nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....

Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 04:47 AM

its nhra's license and their terms,BUT,exactly what does their license have to do with your freedom away from nhra events.thats where the fight will come to a boil.the extent of their "REACH" beyond their property and events.i think this will be an expensive barnbuster.im not a lawyer,but i play one in front of my ex-wife....

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 04:51 AM

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its nhra's license and their terms,BUT,exactly what does their license have to do with your freedom away from nhra events.thats where the fight will come to a boil.the extent of their "REACH" beyond their property and events.i think this will be an expensive barnbuster...

Exactly

Posted By: Duner

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 04:56 AM

What's next? The DMV pulling your license for drag racing at an NHRA track?

I don't see how they can try to change somebody's behavior when they aren't at the NHRA sanctioned track. Does NHRA not benefit from increased or remaining interest in motorsports in general and Drag Racing specifically? I watch the show occasionally - and it gets me jazzed about getting to the track. Never once did it make me think I was going to go out street racing, or even think about it. Just a dumb knee-jerk reaction to a TV show that has ZERO reflection on NHRA Drag Racing at all.

The NHRA has already done their best to make the general public think that Drag Racing is ONLY the pro categories - because that's about all they put on TV. I see people all the time that can't believe I can take something I drive on the street and race it at the track - because all they know about it is the Pro ranks that get TV coverage. They had no idea that there was actually Sportsman racing that less-funded "regular" people could get into. No wonder the sport is dying off. Nobody knows THEY THEMSELVES can get into it!

One thing is for sure.... trying to kill off a TV show about cars is NOT the way to get more participants at the track!

Posted By: draginmopars

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:01 AM

.dragzine.com

http://www.dragzine.com/news/street-outlaws-participants-face-nhra-license-suspension/

It appears we�re not the only people who watch Street Outlaws on Discovery Channel. Most of us enjoy it because it actually has something to do with cars, but it seems the NHRA isn�t a fan.

We have received news that several participants that either currently have NHRA licenses, or those that have applied for a license, will be denied, or have their license indefinitely suspended for either participating in the show, or inquiring about being on the show. The NHRA says such street racing puts �participants, spectators, the unknowing public, and first responders � at great risk,� according to a document from the NHRA.

slack-imgs.comThe NHRA writes, �The NHRA was founded in 1951 by Wally Parks in an effort to provide an alternative for drag racing enthusiasts who were, at that time, racing illegally on public streets.� That original thought remains one of NHRA�s primary missions, to provide a safe place for people to drag race. The NHRA adds that the show Street Outlaws goes against that premise.

In short, the NHRA stands strongly against any kind of illegal street racing, whether staged, or if two cars happen to be at the same stop light. Not only that; but also the promotion of street racing like what takes place on the show.

The NHRA cites illegal street racing goes against its Section 1.3.1, Participant Conduct within the 2015 NHRA Rulebook. And as mentioned above, one�s NHRA license may be indefinitely suspended if a member is found to be participating in illegal street racing. This is no doubt, a strong stance by the NHRA, but it feels the safest place to drag race is at an NHRA-sanctioned track with the proper safety gear and personnel on hand to handle incidents they�re trained to address.

Show stars Mike Murillo and Jon Andrade Jr. have already confirmed their letters via Facebook.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:14 AM

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.dragzine.com

http://www.dragzine.com/news/street-outlaws-participants-face-nhra-license-suspension/

It appears we�re not the only people who watch Street Outlaws on Discovery Channel. Most of us enjoy it because it actually has something to do with cars, but it seems the NHRA isn�t a fan.

We have received news that several participants that either currently have NHRA licenses, or those that have applied for a license, will be denied, or have their license indefinitely suspended for either participating in the show, or inquiring about being on the show. The NHRA says such street racing puts �participants, spectators, the unknowing public, and first responders � at great risk,� according to a document from the NHRA.

slack-imgs.comThe NHRA writes, �The NHRA was founded in 1951 by Wally Parks in an effort to provide an alternative for drag racing enthusiasts who were, at that time, racing illegally on public streets.� That original thought remains one of NHRA�s primary missions, to provide a safe place for people to drag race. The NHRA adds that the show Street Outlaws goes against that premise.

In short, the NHRA stands strongly against any kind of illegal street racing, whether staged, or if two cars happen to be at the same stop light. Not only that; but also the promotion of street racing like what takes place on the show.

The NHRA cites illegal street racing goes against its Section 1.3.1, Participant Conduct within the 2015 NHRA Rulebook. And as mentioned above, one�s NHRA license may be indefinitely suspended if a member is found to be participating in illegal street racing. This is no doubt, a strong stance by the NHRA, but it feels the safest place to drag race is at an NHRA-sanctioned track with the proper safety gear and personnel on hand to handle incidents they�re trained to address.

Show stars Mike Murillo and Jon Andrade Jr. have already confirmed their letters via Facebook.

I guess they look at it as I do.... BUT I dont feel
they have a right out side of their tracks

Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:17 AM

participate conduct,does that apply away from events?nope.not unless they start doing background checks and the like.thats discrimination.a person with a criminal record can drag race.even though that person commited an illegal act...this could go on forever...

Posted By: dOc !

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:20 AM

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Would tell NHRH to pound sand, but then again I race boats...LOL

Same here .... but as said before ... they just are "haters" because more people watch that than their dog and pony show ...

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Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:23 AM

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Would tell NHRH to pound sand, but then again I race boats...LOL

Same here .... but as said before ... they just are "haters" because more people watch that than their dog and pony show ...

Well look who came back...

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:27 AM

NHRA is deleting peoples posts on their facebook page and I dont think they can delete fast enough

Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:28 AM

I think this is [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean], they can't dictate what someone does outside of the track. That would be like they will suspend your license for buying street outlaw material or wearing street outlaw material because you are promoting street racing... GET THE HECK OUTTA HERE!!!

Also I'm a converted street racer and let me tell you, all this extra expense of going legal makes me think twice about track racing

Posted By: moparpollack

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:28 AM

Will NHRA stop no prep races at NHRA tracks?

The Street Outlaws did really well at these races some payouts more than $10,000.

But at the last race three racers wadded up their cars with this nonsense style racing.

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:28 AM

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participate conduct,does that apply away from events?nope.not unless they start doing background checks and the like.thats discrimination.a person with a criminal record can drag race.even though that person commited an illegal act...this could go on forever...

Yep. It says "AT EVENTS" in the section cited.

It's a bunch different than na$crap and their substance abuse rules.

Wonder when Hight is getting his lic pulled for domestic violence? HMMMM????

This is the BEST response I've seen... LMAO

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Although the letter was perfectly legible and obviously could perform the task at hand, I can not accept it as it isn't on approved letterhead. You have not provided sufficient funds to cover the space required to place the letter on my desk or proven that you are qualified to write such a letter. If you so chose, you may send me X amount to join my assoc. and begin the process of contacting me from the approved methods and materials at a minimal cost.

Posted By: MoparBilly

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:29 AM

Sounds pretty hypocritical when their own NHRA President has a DUI on his record!

One of the biggest misconceptions the NHRA brass has is that their member tracks enforce all their rules and wishes. That is simply not reality, plenty of guys are running sub 10.0 at NHRA tracks all across America, without licenses or memberships.

If they continue down this path, there will be track owners telling them just where to step off.

Posted By: dOc !

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:30 AM

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Well look who came back...

Yo P .... wanna boat ride ? .... like at 3:18 ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_SAFjARlMc

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:31 AM

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NHRA is deleting peoples posts on their facebook page and I dont think they can delete fast enough

LOL...MAYBE they will catch on .. I doubt it

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:34 AM

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Well look who came back...

Yo P .... wanna boat ride ? .... like at 3:18 ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_SAFjARlMc

I'd love too.. but I dont go to FL anymore.. been
going to TX the last few years but I sure would like
a fast boat ride

Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:43 AM

the nhra "evangelists" are not only hypocrits,they are picking a fight i believe they cannot win.it may take a few mil to fight the machine,but,in the end the amount of negative press and lost revenue will come back to haunt them.they could care less about the little guy.the true backbone of nhra.i bet even john force will be laughing about this.its kind of like laundrymats going after people doing laundry at home......

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:21 AM

You know all that fine print you are supposed to read BEFORE you sign something? They should have read it.

Posted By: rowin4

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:27 AM

So how far will NHRA go? will they pull your license for doing illegal things like speeding? Maybe if you got caught in a DUI. I would think that anybody that watches the show would know that street racing is illegal . Some states take your car with no way to get them back and just crush them. I agree , NHRA is reaching a little to far with their organization into your life.

OH, it just came to me what their [ NHRA ] problem is, they don't payout the money thats won on street races. There was a video about Don Garlitts awhile back about him and NHRA , he really pi$$ed them off when he told Wally that he [Wally] would up the purse. It was a real good interview.

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:30 AM

If you do something off track and lose your driver's license your comp license is no longer good either. You are supposed to have a valid license to be able to race anyway.

Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 08:32 AM

Not to much difference than what our government is doing now. One example is what size soft drink we can buy etc...
where is the NHRA seat belt post when we need it?

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:13 AM

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Not to much difference than what our government is doing now. One example is what size soft drink we can buy etc...
where is the NHRA seat belt post when we need it?

The soft drink issue was just the NY mayor.. he thinks
he is a GOD.. but in reality he is a A$$

Posted By: cudadoug

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:26 AM

MAN!! This deal sure raises one's blood pressure. Here's what I had to say on their (NHRA) facebook page:

So wait a second. You send a letter to the participants of Street Outlaws stating their NHRA licenses will be suspended for promoting "illegal" street racing???? Better check with the municipalities involved. It's 100% legal.

If the NHRA policy you quote is the defining statue, you better start checking backgrounds and legal history of everyone that holds a license. I personally know of TWO prior convicted FELONS that hold NHRA licenses. Then we can get into Jerry "the (Cocaine) King" Ruth, who you as an organization recognize as an NHRA legend. I believe Lee Beard was mentioned in that scandal as well, wasn't he?

Wait another second. Wasn't Robert Hight arrested recently for Domestic Violence?? He received a letter too then...RIGHT???????

Oh, wait again...doesn't a high ranking NHRA official have a DUI conviction on his "resume"????

Will you delete this or respond?? My guess is the former.

PS: What about Ms. FORCE naked on the ESPN deal???

Did everyone involved in the Fast and Furious CRAP get a letter???

I've never been more PROUD to have cancelled my NHRA membership a few years ago.

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:50 AM

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MAN!! This deal sure raises one's blood pressure. Here's what I had to say on their (NHRA) facebook page:

So wait a second. You send a letter to the participants of Street Outlaws stating their NHRA licenses will be suspended for promoting "illegal" street racing???? Better check with the municipalities involved. It's 100% legal.

If the NHRA policy you quote is the defining statue, you better start checking backgrounds and legal history of everyone that holds a license. I personally know of TWO prior convicted FELONS that hold NHRA licenses. Then we can get into Jerry "the (Cocaine) King" Ruth, who you as an organization recognize as an NHRA legend. I believe Lee Beard was mentioned in that scandal as well, wasn't he?

