevy and Pontiac parts. And Plodges.
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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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PLODGE, this is for real, not because they ran out of parts. A mix of Plymouth and Dodge vehicles built in Canada.
Plodge, a portmanteau of the names Plymouth and Dodge, is a name informally used to refer to vehicles Chrysler Canada built with a mix of U.S. Plymouth and Dodge parts for the Canadian and export markets. This practice allowed dealers in Canada to offer a wider array of vehicles at lower development cost in the relatively small Canadian market.[citation needed] For example, a Plymouth with a Dodge grille and taillights became a Dodge without the expense of tooling a vehicle for the market. On the Dodge Dart introduced in 1960, only the interiors were shared; Canadian-market 1960-61 Darts had Plymouth dashboards. The 1965 to 1966 Dodge Monaco used a Dodge body, with a Plymouth Fury dashboard and interior trim.[citation needed] Not all Canadian-market Chrysler-built vehicles were badge engineered in this manner, however; The DeSoto Diplomat, for example—a rebadged Dodge Dart—was never sold in Canada, where DeSotos were similar to the US models. The Canadian 1960 DeSoto Adventurer looked like the American 1960 DeSoto but used the upholstery and door panels from the 1960 Chrysler Saratoga.[citation needed]
"Plodges" were also built in the United States for markets outside of North America. The first American-built export "Plodge" was built in the U.S. for the 1935 model year. Two years later, the American firm began building Plymouths with DeSoto-like grilles for export. The Canadian operation began building these export cars in 1939. Dodge Kingsways were sold not only in Canada but in export markets including Hawaii from 1946 to until 1959, when the territory became the 50th state.
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Re: Dana and /or 8 3/4
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Again, if I ordered a new 1970 GTX with a 4spd, Popular Hot Rodding probably mentioned that a Dana 60 should be under my car and I surely would look. And if the car was minus an axle-package, or came with A/C, that open 3:23 would'a been mighty disappointing...
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