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Electric fuel pump leaking from case - solution? #1826915
05/14/15 10:12 PM
05/14/15 10:12 PM
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Albany, NY
67SATisfaction Offline OP
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Hey,
I've got the car out in the driveway cuz it's dripping fuel (from a fresh full tank of gas, of course).

I can see it's dripping from the case of the electric fuel pump. It's a Chinese knock off of a Holley, a cylindrical can in the upright position.

I tried tightening every nut on the cover plate and screws on the end of the 'can' with no improvement. Is there any typical solution - other than assuming the main pump seals are shot and the fuel pump is now garbage?

I think I just answered my own question and I'm starting to siphon the tank empty now, but any experiences with this kind of failure is appreciated.

Thanks,
- Art

Here is the pump when I installed it two years ago…


Here it is being lifted up in place.


Here is the bottom where it is dripping from..


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Re: Electric fuel pump leaking from case - solution? [Re: 67SATisfaction] #1826920
05/14/15 10:21 PM
05/14/15 10:21 PM
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67SATisfaction Offline OP
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No siphoning tonight, I'm afraid.
All my spare fuel cans are already full and so are the other cars. Damn.

Anyone know what's behind the fuel pump's cover plate?
- Art


65 Satellite hardtop 361/4bbl console 727 2.76
67 Satellite convert 383/2bbl column 727 3.23
67 Lancia Fulvia Sport 1.3 Zagato. Alloy body, 1.3L V4 DOHC 4-spd
67 Lancia Fulvia Rallye 1.3. Alloy panel, 1.3L V4 DOHC 4-spd
71 Alfa Romeo GT Junior 1300 Zagato, 1.3L 4cyl DOHC hemi 5-spd
82 Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5L SOHC hemi V6 5-spd transaxle
75 Maserati Bora US spec 4.9L DOHC hemi V8 5-spd ZF
77 Maserati Khamsin Euro spec 4.9L DOHC hemi V8 5-spd ZF
07 Aston Martin DB9 6.0L DOHC V12 6spd transaxle
Re: Electric fuel pump leaking from case - solution? [Re: 67SATisfaction] #1826941
05/14/15 10:45 PM
05/14/15 10:45 PM
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BROOK PARK, OH
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Why siphon the tank? Just pinch the line off close to the pump.

Are you sure it's leaking from the plate on the bottom and not the fittings?

I've never opened one of those up but my guess is it will have either O rings to seal it which you could get at any hardware store or even HF or there is a gasket that is porbably not available.

If it is a gasket you could buy some gasket material and make your own. I just picked up a couple 6x6" sheets from Home Depot for different project but I bet if the one by you has it it would work great to seal that up.

Re: Electric fuel pump leaking from case - solution? [Re: 67SATisfaction] #1826961
05/14/15 11:12 PM
05/14/15 11:12 PM
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Dont' know if this will help at all but here's a look inside my Mallory comp 140 I just rebuilt. I was able to re-use my gasket and o-rings. Seems to be pumping again. Need to test to see how much pressure though. (b4 and after pics)

Yours is a bit different in design. The plate covering the pump head must be hiding some type of gerotor assembly. It may have a gasket or o-ring seal...or like mine it could have both. I agree with Bill. No need to drain the tank. Pinch the hose off with either some welders locking pliers (type with the flat metal tabs)...a couple small pieces of NON sharp iron stock and vice grips or some wood scraps and a c clamp.

Second on the leak possibly being at the fittings. ORR....It might be leaking down the threads of the bolts that hold the cover plate to the pump head.

I've used teflon tape in the past but it's not suitable for all locations and a piece tearing during re-assembly could end up in your carburetor. I used Rectorseal 5 recently on the regulator set screw in my Mallory pump as visible in the photo.

I spoke to the REP at rectorseal a few days ago and he said Type 5 is resistant to natural gas and gasoline and can be put into service right away after assembly. You can get a small yellow tube of Rectorseal 5 at home depot. Make sure its says 5 on it and not just the regular rectorseal.

I'd remove the brass fittings and use it to coat the threads. Watch out for any old teflon tape in case there's some there. If there is carefully pick it out of the threads so it doesn't go through the fuel system. Same for the pump head cover bolts. Don't take the cover off unless you have too because it might not be a leaky gasket and you don't want to damage it if you don't have to. Remove one bolt at a time, coat it lightly then gently snug it until you get all of em done then alternate tightening corner to corner but don't overtighten so you don't damage the gasket or warp the cover.

Worst case scenario...you end up wasting a little time and it turns out there is a bad pump gasket or o-ring but go the conservative route first.

Last thought. If you still have a leak after applying thread sealer and have eliminated a gasket or o-ring as the source...or have replaced them...inspect carefully for cracks in the pump assembly. It is Chinese made! (not much that isn't)

Good luck.


DSC00027 fuel pump disassembled websize.jpg
BEFORE

DSC00091 painted assembled pump websize.jpg
AFTER


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Re: Electric fuel pump leaking from case - solution? [Re: 67SATisfaction] #1827009
05/15/15 12:32 AM
05/15/15 12:32 AM
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Albany, NY
67SATisfaction Offline OP
The member whose name is actually Art
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Thanks guys,
I've got a pair of those welding-padded vice grips. I'll get the hose pinched off right away if I can get access in that mess. Must be breathing too many fumes under there not to think of that. Then I can pull the pump tomorrow and see if anything is rebuildable under that cover or what.
Cheers,
- Art


65 Satellite hardtop 361/4bbl console 727 2.76
67 Satellite convert 383/2bbl column 727 3.23
67 Lancia Fulvia Sport 1.3 Zagato. Alloy body, 1.3L V4 DOHC 4-spd
67 Lancia Fulvia Rallye 1.3. Alloy panel, 1.3L V4 DOHC 4-spd
71 Alfa Romeo GT Junior 1300 Zagato, 1.3L 4cyl DOHC hemi 5-spd
82 Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5L SOHC hemi V6 5-spd transaxle
75 Maserati Bora US spec 4.9L DOHC hemi V8 5-spd ZF
77 Maserati Khamsin Euro spec 4.9L DOHC hemi V8 5-spd ZF
07 Aston Martin DB9 6.0L DOHC V12 6spd transaxle






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