Wait another second. Wasn't Robert Hight arrested recently for Domestic Violence?? He received a letter too then...RIGHT???????

Oh, wait again...doesn't a high ranking NHRA official have a DUI conviction on his "resume"????

Will you delete this or respond?? My guess is the former.

PS: What about Ms. FORCE naked on the ESPN deal???

Did everyone involved in the Fast and Furious CRAP get a letter???

I've never been more PROUD to have cancelled my NHRA membership a few years ago.

Don't forget Div 4 HOFer Gene Snow

Posted By: TRENDZ

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 12:37 PM

O.K. Isn't this contrary to their mission statement? Wally started it to get people off of the street... Now they pull licenses' of people so the only option IS to street race.

Posted By: 440Jim

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 01:42 PM

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i believe what we have here,is a failure to communicate.nhra does not own the world nor have a right to dictate your "freedom" off their property.

I agree with this part. This is like NHRA saying you can't work for IBM and race at their tracks. That is just wrong.

Posted By: jcc

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 02:31 PM

Am I correct that other sports have a policy regarding off the track/field maintaining a proper image, ie NFL, Nascar, etc? Is this the basis for this proclamation?

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 02:48 PM

Wait till the "taxman" steps in for his cut from all the winnings being bet each week. Is gambling allowed in Oklahoma??? If not ohhhhh boy. They can't even claim it as a business because its an illegal activity.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 02:59 PM

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Wait till the "taxman" steps in for his cut from all the winnings being bet each week. Is gambling allowed in Oklahoma??? If not ohhhhh boy. They can't even claim it as a business because its an illegal activity.

Not an illegal activity.

As someone else pointed out the local PD is involved with the show and has some oversight over the program.

"Reality TV"

Which kneecaps NHRA further since none of the participants are actually breaking the law where its being filmed.

They got their knickers in a bunch since ratings for S.O. are greater than their own show and of course NHRA has seen better times shall we say? Just because NHRA has has stirred up this pot I'm going to look into Street Outlaws which I have never seen before.

Well done bro.

Posted By: Eric

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 03:18 PM

IHRA has a pretty big pond too...I would think they could come and swim in that.

Posted By: dynamite

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 03:20 PM

MR P Body.. Hey Mike didn't know you when I was racing boats back in the ( old days ) 80's to early 90's..Raced in MI and a lot in FL...You'd be surprised that a lot of those street racers wouldn't step foot in the drag or offshore boats,, just like I don't want any part of their street racing..NHRA should get their own house in order before telling others what to do..PICs a couple of my old boats OK for some reason I can't load more than one pic sorry

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Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 03:22 PM

Hey I'll be the first to say I enjoy the show and look forward to it every week. But just last week a Yellowbullet member died testing his car on the street. Every time something like this happens its a black eye for drag racing. Multiple times a year our local news broadcasts blame drag racing for almost every high speed wreck. They NEVER even attempt to say "street racing". NHRA and IHRA took racing to higher levels years ago BUT now with the wrong type of circus atmosphere is falling off at a high rate. I personally think the show has probably scratched an itch and a few people that never went to a drag strip have finally taken their kids to a race but at what cost. The truth is it will have more kids hitting the streets and more kids and innocent victims dying because of it.

Posted By: jcc

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 03:23 PM

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Wait till the "taxman" steps in for his cut from all the winnings being bet each week. Is gambling allowed in Oklahoma??? If not ohhhhh boy. They can't even claim it as a business because its an illegal activity.

Al Capone would I think disagree about illegal activity being taxed.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 03:27 PM

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But just last week a Yellowbullet member died testing his car on the street.

While true you neglect to mention it looks like he wasn't belted in and was thrown from the car.

I read all 17 pages (now up to 26) over at Y.B.

If belted in a different story perhaps.

Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 03:36 PM

I don't care for the show, the only real draw is the cars not the drama.

What the show does do is this, its gets people interested in racing. I am sure there has been many car covers pulled off that haven't been touched in years just because this show rekindled some interest.

In the end I think the show is a positive for US the racers as it causes interest. NHRA could have handled this differently, and I am sure they are wishing they did.

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Posted By: fullmetaljacket

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 03:52 PM

Though I'm not a big fan of the show since it has no hairs as to real street racing as I witnessed it, I understand TV logistics and their quest to reach a broader demographic. It's a new world in a whole new spin.
On this one, I'll have to say that NHRA has its head in the sand so they might has just go pound on it as well.

NHRA has acted recently like they are the bigger head of the household since they were founded on the heels of trying to curve a reckless young urban phenomenon back in the 40's. They are now acting like they still have all the answers for a bunch of rambunctious youngsters who need to be held by the hand. Maybe the aroma of what's for Supper is not attracting those young people back home.
What they need to do is retool their programs to make it a better attraction and more affordable to those young people that will take it to the streets anyhow. Don't start jumping from one cooking skillet onto another with out knowing what ingredients are there.

I know of some street cars that can give their (NHRA) Pro rank$ a run for the money with the right spot given. Flip the script, change the record to the B-side. Ye$, it'$ about the have$ and the have not$. Talk about Jack and the Bean stalk.

Posted By: camastomcat

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 04:03 PM

I am surprised it took this long. I like the show because it satisfies my drag race fix and is somewhat entertaining. I also agree it will ad an incentive for people to try street racing, and I am totally against that. I used to do it, but after racing at a track with safety personal and rules, I never did it again.
They should be able to come up with an unprepared track with safety crew involved. Even better yet as someone said, how about a show on Top Sportsman, Top Dragster, or some other sportsman rank?

Posted By: CHAPPER

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 04:25 PM

As far as NHRA even making their statement,,I wonder what they would say if someone accused them of being the reason people are street racing??? I bet they would have said "we weren't aware of any such thing". NOW,,it's obvious they are aware and not happy with it!!

I agree with another poster,,need NHRA stickers on those cars along with the other 'contingency' decals some are wearing,,and T-shirts and other 'plugs' that get sneaked in there!! ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!!

Posted By: Dduster

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 04:42 PM

So, all the selfrightous anti-NHRA folks are hot at putting together an 'outlaw' street car right? I doubt those cars are any faster than 'fast' run-of-the mill PSCA cars. Whatever has the anti-NHRA crowd in their rabid temper is funny

Whatever floats Your boat. Boat guys in the thread are a bit too selfrightous as well. You all stay away from that nasty old March Meet in Famoso OK? Too many NHRA folks will be there as well.

Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 04:48 PM

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Am I correct that other sports have a policy regarding off the track/field maintaining a proper image, ie NFL, Nascar, etc? Is this the basis for this proclamation?

And when have you seen anyone on that show proclaim they were an NHRA member?
You're relating a JOB( professional sports) to a HOBBY(drag racing).

Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:07 PM

If the NHRA pulls anyone's license, let's start a CrowdFund to support a lawsuit against the NHRA. As has been mentioned, the races on S.O. actually have local L.E. approval, so they are not as outlaw as either they or the NHRA would have us believe.

It would be interesting to hear what the courts would have to say about that. And besides, the NHRA should not have the final say.

What is it with all these organizations getting ahead of law enforcement? NFL, NBA, etc, all suspend or worse BEFORE there is any legal resolution. What happened to innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty?

In the case of S.O., there may not even be a real case of criminal street racing. Isn't that a decision for the local cops?

Here's my $20 to go after the NHRA if they suspend anyone's license.

Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:09 PM

its the same on both levels.dangerous for sure.but as with any sport you accept the risk.the late lee shepherd was killed and thrown from the car not wearing a belt.the nhra brass have no say whatsoever on your personal freedom off their sites.that is discrimination.its okay to be a convicted felon and drag race.whats the difference?both are breaking the law on their own terms away from nhra.maybe they need to change to nkra...north korean racing association....what you do at or away from their events is two different worlds.period.why on earth would you have to follow their rules and guidlines away from a race or event?thats communism at its best.as americans,there isnt a chance in hell we will stand for that.....

Posted By: moparguy7074

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:13 PM

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So those of You whom are so selfrightous about watching the stupid contrived 'street outlaw' program feel better? In my opinion the show is pitched to the stupid who believe that drag racing is all about racing (or crashing) on public roads in Oklahoma. Talk to real Bracket Racers,.. Most feel the show is weak and staged and phony as to any real race value. If those cars are so unique or fast or ???? Have them go to a track and time the damn things or have them actually compete against other 'fast' but safety certified real race cars. This plays to the non-reality shows the public lsps up. You guys keep bad mouthing NHRA all You want but Your premier 'nostalgia' races like the March Meet aare at NHRA Tracks as the track safety is there. How many ambulances You have out there in Oklahoma or anywhere else the morons race? The is s a hollywood made up [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] series the dumb have become addicted to,... nothing more. How many of You critics of NHRA actually race? Boats need not answer but I know You believe You are the worlds authorities on everything from Your comments.

You really believe they don't have safety/emergency equipment on the set of this show? Just because they aren't shown on tv, I find it very hard to believe they would take that chance.

Posted By: jose jones

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:24 PM

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So those of You whom are so selfrightous about watching the stupid contrived 'street outlaw' program feel better? In my opinion the show is pitched to the stupid who believe that drag racing is all about racing (or crashing) on public roads in Oklahoma. Talk to real Bracket Racers,.. Most feel the show is weak and staged and phony as to any real race value. If those cars are so unique or fast or ???? Have them go to a track and time the damn things or have them actually compete against other 'fast' but safety certified real race cars. This plays to the non-reality shows the public lsps up. You guys keep bad mouthing NHRA all You want but Your premier 'nostalgia' races like the March Meet aare at NHRA Tracks as the track safety is there. How many ambulances You have out there in Oklahoma or anywhere else the morons race? The is s a hollywood made up [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] series the dumb have become addicted to,... nothing more. How many of You critics of NHRA actually race? Boats need not answer but I know You believe You are the worlds authorities on everything from Your comments.

I am sure they have a ambulance and safety people on site, They also are NOT on the street as they say, The area where they race is closed to the public, Do you notice they do not have any spectators other than the car owners and their crew/family on the set? It is a TV show! these cars are NOT street cars, they have slicks, rollbars, huge motors etc..They are full blown race cars. NHRA is BORING who gives a rats behind over Top Fuel and Funny cars where 1/2 of them don't even make it to the finish line. NHRA treats the slower racers like crap.If you don't like street outlaws don't watch it. Apparently Discovery Channel has lots of viewers or it wouldn't be on the air

Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:31 PM

They do race on the street most of the time. I have seen the starting line just down from the "shop" while i was in OKC recently and really bored. I even lauched the wifes car from it...thats how bored I was LOL.

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:32 PM

Do any of those guys even do NHRA events?

