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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: 440Jim] #1757512
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My point is, that in a round about way, anybody could be charged with anything. Charging and making it "stick" are two different things. ...
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Now they might be trying to lower the boom on this guy, but any decent lawyer, will break that down.

I am NOT diminishing the fact that someone died here......but to go after the owner, who was NOT driving the car.....c'mon. How about putting a little effect into WHO was driving and fled the scene.


No doubt it is the driver. Heavy handed law enforcement practices don't make them right and they will never convict the owner in court of that charge.



Maybe so, but once charged or in court the lawyers clock is running, win lose or draw. That alone will break the back of a lot of folks.


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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1757513
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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: Quicktree] #1757514
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explain how they could be linked?




On this point I'd have to agree.

If lawyers are involved they could sue a ham sandwich. I have seen such shenanigans in court myself. Everyone with deep pockets is hit even if they didn't have a damn thing to do with anything.




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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: gdonovan] #1757515
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explain how they could be linked?




On this point I'd have to agree.

If lawyers are involved they could sue a ham sandwich. I have seen such shenanigans in court myself. Everyone with deep pockets is hit even if they didn't have a damn thing to do with anything.


there is no way in hell the IHRA or NHRA could be linked to any of this.

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: Quicktree] #1757516
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there is no way in hell the IHRA or NHRA could be linked to any of this.




The lawyers do not care, they get paid by the hour.

Everyone with deep pockets is hit, everyone.

Sue NHRA, the makers of Grand Theft Auto, etc. It costs pretty nothing to engage in lawfare and if you are lucky you will get a bushel of cash just to go away.

Happens all the time man.




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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: MoparBilly] #1757517
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Perhaps we should revisit this case...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/dr...f-1111117181598




I always cringe when I see someone doing a long smokey burnout on a crowded street, things can get sideways in a heartbeat.




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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: gdonovan] #1757518
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there is no way in hell the IHRA or NHRA could be linked to any of this.




The lawyers do not care, they get paid by the hour.

Everyone with deep pockets is hit, everyone.

Sue NHRA, the makers of Grand Theft Auto, etc. It costs pretty nothing to engage in lawfare and if you are lucky you will get a bushel of cash just to go away.

Happens all the time man.


Few years ago, a kid in a "hot rod" Mustang, plowed through an intersection, hit a mini-van, killed a family. Every, I repeat EVERY company that manufactured an aftermarket part that was on that car, OR the car had a sticker for, got hit with the suit. So THAT is how you link some seemingly irrelevant company or person.........Now they WON'T win and they KNOW they won't. But you sue ENOUGH people for millions of dollars each, you will likely collect enough "go away" money to come out good. And in the above scenario, all the "we are anti this, see what we are doing" stuff in the world, won't make a damn bit of difference. Still get hit with a suit if the plaintiff is so inclined.

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: Monte_Smith] #1757519
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Just another reason why people own guns and take the law in their own hands because the System of Justice is just way out of hand and the old saying everyone should have their day in court just does not ad up in these kinds of cases. So if I wear my NHRA T Shirt and go do some kind of injustice to the world, everyone that it effected now can take NHRA to court because I wore their Logo on the shirt I bought.

The Courts need to look at these law suits before they even go to court and start tossing them out and stop wasting the tax payers money.


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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: hemicar1971] #1757520
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Just another reason why people own guns and take the law in their own hands because the System of Justice is just way out of hand and the old saying everyone should have their day in court just does not ad up in these kinds of cases. So if I wear my NHRA T Shirt and go do some kind of injustice to the world, everyone that it effected now can take NHRA to court because I wore their Logo on the shirt I bought.

The Courts need to look at these law suits before they even go to court and start tossing them out and stop wasting the tax payers money.


you can sue anyone for anything, but the catch is you open yourself to counter suit.

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: Quicktree] #1757521
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Indulge me for a moment while I play devil's advocate....

Why does the law and or courts view a spectator's death at a street race any differently than they do at a sanctioned NHRA event?

Everybody that's there knows there's risk involved.
Everybody that's there is doing so of their own free will.
One venue was "free" for the spectators while the other charged a fee to enter.
Why is the driver of an NHRA race car not charged with murder if a spectator is killed?

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: Duner] #1757522
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Indulge me for a moment while I play devil's advocate....

Why does the law and or courts view a spectator's death at a street race any differently than they do at a sanctioned NHRA event?

Everybody that's there knows there's risk involved.
Everybody that's there is doing so of their own free will.
One venue was "free" for the spectators while the other charged a fee to enter.
Why is the driver of an NHRA race car not charged with murder if a spectator is killed?




Because a NHRA race is LEGAL.


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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: bigtimeauto] #1757523
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Lets look at this another way. People die in traffic accidents every day. How often does the driver get charged with murder? Nearly always manslaughter if anything. Because there IS NO INTENT. Sure these guys were doing something illegal, but they were not TRYING to hurt anyone. Same with traffic accidents. You run a light, a sign, are speeding, reckless driving or any number of other things.........you are doing something ILLEGAL. You hurt someone else, depending on circumstances, you MAY be held accountable, but I don't recall many, if any cases where a murder conviction was handed down. It is after all an ACCIDENT.

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: Monte_Smith] #1757524
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Lets look at this another way. People die in traffic accidents every day.




92-93 on average per day.

The prosecutor is just trying to make a name for himself since someone is "famous."

Has Bruce Jenner been charged with murder yet?




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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: gdonovan] #1757525
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for killing bruce jenner

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for killing bruce jenner




bruce jenner is dead>?


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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: bigtimeauto] #1757527
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for killing bruce jenner




bruce jenner is dead>?




Killed someone in a car accident, no charges as of yet.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment...ticle-1.2119173




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for killing bruce jenner




bruce jenner is dead>?




Killed someone in a car accident, no charges as of yet.

http://www.ydailynews.com/entertainment...ticle-1.2119173




I know he rear ended somebody BY accident, you said he was dead


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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... [Re: Monte_Smith] #1757529
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Lets look at this another way. People die in traffic accidents every day. How often does the driver get charged with murder? Nearly always manslaughter if anything. Because there IS NO INTENT. Sure these guys were doing something illegal, but they were not TRYING to hurt anyone. Same with traffic accidents. You run a light, a sign, are speeding, reckless driving or any number of other things.........you are doing something ILLEGAL. You hurt someone else, depending on circumstances, you MAY be held accountable, but I don't recall many, if any cases where a murder conviction was handed down. It is after all an ACCIDENT.




But by California law street racing is a felony. Any death caused during commission of a felony is considered murder.


Realistically? I think the prosecutor is just shaking the tree to see what falls out.


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for killing bruce jenner




bruce jenner is dead>?




Killed someone in a car accident, no charges as of yet.

http://www.ydailynews.com/entertainment...ticle-1.2119173




I know he rear ended somebody BY accident, you said he was dead




well.....HE is dead.....SHE is alive.....


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for killing bruce jenner




bruce jenner is dead>?




Killed someone in a car accident, no charges as of yet.

http://www.ydailynews.com/entertainment...ticle-1.2119173




I know he rear ended somebody BY accident, you said he was dead



Just his face is dead


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