Posted By: rt66jim

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 05:38 PM

I have only watch a couple of episodes of S O. As a drag racer Pinks All Out was much better program. And it was also done at a race track. Also supported very well by racers. S O just shows that something will fill the void left by a successful show P's A O. JMO

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 06:08 PM

Well in my opinion I am surprised it has taken this long. I would be interested to se if there was any other motivation to do it. It also seems a tad but hypocritical given what some of the bigger names have done in the past or are accused of and nothing happens. However it is there ball and there game and it IS in the rulebook.

I saw a quote from someone at the NHRA that it may be a case where cars wearing NHRA competition numbers and displaying NHRA decals maybe be a large part of the issue. At that in their minds(NHRA)it shows those people are representing the NHRA and it's racers. If that is the case a simple warning as they got and asking them to remove any reference to NHRA in terms of decals, numbers etc be removed from the cars. Possibly this would help to alleviate any perception the NHRA has that they condone ILLEAGAL street racing in any form, TV show or not. Likely could have been handled better than it was.

While some like to point out that the races are on closed down permitted streets, airports etc. They certainly DO NOT promote it as such. Many of the racers are members on yellowbullet and gladly admit they test on public roads when need be. Thus admitting they are taking place in an illegal activity that does fall under the NHRA's personal conduct clause that ALL of us who hold I license or membership are subject to. After all we do not have to be members or hold a license we CHOOSE to. I know some are trying to justify all this as being legal the show is not promoting it as such. And there are plenty of people who I guarantee think it is really illegal street racing.

I don't follow the show like some for sure. If there is nothing going on and I am around I will watch it. I don't like all the phony TV drama that seems to come with just about everything on TV anymore personally. While it is great for the aftermarket parts suppliers to maybe sell some parts and certainly to reach people through advertising, since it seems everyone is wearing some manufacturers t shirt anymore I do not see how it helps organized drag racing at all. Which seems to be a point some are making. I can see it however having a similar affect to Fast and Furious where more people get out there and street race, endangering others. But maybe I am wrong but I have not seen an influx of new blood at the tracks for sure and IIRC this is season 5 of this show. In the end the show will run it's course, and yes these guys do run at sanctioned race tracks.

I have seen what some of them have said about it and they may want to rethink their stance if they wish to continue to do so in the future. A couple of the "guest" appearances are guys who regularly compete at NHRA sanctioned tracks. They have shown Tulsa Raceway more than once that I have seen and it is an NHRA track. The PSCA runs it events at NHRA facilities as well. Not saying they cannot go elsewhere just saying they may want to rethink the current public relations strategy, on both sides honestly. But the show WILL end and those guys WILL want to continue to race. I feel confident the NHRA will be around after street outlaws goes aw

Posted By: RapidusMaximus

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 06:20 PM

Well, right, wrong or indifferent, intentional or not...the good old "net" is blowing up about it...here, the bullet, Facebook, drag race results, competition plus....somebody is getting what they did (or didn't) want...key board warriors on a tear...stand back boys I think she's gonna blow.,.

Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 06:27 PM

nhra facebook site is getting pummeled with negative responses to the point they cannot keep up.heres my post....the peoples republic of nhra would like to remind you that your constitutional rights do not apply here and that at this moment,wally parks [R.I.P.] has reached warp speed spinning in his grave.the post was on for 4 min then got yanked...they have truly created a monster on this one,hopefully someone will get fired...

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Posted By: Streetwize

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 06:39 PM

My .02, Unless I'm mis-reading something here (which I may be)...

When you SIGN a license (be it NHRA, FISHING, DRIVER's, etc.) you are VOLUNTARILY Agreeing and binding yourself to comply with all the rules and regulations stipulated in that "contract"....in exchange for the privilege of carrying that license. The Licensing Party therefore has the right and responsibility to CALL YOU OUT ON IT IF YOU ARE IN WILLFUL or otherwise) VIOLATION OF THAT CONTRACT. Maybe that's not cool, and it's not convenient but nonetheless....they are THE RULES....Am I missing something?

A signature, a man's word, a handshake used to mean something in my day....And if you don't like the rules or can't or can no longer comply with them....DON'T SIGN the [Email]D@MN[/Email] THING!
By the same token if THEY Change the rules you are really no longer bound to them...unless they re-issue an amended contract for you to sign.

If you don't like the rules, or feel strongly that they need to be amended, then Man up and fight to change them. Don't blame the agency for "singling you out" by reminding you that you are stepping across a line you agreed not to cross.

I'm NOT TAKING THE NHRA's side on this, I'm simply stating that it is a License, and with any binding contract people need to think about things before they sign into them. Can you (are you willing to?) live up to your end of the deal?To me it's the same as signing for a loan, or (getting real old school here) shaking hands with someone on a deal.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 06:47 PM

Quote:

My .02

When you SIGN a license (be it NHRA, FISHING, DRIVER's, etc.) you are VOLUNTARILY Agreeing and binding yourself to comply with all the rules and regulations stipulated in that "contract"....in exchange for the privilege of carrying that license. The Licensing Party therefore has the right and responsibility to CALL YOU OUT ON IT IF YOU ARE IN WILLFUL or otherwise) VIOLATION OF THAT CONTRACT. Maybe that's not cool, and it's not convenient but nonetheless....they are THE RULES....Am I missing something?

A signature, a man's word, a handshake used to mean something in my day....if you don't like the rules or can't or can no longer comply with them....DON'T SIGN the [Email]D@MN[/Email] THING!

If you don't like the rules, or feel strongly that they need to be amended, then Man up and fight to change them. Don't blame the agency for "singling you out" by reminding you that you are stepping across a line you agreed not to cross.

I'm NOT TAKING THE NHRA's side on this, I'm simply stating that people need to think about things before you sign into them. Can you (are you willing to?) live up to your end of the deal?To me it's the same as signing for a loan, or (getting real old school here) shaking hands with someone on a deal.

Since I dont have a license any longer I dont recall
what the rules are.. do they go beyond the race track..
can they dictate what you do in your every day living

Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 06:48 PM

Can anyone show me anywhere in the NHRA rule book that says if you take part in illegal street racing they will pull your license???
If that were true some very well know and respected drivers would be in a whole lotta trouble...

Posted By: Streetwize

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 06:51 PM

Mike, I don't know, again I'm only stating it in General terms that you need to be aware of what your signing. I thought the original NHRA "charter" was formed to try to get kids off the street back in the Post WW2 days, I wouldn't be surprised if there are still certain tenants that members are expected to uphold.

But I agree, if it doesn't specifically forbid it in their bylaws, then they (the NHRA) have absolutely no business meddling in the private 'off track' affairs of its members. I suspect they are really nervous about "bad publicity" backlash from the media that make no distinction between Drag Racing and Street Racing.

Posted By: booger

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 06:52 PM

Quote:

you need to be aware of what your signing.

As I heard on my first day at Lackland AFB, don't sign anything you don't read and understand first, because that's how you got here.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 06:58 PM

Quote:

Can anyone show me anywhere in the NHRA rule book that says if you take part in illegal street racing they will pull your license???

Did anyone read the letter? I did.

It clearly states "Participants at EVENTS"

I'm assuming this indicates NHRA sanctioned events which this clearly isn't so therefore NHRA regulations have no bearing.

They stepped in it and are now reaping what they sowed.

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Posted By: Twostick

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:02 PM

Quote:

My .02, Unless I'm mis-reading something here (which I may be)...

When you SIGN a license (be it NHRA, FISHING, DRIVER's, etc.) you are VOLUNTARILY Agreeing and binding yourself to comply with all the rules and regulations stipulated in that "contract"....in exchange for the privilege of carrying that license. The Licensing Party therefore has the right and responsibility to CALL YOU OUT ON IT IF YOU ARE IN WILLFUL or otherwise) VIOLATION OF THAT CONTRACT. Maybe that's not cool, and it's not convenient but nonetheless....they are THE RULES....Am I missing something?

A signature, a man's word, a handshake used to mean something in my day....And if you don't like the rules or can't or can no longer comply with them....DON'T SIGN the [Email]D@MN[/Email] THING!
By the same token if THEY Change the rules you are really no longer bound to them...unless they re-issue an amended contract for you to sign.

If you don't like the rules, or feel strongly that they need to be amended, then Man up and fight to change them. Don't blame the agency for "singling you out" by reminding you that you are stepping across a line you agreed not to cross.

I'm NOT TAKING THE NHRA's side on this, I'm simply stating that it is a License, and with any binding contract people need to think about things before they sign into them. Can you (are you willing to?) live up to your end of the deal?To me it's the same as signing for a loan, or (getting real old school here) shaking hands with someone on a deal.

This is all fine and good and I agree.

I haven't seen the language contained in whatever section sub section and paragraph number that NHRA seems to think these guys are in violation of but if it specifies illegal racing activities then they the NHRA are SOL if what I am reading here is fact.

From what I can gather here (I haven't seen the show. I'm not a fan of fake reality

) these so called street races are actually held on a closed course ie the street is closed to the public so that would make it a de facto sanctioned by whoever owns the street, event. So much for illegal street racing.

Now if the language is like NASCAR's catch all clause "actions detrimental to stock car racing" they MIGHT have cause to punch your ticket but I think they would have a hard time showing what the detriment is.

Kevin

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:04 PM

But I agree, if it doesn't specifically forbid it in their bylaws, then they (the NHRA) have absolutely no business meddling in the private 'off track' affairs of its members. I suspect they are really nervous about "bad publicity" backlash from the media that make no distinction between Drag Racing and Street Racing.

I'm sure they are worried about that and they cant
be associated or condone any illegal activity which
the show tries to portray... also.. isnt gambling
illegal there and that occurs on the show

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:05 PM

I'll also point out that like the NFL they have put themselves in a trap.

Once an agency starts sticking its nose into everyones business outside of its charter it will never end. The NFL should have simply stated "Player XYZ was involved in XYZ and the matter is being handled by local authorities and we will take no action until they have concluded their investigation"

Instead they tried to pander and now its blowing up in their face.

NHRA should have stated "we don't agree with the show but its Hollywood and why don't you come to a real NHRA event to see what its all about" while quietly working with the shows producers.

Once you opened the door of what happens off track anything is fair game and you have set yourself up for massive failure.

Posted By: Streetwize

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:06 PM

@ Gdonovan,

Thanks for posting that

that letter clearly states "at events"

My only concern was if there were any "hanging offence" by-laws in the License agreement that clearly stated what items Conducts are/could be specific grounds for revocation.

If an off-duty Cop is caught pushing drugs on the street-corner ....He can't just say, "Hey, I'm off-duty!"

Posted By: Twostick

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:18 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Can anyone show me anywhere in the NHRA rule book that says if you take part in illegal street racing they will pull your license???

Did anyone read the letter? I did.

It clearly states "Participants at EVENTS"

I'm assuming this indicates NHRA sanctioned events which this clearly isn't so therefore NHRA regulations have no bearing.

They stepped in it and are now reaping what they sowed.

I see it does have the "actions detrimental" clause but as you have noted it is tied to events only.

Even if they were so foolish as to take the position that they meant "any" event, NHRA or otherwise, they are are still screwed because nobody has claimed these SO participants have violated any of the SO rules.

The NHRA has enough $1000 an hour lawyers that they already know they have no cause for action.

It's sabre rattling just for the sake of optics.

IMHO

Kevin

Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:20 PM

Are they racing on a street or road? Yes but are they really street racing? No. I think NHRA may have went about it they wrong way.

Posted By: Twostick

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:36 PM

It's all about publicity. There is no bad publicity as long as they spell your name right.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is all worked into a storyline for an upcoming episode.

NHRA gets some free press or if you are really cynical,

the whole thing was a put up job from the get go between the the 2 of them.

Kevin

Posted By: 67Satty

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:39 PM

"To live outside the law, you must be honest."

They want to call themselves "outlaws", then they can't complain when there are consequences to their "outlaw" way of doing things. But my guess is that they are actually loving all the extra attention they are getting from this. I'd also hazard a guess that their local tracks, whether NHRA-sanctioned or not, won't be turning these guys away from the gate anytime soon, comp license or not, being the crowd-draws they have become.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:40 PM

Almost didn't click to start this video when I saw what it was. Glad I did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41gSRYzK2yg

It is hilarious.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:44 PM

Quote:

Almost didn't click to start this video when I saw what it was. Glad I did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41gSRYzK2yg

It is hilarious.

"screwing everyone with certs!"

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 07:49 PM

If they do a test hit on a public road, it's not a speed contest or street race as there is no opponent. You want to cite for exceeding the speed limit, etc, yep that's there. But it's not a race.

Now the stuff azn and farmtruck do...

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 08:05 PM

Quote:

Well in my opinion I am surprised it has taken this long. I would be interested to se if there was any other motivation to do it. It also seems a tad but hypocritical given what some of the bigger names have done in the past or are accused of and nothing happens. However it is there ball and there game and it IS in the rulebook.

I saw a quote from someone at the NHRA that it may be a case where cars wearing NHRA competition numbers and displaying NHRA decals maybe be a large part of the issue. At that in their minds(NHRA)it shows those people are representing the NHRA and it's racers. If that is the case a simple warning as they got and asking them to remove any reference to NHRA in terms of decals, numbers etc be removed from the cars. Possibly this would help to alleviate any perception the NHRA has that they condone ILLEAGAL street racing in any form, TV show or not. Likely could have been handled better than it was.

While some like to point out that the races are on closed down permitted streets, airports etc. They certainly DO NOT promote it as such. Many of the racers are members on yellowbullet and gladly admit they test on public roads when need be. Thus admitting they are taking place in an illegal activity that does fall under the NHRA's personal conduct clause that ALL of us who hold I license or membership are subject to. After all we do not have to be members or hold a license we CHOOSE to. I know some are trying to justify all this as being legal the show is not promoting it as such. And there are plenty of people who I guarantee think it is really illegal street racing.

I don't follow the show like some for sure. If there is nothing going on and I am around I will watch it. I don't like all the phony TV drama that seems to come with just about everything on TV anymore personally. While it is great for the aftermarket parts suppliers to maybe sell some parts and certainly to reach people through advertising, since it seems everyone is wearing some manufacturers t shirt anymore I do not see how it helps organized drag racing at all. Which seems to be a point some are making. I can see it however having a similar affect to Fast and Furious where more people get out there and street race, endangering others. But maybe I am wrong but I have not seen an influx of new blood at the tracks for sure and IIRC this is season 5 of this show. In the end the show will run it's course, and yes these guys do run at sanctioned race tracks.

I have seen what some of them have said about it and they may want to rethink their stance if they wish to continue to do so in the future. A couple of the "guest" appearances are guys who regularly compete at NHRA sanctioned tracks. They have shown Tulsa Raceway more than once that I have seen and it is an NHRA track. The PSCA runs it events at NHRA facilities as well. Not saying they cannot go elsewhere just saying they may want to rethink the current public relations strategy, on both sides honestly. But the show WILL end and those guys WILL want to continue to race. I feel confident the NHRA will be around after street outlaws goes aw

QFT

For perspective, change the players:

If a high profile NRA member suddenly began a super popular TV show glorifying "outlaw hunting" (aka midnight poaching) you can bet your butt the NRA would try to put as much distance between that member and themselves as possible. It might be popular and ultimately draw people into the sport of hunting and shooting, but it does so in a manner that disparages what the NRA stands for.

Same deal. NHRA want people to know they are absolutely not a part of what happens on SO's.

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 08:08 PM

Quote:

Almost didn't click to start this video when I saw what it was. Glad I did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41gSRYzK2yg

It is hilarious.

Actually I'd rather watch the NHRA and did this weekend, they even had the lower classes running on ESPN2 3 or 4 can't recall. Much better than watching Donkeys trying to wreck their 100k+ car on some dark narrow back road for $500. I mean really the biggest bet was $3500. If these guys are so good and fast why not show up at an NHRA event and take the trophy and some serous cash home?

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 08:17 PM

Quote:

If a high profile NRA member suddenly began a super popular TV show glorifying "outlaw hunting" (aka midnight poaching) you can bet your butt the NRA would try to put as much distance between that member and themselves as possible.

Already addressed this- All NHRA had to do was issue a statement indicating they don't agree with the ***reality TV show*** Street Outlaws and people should attend a real NHRA event to see what all the action is about while quietly working with the Street Outlaw producers to remove any NHRA related signage.

It would have been a win-win for NHRA and Street Outlaws. Instead NHRA shot themselves in the foot and Street Outlaws will rake in the cash.

Posted By: 67Satty

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 08:22 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Almost didn't click to start this video when I saw what it was. Glad I did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41gSRYzK2yg

It is hilarious.

Actually I'd rather watch the NHRA and did this weekend, they even had the lower classes running on ESPN2 3 or 4 can't recall. Much better than watching Donkeys trying to wreck their 100k+ car on some dark narrow back road for $500. I mean really the biggest bet was $3500. If these guys are so good and fast why not show up at an NHRA event and take the trophy and some serous cash home?

The answer is simple, they've found a way with their no prep races at the track and/or street racing niche to be a big fish in a small pond.

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 08:33 PM

Quote:

Quote:

If a high profile NRA member suddenly began a super popular TV show glorifying "outlaw hunting" (aka midnight poaching) you can bet your butt the NRA would try to put as much distance between that member and themselves as possible.

Already addressed this- All NHRA had to do was issue a statement indicating they don't agree with the ***reality TV show*** Street Outlaws and people should attend a real NHRA event to see what all the action is about while quietly working with the Street Outlaw producers to remove any NHRA related signage.

It would have been a win-win for NHRA and Street Outlaws. Instead NHRA shot themselves in the foot and Street Outlaws will rake in the cash.

I for one like the no bs stance they took. Some see it as them shooting themselves in the foot, while others see it as them not compromising what the NHRA stands for. Heck, they issue the license, they can suspend it if the like and what does an outlaw need a comp license for anyway? Lol

Posted By: rt66jim

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 08:44 PM

War Stories comes to my mind.

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 08:46 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Almost didn't click to start this video when I saw what it was. Glad I did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41gSRYzK2yg

It is hilarious.

Actually I'd rather watch the NHRA and did this weekend, they even had the lower classes running on ESPN2 3 or 4 can't recall. Much better than watching Donkeys trying to wreck their 100k+ car on some dark narrow back road for $500. I mean really the biggest bet was $3500. If these guys are so good and fast why not show up at an NHRA event and take the trophy and some serous cash home?

The answer is simple, they've found a way with their no prep races at the track and/or street racing niche to be a big fish in a small pond.

??? I see at least one car wreck every week. Big fish in a small town you mean... hahaha

Posted By: nosboy

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 08:55 PM

I haven't watched the show,, but I WOULD THINK that the production company that produces it DOES,, in FACT,, get permission from the local authorities and I am PRETTY SURE the local police department closes off the road and they DO HAVE all the legalities and all of the city's BLESSINGS and are NOT just doing this in the middle of some interstate blocking traffic with 40 foot Peterbuilts... Therefore,, it's NOT ILLEGAL STREET RACING as they want you to think but an ORGANIZED RACE with PARAMEDICS and FIRE DEPARTMENTS standing "in the wings".... AM I RIGHT????

Posted By: CTD5.9

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 08:55 PM

Maybe this was brought forward by hotrod magazine to keep the street outlaw guys out of drag week?

Posted By: booger

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:00 PM

Quote:

[I mean really the biggest bet was $3500. If these guys are so good and fast why not show up at an NHRA event and take the trophy and some serous cash home?

How much could they really make at an NHRA event? I honestly have no idea but know costs have to be higher and suspect the purse for a single win isn't near $3500.

Never forget, they are also paid just for being on the show. That's where the money is.

Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:08 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

If a high profile NRA member suddenly began a super popular TV show glorifying "outlaw hunting" (aka midnight poaching) you can bet your butt the NRA would try to put as much distance between that member and themselves as possible.

Already addressed this- All NHRA had to do was issue a statement indicating they don't agree with the ***reality TV show*** Street Outlaws and people should attend a real NHRA event to see what all the action is about while quietly working with the Street Outlaw producers to remove any NHRA related signage.

It would have been a win-win for NHRA and Street Outlaws. Instead NHRA shot themselves in the foot and Street Outlaws will rake in the cash.

I for one like the no bs stance they took. Some see it as them shooting themselves in the foot, while others see it as them not compromising what the NHRA stands for. Heck, they issue the license, they can suspend it if the like and what does an outlaw need a comp license for anyway? Lol

How would you feel if your state revoked your license because you have competed in Drag Week, and they deem that unexceptable?

Posted By: cudadoug

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:10 PM

Quote:

I haven't watched the show,, but I WOULD THINK that the production company that produces it DOES,, in FACT,, get permission from the local authorities and I am PRETTY SURE the local police department closes off the road and they DO HAVE all the legalities and all of the city's BLESSINGS and are NOT just doing this in the middle of some interstate blocking traffic with 40 foot Peterbuilts... Therefore,, it's NOT ILLEGAL STREET RACING as they want you to think but an ORGANIZED RACE with PARAMEDICS and FIRE DEPARTMENTS standing "in the wings".... AM I RIGHT????

You are correct on all guesses. It's NOT ILLEGAL street racing. It's NOT SANCTIONED by the NHRA is the issue. Thus, there is no revenue stream for them...all the while SO's TV rating are better.

Posted By: BulletBob

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:12 PM

Quote:

NHRA is deleting peoples posts on their facebook page and I dont think they can delete fast enough

They created a mess they can't keep up with

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:16 PM

Quote:

Quote:

[I mean really the biggest bet was $3500. If these guys are so good and fast why not show up at an NHRA event and take the trophy and some serous cash home?

How much could they really make at an NHRA event? I honestly have no idea but know costs have to be higher and suspect the purse for a single win isn't near $3500.

Never forget, they are also paid just for being on the show. That's where the money is.

Some of the pay outs around here on Friday and Sat-nights can get pretty high. Especially for the OPS and Real Street cars. It's 1/8 mile so it's right up their ally. These are heads up events Capitol Raceway has regular top ET payouts of $3000. And of course there is plenty of side action, if one were to need it. May 2nd they have a "Top of the Hill" showdown, $5000.00 top ET class. Maybe they should come out east and do some running...

Posted By: booger

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:19 PM

Quote:

Maybe they should come out east and do some running...

Refer back to what I said about costs. They have to get through how many cars to get that money? That fuel and nitrous isn't free, right?

I think they've got a good thing going and there's no reason to mess it up just because some starched shirt opened a can of worms.

Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:22 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

If a high profile NRA member suddenly began a super popular TV show glorifying "outlaw hunting" (aka midnight poaching) you can bet your butt the NRA would try to put as much distance between that member and themselves as possible.

Already addressed this- All NHRA had to do was issue a statement indicating they don't agree with the ***reality TV show*** Street Outlaws and people should attend a real NHRA event to see what all the action is about while quietly working with the Street Outlaw producers to remove any NHRA related signage.

It would have been a win-win for NHRA and Street Outlaws. Instead NHRA shot themselves in the foot and Street Outlaws will rake in the cash.

I for one like the no bs stance they took. Some see it as them shooting themselves in the foot, while others see it as them not compromising what the NHRA stands for. Heck, they issue the license, they can suspend it if the like and what does an outlaw need a comp license for anyway? Lol

And the NHRA was late to their own foot shoot. This is S.O.s 3rd season and they are just now attempting to issue a cease and desist order.

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:27 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

If a high profile NRA member suddenly began a super popular TV show glorifying "outlaw hunting" (aka midnight poaching) you can bet your butt the NRA would try to put as much distance between that member and themselves as possible.

Already addressed this- All NHRA had to do was issue a statement indicating they don't agree with the ***reality TV show*** Street Outlaws and people should attend a real NHRA event to see what all the action is about while quietly working with the Street Outlaw producers to remove any NHRA related signage.

It would have been a win-win for NHRA and Street Outlaws. Instead NHRA shot themselves in the foot and Street Outlaws will rake in the cash.

I for one like the no bs stance they took. Some see it as them shooting themselves in the foot, while others see it as them not compromising what the NHRA stands for. Heck, they issue the license, they can suspend it if the like and what does an outlaw need a comp license for anyway? Lol

How would you feel if your state revoked your license because you have competed in Drag Week, and they deem that unexceptable?

There's nothing illegal about Drag Week. Cars are tagged, and insured and the racing is all done at a drag strip. Now if I was doing something stupid on the street while on Drag Week and the state revoked my license, well then I guess I had it coming didn't I?

Posted By: 67Satty

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:29 PM

Fake as it may or may not be, the show is promoting an illegal activity - street racing. That's NHRA's supposed beef. They may close off roads with the full cooperation of the authorities, but the way the show is put together, they are trying to promote to the gullible TV viewers the idea of illegal street racing.

However, the clause in the NHRA comp license agreement has no language that I've seen quoted that speaks to what a NHRA license holder can and cannot do away from an NHRA event. So the NHRA has probably just created a huge cluster that will do nothing more than give these guys even more publicity and thus do the exact opposite of what the NHRA intended.

Posted By: BradH

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:33 PM

I wonder if the IHRA would take the same stance, if the racers in question were found to be currently active in their organization?

Posted By: CMcAllister

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:38 PM

I'm with NHRA on this one. You want to participate in this stupid s$&*? Take the NHRA identification, numbers, etc, off the car. An NHRA license is a privilege, not a right. I prefer to not be associated with such stupidity.

Posted By: Eric

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:41 PM

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Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 09:59 PM

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Maybe they should come out east and do some running...

Refer back to what I said about costs. They have to get through how many cars to get that money? That fuel and nitrous isn't free, right?

I think they've got a good thing going and there's no reason to mess it up just because some starched shirt opened a can of worms.

Like I said they can get side action if need be. In the last episode the dude with the truck spent a ton of money on the dyno to get it right. I doubt one night at the track is going to set them back much more.
I don't know, even if I had a fast car, I don't see myself dragging my butt out in the middle of the night to run down a narrow street w/ another car 3 feet from my door and some dude w/ a flashlight right between us. To me that doesn't describe smart or fun.
I'd much rather see those guys at a track running it the entire 1/4 mile w/o all the drama.

Posted By: moparniac

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 10:00 PM

The biggest bet so far was $10000 daddy Dave vs tuff enuff

Posted By: slippery440

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 10:06 PM

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[I mean really the biggest bet was $3500. If these guys are so good and fast why not show up at an NHRA event and take the trophy and some serous cash home?

How much could they really make at an NHRA event? I honestly have no idea but know costs have to be higher and suspect the purse for a single win isn't near $3500.

Never forget, they are also paid just for being on the show. That's where the money is.

Some of the pay outs around here on Friday and Sat-nights can get pretty high. Especially for the OPS and Real Street cars. It's 1/8 mile so it's right up their ally. These are heads up events Capitol Raceway has regular top ET payouts of $3000. And of course there is plenty of side action, if one were to need it. May 2nd they have a "Top of the Hill" showdown, $5000.00 top ET class. Maybe they should come out east and do some running...

Mr Yuck I am going to poke you a little. In your words you said " And of course there is plenty of side action if one were to need it" That's illegal and you should be banned from NHRA right????

These guys from Street Outlaws are laughing at NHRA right now. They don't need NHRA.

Posted By: BradH

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 10:12 PM

The NHRA is OK is you're a "reformed" street racer turned "legit" (like at least one of their former Pro Stock Champions), but doesn't want any perceived connection made between street racing and the NHRA in any form.

Not saying they're right or wrong to have taken the stance they have, but throwing out a valid reason for them to get miffed over it.

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 10:34 PM

From Dominators Facebook account. ( 69 Dart )

Dominator
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To post one statement instead of hundreds of replies. no I did not get a letter from NHRA. Because I let my license go 10 years ago. The only time I heard from them was when it was time to pay up! They always looked down their nose at us small people that just loved to race so i got away from them. It's a business for them. They have safety obligations to uphold but in the end it's all business and that means BIG MONEY! You guys need to understand it use to be about the people and getting them off the streets. Over the years it has changed to how dobi get
More than my 800,000.00 dollar salary before bonus's. It's marketing and power. Hundreds of millions of not billions of dollars are made in the car industry and they have a finger in the pie. So it saddens me that the 800,000.00 income isn't enough. I thought that there would be classes created for people like us because the little people out number the big people. But at the end of the day the big people is where they get their money so little people don't matter. This is part what has made me who I am. The little people will suffer from the big people pushing them around. I do understand their stand point of get off the streets I really do. But when it cost me 1,000.00 plus to go watch an event for three days I'm out. Can't justify it. Some people can and will and that's why they make 800,000.00 a year. So congratulations to the high ups of NHRA on their accomplishments.

Posted By: old yeller

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 10:37 PM

And all this time I thought NHRA only cared about John Force.....Seems there just jealous that Some Street Action is getting better ratings then themselves....Street racing is like rock and roll it will never die.....

Posted By: Crizila

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 11:07 PM

Disheartening for me to see how much play this gets on this sight. It's not about how screwed up NHRA is ( and they are). It's about distancing yourself from an illegal and bad thing from almost all respects. This type of programing will not correct NHRA's short comings. If you are a drag racer, you do not want to be associated with "street outlaws". - at least I don't. I'm goofy enough as I am.

Posted By: rowin4

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 11:18 PM

Street racing it is with Farm Truck and Azn"s VW. Even that the cops are in on it. ever try to put a video camera in a cops face durning a traffic stop? I did the street racing thing back in the 60"s when there was no track to go to, a lot of us did. When a local track [ 60 miles away ] was built that was the end for me, but as the street outlaws do, I did go out and test.

Posted By: clonestocker

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 11:22 PM

I was watching I think this show called "Americarna" w/ Ray Everham as the host. He was with Don Prudhomme racing a couple of old street rods side by side down a two lane road. I guess they're only Human. As far as NHRA on the tube. I'll watch sportsman racing (stock, super stock, comp, etc.)all day long if it was on TV.

Posted By: ademon

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 11:37 PM

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And all this time I thought NHRA only cared about John Force.....Seems there just jealous that Some Street Action is getting better ratings then themselves....Street racing is like rock and roll it will never die.....

Everything gets better ratings than NHRA!!! Don't they actually have to pay ESPN for there production cost or something like that?

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 11:41 PM

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[I mean really the biggest bet was $3500. If these guys are so good and fast why not show up at an NHRA event and take the trophy and some serous cash home?

How much could they really make at an NHRA event? I honestly have no idea but know costs have to be higher and suspect the purse for a single win isn't near $3500.

Never forget, they are also paid just for being on the show. That's where the money is.

Some of the pay outs around here on Friday and Sat-nights can get pretty high. Especially for the OPS and Real Street cars. It's 1/8 mile so it's right up their ally. These are heads up events Capitol Raceway has regular top ET payouts of $3000. And of course there is plenty of side action, if one were to need it. May 2nd they have a "Top of the Hill" showdown, $5000.00 top ET class. Maybe they should come out east and do some running...

Mr Yuck I am going to poke you a little. In your words you said " And of course there is plenty of side action if one were to need it" That's illegal and you should be banned from NHRA right???? These guys from Street Outlaws are laughing at NHRA right now. They don't need NHRA.

Oh I don't think NHRA has a leg to stand on here. Unless some of the guys are in some sort of series, and even if so as long as they cover up any NHRA logos/numbers they should be able to do what they like. As far as side action, that's been going on longer than I've been alive. I had a guy buy me a Chilli dog and large iced tea, said he just won $250 on me.. I know what goes down at the track. If those guys want action, they can do it at the track as well. Although some of them might have a hard time passing the NHRA physical I'm guessing.

Posted By: booger

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 11:48 PM

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Although some of them might have a hard time passing the NHRA physical I'm guessing.

Fat guys all around the world are shaking their heads at that comment

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 11:51 PM

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As far as side action, that's been going on longer than I've been alive.

No kidding.

Ever been down the far end of the stands at E-town? Bunch of guys with handfuls of money betting on everything going down the track.

Hilarious conversation I had with one when he found out I was the guy with the beat looking Dart. Apparently he made some money off my cars worn looking exterior.

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/18/15 11:59 PM

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[I mean really the biggest bet was $3500. If these guys are so good and fast why not show up at an NHRA event and take the trophy and some serous cash home?

How much could they really make at an NHRA event? I honestly have no idea but know costs have to be higher and suspect the purse for a single win isn't near $3500.

Never forget, they are also paid just for being on the show. That's where the money is.

Some of the pay outs around here on Friday and Sat-nights can get pretty high. Especially for the OPS and Real Street cars. It's 1/8 mile so it's right up their ally. These are heads up events Capitol Raceway has regular top ET payouts of $3000. And of course there is plenty of side action, if one were to need it. May 2nd they have a "Top of the Hill" showdown, $5000.00 top ET class. Maybe they should come out east and do some running...

Non of those events you listed have a single pass worth $3500. Also the race in Chicago was $10,000. How many times does it need to be said there cars are set up for the street not the track.

It's a shame nhra who is struggling in ratings would want to piss off a ton of people enjoying the show and potential people to get in to there events. Now they have turned off the casual fan with this move. I need to look into getting my IHRA lisence and car certed by them.

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 12:15 AM

"Non of those events you listed have a single pass worth $3500. Also the race in Chicago was $10,000. How many times does it need to be said there cars are set up for the street not the track."

That can be done at the track and I suspect it has been. PLUS you could end up w/ some SWAG a trophy and some additional cha ching at the track. They hold grudge races almost every Friday night. What people bet is on them. I guess I'm spoiled because I live w/in 1.5 hours of 4 tracks.

Posted By: 68shifter

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 12:24 AM

Kudos to NHRA. They do a lot of things that don't make much sense. But they had to do something here.

To say this is a rights violation is a stretch. It's a privelege. And I highly doubt NHRA ever takes the action to suspend these guys. Even if they do they could still show up to most anywhere and still race. NHRA brass won't bd policing every member track.

Too, this wasn't an off the cuff decision. I'm sure they experienced a lot of political pressure as it "appears" they support illegal racing. Ford, Chevy, Mopar, AAA, etc... You think they don't have pull in this decision.

Be safe this year.

Posted By: 68shifter

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 12:27 AM

I'll add too, Winternats viewing was up 30% for Tv ratings. Take a look at pre-entries. Stock and super categories are full. People attending the events are up. The pro fields are full, yeah they may not be at 20+ like years past. But in years past cars 12-20 whatever wouldn't run within 2-3tenths.

NHRA isn't hurting as bad as you think, and nowhere near what nascar is.

Posted By: D-50

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 01:07 AM

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I would tell them so what, pull them.....

Cant say that IF they run any NHRA tracks

I would not run at NHRA tracks if they think they can tell you what to do.....

Then YOU or THEM wouldnt be running at any NHRA track..
if you run SUB 10.0...as usual its their rules..
as much as I hate it(and them)

I have been racing since the early 80's and at 8-9 different tracks and have never been teched or ask for a NHRA license.If I was I would just race at a different track. There are plenty tracks to race at.

Posted By: CHAPPER

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 01:51 AM

Why hasn't Monte given us all the answer to this puzzle?? He is involved with all of them..??

Posted By: justinp61

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 01:53 AM

I haven't street raced in years but I do watch SO when I'm off. I just turn on my BS filter, like on most web sites. IMO the nhra needs to sweep their own door step. Where was everyone when AJ got his DUI, the nhra didn't pull his license. The last I knew driving drunk was dangerous too, and AJ wasn't on a blocked off street.

Honestly, what do the cars we see racing on tv at a nhra event have in common with the cars most people have in their driveways? Not much with mine. Like some have mentioned I'd watch the stock and SS over the pro's if they were on tv. I like the cars on street outlaws, I can identify with them, the nhra no so much.

Posted By: D-50

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 02:02 AM

Doc (The blue Monte Carlo) said on another web sight that he got his letter yesterday and he does not care what NHRA says.He did use alot more graphic language than that though.

Posted By: Cudajon

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 02:08 AM

All of these cars have raced at Thunder valley or Tulsa at one time or another. The first time I saw farm truck was at T.V. before S.O. I was impressed. Although I think street racing is not very bright everybody has done it at one time or another if only a few feet out from a stoplight. You think all those SRT's and Hellcats will go to a track to test their power. Yeah right.

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 02:30 AM

http://www.dragzine.com/news/south-georgia-motorsports-park-joins-ihra/

Posted By: CHAPPER

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 03:10 AM

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Posted By: CMcAllister

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 03:25 AM

NHRA was founded on getting racing off the street. They have distanced themselves from that image, insisted on making the terms "street racing" and "drag racing" mean 2 very different things and are protective of the image that's taken them decades to develop.

It's simple. They don't want their stickers or any identification associating them with any car participating in that crap.

Do you guys work for a company? Do they have uniforms or shirts with their name on them? How would they like it if you showed up on COPS busted for DUI wearing their logo?

Pull the stickers off and stop being a d#$%. I'd throw them out too.

Posted By: Joshs68

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 03:28 AM

If you want to legislate morality you cannot pick and choose. It would be complete discrimination to do anything else.

Posted By: CMcAllister

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 03:34 AM

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If you want to legislate morality you cannot pick and choose. It would be complete discrimination to do anything else.

Private organization with codes of conduct, just like this forum. Try to say or do something against the rules here or that goes against the culture and what will happen?

There are paragraphs of legalese in the rulebook spelling out that NHRA owns the name and logos. Teams are only allowed to use it "in connection with NHRA racing and events..." Every company in the world is protective of how their logo is used. It's not rocket science.

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 03:39 AM

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If you want to legislate morality you cannot pick and choose. It would be complete discrimination to do anything else.

Private organization with codes of conduct, just like this forum. Try to say or do something against the rules here or that goes against the culture and what will happen?

apparently nothing..... Doc is posting again.

Posted By: CHAPPER

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 03:44 AM

Also a 'non-profit orginization'.....

Posted By: Sixpak

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 03:46 AM

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Private organization with codes of conduct, just like this forum. Try to say or do something against the rules here or that goes against the culture and what will happen?

apparently nothing..... Doc is posting again.

NHRA is just helping themselves become more and more irrelevant by this move. No win situation....

Oh and that YouTube video? Einfach Herrlich!

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 04:39 AM

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"Non of those events you listed have a single pass worth $3500. Also the race in Chicago was $10,000. How many times does it need to be said there cars are set up for the street not the track."

That can be done at the track and I suspect it has been. PLUS you could end up w/ some SWAG a trophy and some additional cha ching at the track. They hold grudge races almost every Friday night. What people bet is on them. I guess I'm spoiled because I live w/in 1.5 hours of 4 tracks.

Now you have them going to a grudge night which is what they do already. That's not your nhra event like you suggested or a true street event. SMH

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 04:40 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41gSRYzK2yg

It is hilarious.

Actually I'd rather watch the NHRA and did this weekend, they even had the lower classes running on ESPN2 3 or 4 can't recall. Much better than watching Donkeys trying to wreck their 100k+ car on some dark narrow back road for $500. I mean really the biggest bet was $3500. If these guys are so good and fast why not show up at an NHRA event and take the trophy and some serous cash home?

To refresh your memory. See post above.

Posted By: D-50

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 04:43 AM

Three of the main people on Street Outlaws that got a letter from NHRA has posted on yellowbullet that they do not have a NHRA license and they could not care less what they think.
There is already a facebook page named NHRA sucks, I think NHRA has done themselves more harm than good.

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Posted By: Joshs68

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 06:36 AM

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If you want to legislate morality you cannot pick and choose. It would be complete discrimination to do anything else.

Private organization with codes of conduct, just like this forum. Try to say or do something against the rules here or that goes against the culture and what will happen?

There are paragraphs of legalese in the rulebook spelling out that NHRA owns the name and logos. Teams are only allowed to use it "in connection with NHRA racing and events..." Every company in the world is protective of how their logo is used. It's not rocket science.

Yeah...not rocket science if you don't totally miss the point of the post.

Posted By: 72N96RR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 06:44 AM

We in Michigan have been terrified that the Amish Mafia will take over the Midwest any day now..

This IS just a TV show staged for your entertainment...Real or not...

NHRA will come out of this looking very
foolish...Or maybe its on purpose to get people to return watching drag racing...

Posted By: Jeepmon

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:21 AM

The part I dont understand is NHRA is quoting section 1.3.1 Participant Code...

"Participants at an event are expected, at all times, to conduct themselves in a professional and non-disruptive manner......"

The problem I see is Street Outlaws and their competitors is not at a NHRA sanction event, therefore how can they (NHRA) claim any jurisdiction ?

Posted By: hemid68

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:29 AM

Hey, how about leaving Tony Stewart out of this. Not funny!

Posted By: 8secDart

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:41 AM

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Hey, how about leaving Tony Stewart out of this. Not funny!

I just copied it from FB. I got a laugh out of it.

Posted By: qwkmopardan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 08:52 AM

"If these guys are so good and fast why not show up at an NHRA event and take the trophy and some serous cash home?"

Really serious cash home from an NHRA event. You pay $300+ to run for $1200. NHRA is like a bunch of greedy whores. I will love to see the day they go under. You can win serious cash at NHRA tracks but that cash had nothing to do with NHRA, it has to do with a good promoter, which if it does not involve Nitro Methane, NHRA is not. NHRA cares nothing about us little guys except for grabbing our cash for Chassis certs, License renewals, etc. Not to mention how many perfectly good seat belts I have been made to take out and replace. Outlaw tracks or IHRA tracks are plentiful. NHRA can read this and pull my license as well.

The Hitler video on You Tube is very funny.

Posted By: racerx

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 01:11 PM

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"If these guys are so good and fast why not show up at an NHRA event and take the trophy and some serous cash home?"

Really serious cash home from an NHRA event. You pay $300+ to run for $1200. NHRA is like a bunch of greedy whores. I will love to see the day they go under. You can win serious cash at NHRA tracks but that cash had nothing to do with NHRA, it has to do with a good promoter, which if it does not involve Nitro Methane, NHRA is not. NHRA cares nothing about us little guys except for grabbing our cash for Chassis certs, License renewals, etc. Not to mention how many perfectly good seat belts I have been made to take out and replace. Outlaw tracks or IHRA tracks are plentiful. NHRA can read this and pull my license as well.

The Hitler video on You Tube is very funny.

I truly

I guess that's why you see a lot of spectators at these grudge event people just wants to see some racing

Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 01:37 PM

They don't show up and race at track events because their cars are set up to run on the STREET. Completely different chassis and suspension set ups. If they just showed up at a track event where it was prepped, they would have such severe tire shake the car would come apart.

Also, watching the show, I don't recall seeing and NHRA decals, hats, shirts, etc, that would lead me to think they were involved with the NHRA.

Posted By: bigdad

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 02:42 PM

I was told that not only did they send letters to the people "street racing"

But, to the people that have been providing shirts and banners and stickers, etc

" sponsors" and telling them they need to pull back too or else

Posted By: A/MP

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 02:42 PM

Just like every BIG organization, they always loose the true path. As per the recent issue of National Dragster- why doesn't the NHRA fix the D.O.T. problems that racers face? Why don't they fix the IRS problems for racers? Why does NHRA payouts stink? Promotions of local or national events is poor. Why does NHRA keep renewing their contract with ESPN? Are they really promoting drag racing or just themselves? Street racing is not safe and illegal. This shows has many followers. These are all potential racers or spectators. Use it. If you remember "Big Willie" from LA, you know that he was a street racer and worked hard for a strip in LA. NHRA embraced him in addition to all the racers that got their start street racing and had great careers. So what's the problem?

Posted By: Eric

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 03:18 PM

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How much could they really make at an NHRA event? I honestly have no idea but know costs have to be higher and suspect the purse for a single win isn't near $3500.

Never forget, they are also paid just for being on the show. That's where the money is.

Back in the good old days (early 2000's) even at an IHRA National event a win in a sportsman class could net 10k or better with contingencies. I know thats not a fact in IHRA anymore but I believe a NHRA win with a decent amount of stickers still pays pretty well. Al might know the answer to that.

Posted By: dOc !

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 03:38 PM

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http://www.dragzine.com/news/street-outlaw-producers-seeking-talent-for-detroit-spinoff-show/

The Monkey OUTlaws coming to the Big D area ? ... uNless the racing action has massively changed there ... they BEST change their racing format.

I don't think they allow massive flood lights, porta johns and hot dog stands out on 696 or 275 !!

.... and what are these talks with Milan Dragway ? .... now THEY have hot-dog-stands !!

At least this is what my GrandPa told me ... since I was born in 1976 !

Posted By: toplescuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 03:56 PM

Nhra posted why its dangerous to street race....showing a car on its side. And can kill. But no where did they say anything about the nhra pres. Having a dui. And the affects it has doing so on a public road in traffic

Posted By: fullmetaljacket

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 04:08 PM

Thousands more DUI's everyday in comparison to Street racing.

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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 04:18 PM

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Just like every BIG organization, they always loose the true path. As per the recent issue of National Dragster- why doesn't the NHRA fix the D.O.T. problems that racers face? Why don't they fix the IRS problems for racers? Why does NHRA payouts stink? Promotions of local or national events is poor. Why does NHRA keep renewing their contract with ESPN? Are they really promoting drag racing or just themselves? Street racing is not safe and illegal. This shows has many followers. These are all potential racers or spectators. Use it. If you remember "Big Willie" from LA, you know that he was a street racer and worked hard for a strip in LA. NHRA embraced him in addition to all the racers that got their start street racing and had great careers. So what's the problem?

Now there you go! If NHRA would do for its members like NRA does for theirs I would buy a lifetime membership today--
We have all faced with being pulled over by some cop that has an odd understanding of DMV laws
and having to pay a lawyer to explain to that cop what they really are in court--lets see--days off work/lost pay/ pay fine anyway to just get the heck out of court and back to work
Ugh--you can't transport that fuel jug--well Yes I can in my state--you get the idea

Yea....protest the NHRA to actually DO something for the many members with DMV and IRS Fantastic idea!!!!! Best idea on this silly post

It is TV!!!! That means it is all BS!!!

BTW--got my new dragster certed--at local chassis shop--NHRA tech guy drove in ( he was Brand New ) and was supposed to split travel cost between the number of cars--well..we had three times as many cars as they thought--like 16-18 so we ALL paid an amount as if there were only 6 cars--he got rich that night

Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 04:48 PM

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Nhra posted why its dangerous to street race....showing a car on its side. And can kill. But no where did they say anything about the nhra pres. Having a dui. And the affects it has doing so on a public road in traffic

Steve Grebeck, Racin Jason, Don Carlton, Lee Shepard, and many more have crashed cars an died on NHRA tracks.

Posted By: toplescuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 05:15 PM

True. How many die each year as a result from a dui on the public street? Which the nhra president has on his record (.09) he wants to pull the street outlaws guys license for that. But yet what he has done is far worse
I bet he still has HIS license. ....

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 05:48 PM

For those who care, from the horse mouth so to speak. Remember a comp license is a PRIVELEDGE NOT A RIGHT. If you do not like the rules/conditions of membership and the responsibility of owning a license you are welcome to not participate.

http://www.hotrod.com/news/nhra-responds-to-the-hate-over-their-street-outlaws-letter/

Posted By: Jeepmon

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 06:00 PM

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For those who care, from the horse mouth so to speak. Remember a comp license is a PRIVELEDGE NOT A RIGHT. If you do not like the rules/conditions of membership and the responsibility of owning a license you are welcome to not participate.

http://www.hotrod.com/news/nhra-responds-to-the-hate-over-their-street-outlaws-letter/

Just like a state issued Drivers License...

Posted By: toplescuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 06:51 PM

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For those who care, from the horse mouth so to speak. Remember a comp license is a PRIVELEDGE NOT A RIGHT. If you do not like the rules/conditions of membership and the responsibility of owning a license you are welcome to not participate.

http://www.hotrod.com/news/nhra-responds-to-the-hate-over-their-street-outlaws-letter/

Just like a state issued Drivers License...

Noooooo $&*#....

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 06:51 PM

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For those who care, from the horse mouth so to speak. Remember a comp license is a PRIVELEDGE NOT A RIGHT.

Please cite what section of the NHRA rulebook they are violating.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 06:59 PM

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Just like a state issued Drivers License...

Which has clearly defined rules as to how you can lose it. Even then they are optional if you have a good lawyer who can get it plead down to something else.

Explain to me how street outlaws are in violation the NHRA rulebook?

The short answer is they are not, what is going on is not happening at an NHRA event or even a NHRA facility. The show is shot with full cooperation of the local police and town officials.

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:08 PM

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For those who care, from the horse mouth so to speak. Remember a comp license is a PRIVELEDGE NOT A RIGHT.

Please cite what section of the NHRA rulebook they are violating.

The letter cited the rule. In this situation NHRA holds all the marbles and can interpret it as they wish. How you, Al or I interpret it doesn't mean squat.

Street racing (however real or fake) does our hobby no favors with those in our knee-jerk govt who would LOVE for us all to be driving Toyota Prius's. That is the bigger picture here. The NHRA knows it and the SO's don't care as long as they get their thrill.

Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:17 PM

I used to think that most members of this forum were pretty smart (and they were years ago). I am reconsidering after reading the replies to this post. And that's all I have to say about this.

Posted By: toplescuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:29 PM

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For those who care, from the horse mouth so to speak. Remember a comp license is a PRIVELEDGE NOT A RIGHT.

Please cite what section of the NHRA rulebook they are violating.

Street racing (however real or fake) does our hobby no favors with those in our knee-jerk govt who would LOVE for us all to be driving Toyota Prius's. That is the bigger picture here. The NHRA knows it and the SO's don't care as long as they get their thrill.

I think part that is false. The show HAS got many people into the ideal of at least having some type of hot rod that befor never considerd a car/truck anything more then a way back and forth to work. I have a neph. That now wants to buy my 69 satellite tubb it and put a procharged hemi into and take to car show. Mostly because of the street outlaw show. Which up to bout 3 weeks ago (because of me) he had never even heard of the show. Im sure hes not the only one...

Posted By: d-150

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:35 PM

cause of this i think i will pass on gaineville this year

Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:39 PM

No matter which side of this issue you stand on, the NHRA should not have waited 3 years to take action on this.

And I would think that there would have been better ways to approach it. Because right or wrong, the reaction to the NHRA's actions has been overwhelmingly negative.

They may well win the battle but lose the war on this one.

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:39 PM

These guys will not be the first or last to have had their licenses suspended for off track behavior.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:42 PM

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The letter cited the rule.

I posted the letter the other day, it states no such rule.

The rule cited pertains to actions at NHRA events which clearly S.O. is not.

If NHRA can state Street Outlaws is in violation of their rules then every single wife beater, felon, DUI is just as guilty and must lose their license as well.

Can't have it both ways.

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:48 PM

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I think part that is false. The show HAS got many people into the ideal of at least having some type of hot rod that befor never considerd a car/truck anything more then a way back and forth to work. I have a neph. That now wants to buy my 69 satellite tubb it and put a procharged hemi into and take to car show. Mostly because of the street outlaw show. Which up to bout 3 weeks ago (because of me) he had never even heard of the show. Im sure hes not the only one...

You're missing it still. I did not say SO's does not bring new people into the hobby, I'm sure it does.

The point is, our hobby (hot rodding, racing, modifying cars as we wish) is always under the threat of "something", beit laws that outlaw nitrous systems in street cars, laws that forbid engine swaps or vehicle modifications, etc. The glorification of street racing only serves to further burnish the opinions of those that would love to continue to push their anti-racing/hotrodding/whatever agenda on the rest of us.

Posted By: jcc

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:49 PM

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For those who care, from the horse mouth so to speak. Remember a comp license is a PRIVELEDGE NOT A RIGHT. If you do not like the rules/conditions of membership and the responsibility of owning a license you are welcome to not participate.

http://www.hotrod.com/news/nhra-responds-to-the-hate-over-their-street-outlaws-letter/

Just like a state issued Drivers License...

Noooooo $&*#....

There are people that believe freedom of movement (driving) in this country is a right, not a privilege, even though our forefathers didn't enumerate it beyond a horse 240? years ago. And most seem to forget that other rights can be restricted if you don't follow the rules ( like robbery). The reason the difference is important, taking away a right requires one have their day in court to face their accuser, removing a privilege is as simple as the stroke of a pen, or typing on a keyboard.

http://www.realtruth.biz/driving/supremecourt.htm

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:52 PM

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The letter cited the rule.

I posted the letter the other day, it states no such rule.

The rule cited pertains to actions at NHRA events which clearly S.O. is not.

If NHRA can state Street Outlaws is in violation of their rules then every single wife beater, felon, DUI is just as guilty and must lose their license as well.

Can't have it both ways.

A felony might not be a issue BUT having a legal
license does so if you have a DUI and found guilty
and they pull your license then its a issue

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 07:57 PM

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The letter cited the rule.

I posted the letter the other day, it states no such rule.

The rule cited pertains to actions at NHRA events which clearly S.O. is not.

If NHRA can state Street Outlaws is in violation of their rules then every single wife beater, felon, DUI is just as guilty and must lose their license as well.

Can't have it both ways.

Sure they can. They make the rules, they enforce the rules, they can interpret the rules as they see fit. They are judge, jury and executioner and are rightfully so.

The offenses you state are ridiculous and have no bearing on the sport of drag racing whatsoever. None of those things, however heinous, reflect poorly on the NHRA as an organization or violate the ethos of the NHRA.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 08:00 PM

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A felony might not be a issue BUT having a legal
license does so if you have a DUI and found guilty
and they pull your license then its a issue

Please cite what laws Street Outlaw participants have broken where they are filming?

The show is shot with the full cooperation of local police and town officials.

NHRA can't have it both ways. They can't dictate what people do in their private life no matter how distasteful.

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand NHRA's point of view. They however miscalculated backlash from racing fans. I have already sent a letter to them and the local tracks stating why I will not be attending any events at NHRA tracks this year.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 08:09 PM

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A felony might not be a issue BUT having a legal
license does so if you have a DUI and found guilty
and they pull your license then its a issue

Please cite what laws Street Outlaw participants have broken where they are filming?

The show is shot with the full cooperation of local police and town officials.

NHRA can't have it both ways. They can't dictate what people do in their private life no matter how distasteful.

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand NHRA's point of view. They however miscalculated backlash from racing fans. I have already sent a letter to them and the local tracks stating why I will not be attending any events at NHRA tracks this year.

All I am saying is about the license issue... not
all felonies take away your license.. you posted
wife beaters... I dont think the NHRA cares.. sure
they may not like it.. but it does state you need a
legal drivers license

Posted By: Big Squeeze

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 08:37 PM

What's ironic and I haven't seen anyone mention is that NHRA is big on keeping racers off the street but now are saying that if you street race (or promote street racing by being on a TV show and are LEGALLY street racing) and you actually want to come race LEGALLY at one of their tracks, you can't....

Talk about making no sense!!!!

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 08:37 PM

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All I am saying is about the license issue... not
all felonies take away your license.. you posted
wife beaters... I dont think the NHRA cares.. sure
they may not like it.. but it does state you need a
legal drivers license

You missed the point- NHRA is trying to punish members for behavior performed outside of NHRA events.

In this case the members in question are doing nothing illegal.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 08:46 PM

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All I am saying is about the license issue... not
all felonies take away your license.. you posted
wife beaters... I dont think the NHRA cares.. sure
they may not like it.. but it does state you need a
legal drivers license

You missed the point- NHRA is trying to punish members for behavior performed outside of NHRA events.

In this case the members in question are doing nothing illegal.

No I didnt miss it.. and I think they over stepped
their bounds but I also understand that they dont
condone street racing and in the show its "portrayed"
to be illegal which can promote illegal street racing
which NHRA is against .... just saying

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 08:53 PM

this is why many of us are who we are.

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Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 08:57 PM

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No I didnt miss it.. and I think they over stepped
their bounds but I also understand that they dont
condone street racing and in the show its "portrayed"
to be illegal which can promote illegal street racing
which NHRA is against .... just saying

Then we are in agreement.

As stated I understand their point of view and think they stepped in it in a bad way.

It is now a PR nightmare for them and a bonanza for Discovery Channel.

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 08:58 PM

and another

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Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 08:58 PM

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this is why many of us are who we are.

Yeah I know... I grew up on Woodward and I did my
fair share of illegal street racing back then... I
also quit doing it after I lost my license... now days
I wouldnt even think of doing it.. I have a lot more
to loose now days

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 09:02 PM

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this is why many of us are who we are.

Yeah I know... I grew up on Woodward and I did my
fair share of illegal street racing back then... I
also quit doing it after I lost my license... now days
I wouldnt even think of doing it.. I have a lot more
to loose now days

I did it every night of the week. do I do it now, well, a supercharged BMW idiot thought he had something for me a month ago, right in front of the police station I smoked him

Posted By: camastomcat

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 09:03 PM

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this is why many of us are who we are.

Very true, but after many close calls at a young age and seeing the bad things that can and do happen street racing, some of us grew out of it. I watch the show as a way to get my racing jones satisfied in the off season. The first time one of these dummies gets killed, and it will happen eventually, I'm out. I would rather see them do it on an unprepared race track, there are plenty of those around, JMO.
I'm also not a big fan of how the NHRA treats us like cattle and siphons money out of it's members for no value, but I see and support their point in this instance. Again, JMO

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 09:06 PM

nother one

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Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 09:11 PM

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Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 09:17 PM

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this is why many of us are who we are.

Very true, but after many close calls at a young age and seeing the bad things that can and do happen street racing, some of us grew out of it. I watch the show as a way to get my racing jones satisfied in the off season. The first time one of these dummies gets killed, and it will happen eventually, I'm out. I would rather see them do it on an unprepared race track, there are plenty of those around, JMO.
I'm also not a big fan of how the NHRA treats us like cattle and siphons money out of it's members for no value, but I see and support their point in this instance. Again, JMO

all kids do stupid s*&!. They will still do stupid S^%! regardless if the NHRA was here or not. Todays kids don't even bother, they race on the computer with headphones on

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 09:21 PM

Its real easy for us oldtimers to sit back and say you shouldn't do this or you shouldn't do that. But most of us that have been in this game long enough got our start on the streets. Heck we lined them up 5 maybe 6 nights a week. At one of our races on a local expressway 54 cars raced on one evening. We had people pull over and watch and say I didn't know guys still did this and said they were coming back with their car that has been backed into a garage space sitting there. The local cops approached us with a few suggestions and thanked us for not racing in the city limits. The State police did some checking into the local racing for several weeks one time in response to some phone calls then went back to more important issues. This went on for me from the early 1970's into the 80's then I went full-time track racing. What really hurts are the idiots that race from red light to red light and bring innocent victims into it.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 09:30 PM

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Heck we lined them up 5 maybe 6 nights a week.

Guilty as charged, would do it all over again without changing a thing.

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The local cops approached us with a few suggestions and thanked us for not racing in the city limits.

The local cops were in on it here but to not that extent. We would take our business out to the state highway access road and come back on the local roads.

We would listen to them talk about us on the police scanner.

P.S. I sugarcoat nothing to my three kids, they are well aware of my past. Matter of fact there is video tape and they have SEEN me racing. They are also told it (street racing) isn't the wisest course of action and paid the price with steel bracelets, exorbitant points on my license and astronomical fees for insurance.

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 09:31 PM

This is NHRA's way of trying to get back the piece of pie they feel they have lost to street racing. Their tactics suck, they can shove it in their a$$ IMO. America is a country of freedom last I checked, and yes our government would love everyone in Prius's, the NHRA wants everyone only to drag race at their tracks period. That is socialist CONTROL mentality, you can do whatever you want as long as it is within "law". If wasn't for outlaws this country wouldn't even exist.....we would be answering to the Queen or speaking German or Russian.

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 09:39 PM

Im just going to sit here and read a 80s magazine

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Posted By: theraif

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 09:44 PM

wow 5 pages maybe its just a pr stunt lol

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 09:57 PM

We still have a big issue of street racing in Detroit
at night.. and with the streets lined with people..
there have been times when a hand full of people were
killed and injured when the guy lost control of the
car and mowed down a bunch of people.. thats when the
cops show up for a week or so(usually they just move
the races to another location)... but it seems that
every summer its the same thing

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 10:01 PM

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We still have a big issue of street racing in Detroit
at night.. and with the streets lined with people..
there have been times when a hand full of people were
killed and injured when the guy lost control of the
car and mowed down a bunch of people.. thats when the
cops show up for a week or so(usually they just move
the races to another location)... but it seems that
every summer its the same thing

you cant fix stupid. people lining up down the street is not something we ever did. You must admit, the intelligence levels are on the decline, and Im stupid

Posted By: Gary Robbins

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 10:02 PM

web page

Chief with some straight talk !!

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 10:11 PM

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We still have a big issue of street racing in Detroit
at night.. and with the streets lined with people..
there have been times when a hand full of people were
killed and injured when the guy lost control of the
car and mowed down a bunch of people.. thats when the
cops show up for a week or so(usually they just move
the races to another location)... but it seems that
every summer its the same thing

you cant fix stupid. people lining up down the street is not something we ever did. You must admit, the intelligence levels are on the decline, and Im stupid

There was enough people that they lined up a couple
deep.. and always trying to look past the guys next
to them so they get out farther and farther.. then
if something goes wrong they cant even get back quick
enough with people behind them.. the few times I went
to watch I put a good sized tree between the car and
me... but it got so crazy I quit going down there
(the shootings that went along with all the stupidity)

Posted By: Twostick

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 10:15 PM

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wow 5 pages maybe its just a pr stunt lol

I said earlier that I won't be surprised if this is worked into a future SO storyline.

The show has been on for 3 years and they are just now raising objections?

Me thinks they doth protest too much...

Kevin

Posted By: Eric

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 10:44 PM

I did my share of street racing.... 12-14 second cars, not what is out there now. Thats the difference folks. It's easy to wad up a 7-8 second ride..especially on the street. That and there are plenty of people who can't drive what they bought or built...just look at the Hellcat. I watch it...because it has cars...but I don't agree with the premise. At least not at my age..lol.

Posted By: skicker

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 11:07 PM

I don't really have a "dog in this fight"...I've never had an NHRA license and doubt I ever will.
Years back we used to do a good bit of street racing but it was never when there were a bunch of people around.
From an outsiders point of view I can't see how NHRA can dictate what you do when not at an NHRA event.
I like watching SO when I catch it...once you sort thru the BS it is entertaining.
I can't honestly tell you the last time I sat down to watch the NHRA.
The few friends I know that do race regularly all complain about the enormous amount of money and BS that goes on.
Again from the outside looking in...if I put you on the trailer this round and you can buy back in only to race me again that to me looks like a money grab.
If I'm wrong straighten me out...again I'm on the outside looking in and this is what I've seen.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 11:14 PM

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I don't really have a "dog in this fight"...I've never had an NHRA license and doubt I ever will.
Years back we used to do a good bit of street racing but it was never when there were a bunch of people around.
From an outsiders point of view I can't see how NHRA can dictate what you do when not at an NHRA event.
I like watching SO when I catch it...once you sort thru the BS it is entertaining.
I can't honestly tell you the last time I sat down to watch the NHRA.
The few friends I know that do race regularly all complain about the enormous amount of money and BS that goes on.
Again from the outside looking in...if I put you on the trailer this round and you can buy back in only to race me again that to me looks like a money grab.
If I'm wrong straighten me out...again I'm on the outside looking in and this is what I've seen.

BUY BACKS are a track thing... the NHRA has nothing
to do with that and as far as I know they DONT have
buy backs at any NHRA event

Posted By: skicker

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 11:16 PM

Thx Mike...

Posted By: Adobedude

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 11:23 PM

Having had the entire side of my Ram taken out and my wife injured by a street racer running a red light, I support ANYTHING, ANYONE can do to try to put an end to this crap.

No one will ever change my mind.

Posted By: old yeller

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 11:25 PM

Street Racing paid for my babies shoes,diapers,and food(they got there milk from there ma ma)Its none of the NHRA business where a person race's at....Its between you and the judge(if caught).....

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 11:28 PM

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nother one

please tell us you had a mullet

Posted By: dagohman

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/19/15 11:51 PM

NHRA claimed the issue was their comp numbers and NHRA stickers being seen on TV.
I'd bet several watchers don't even know what the numbers mean, and stickers can be blurred.
It would have been easier for NHRA to ask Discovery to blur numbers and logos.
If they can blur butts and boobs on naked and afraid, logos should not be an issue........

Posted By: BradH

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 12:01 AM

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web page

Chief with some straight talk !!

And this quote from the people who did the interview is exactly the sort of thing that makes the NHRA's collective head want to explode:

"We love the show and what it has done for the drag racing community in general. You guys are bringing grudge racing into the spotlight, showing a lot of people a side of drag racing that was not often seen. I think it�s great what you guys have done for the sport."

Posted By: CHAPPER

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 12:32 AM

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Quote:

web page

Chief with some straight talk !!

And this quote from the people who did the interview is exactly the sort of thing that makes the NHRA's collective head want to explode:

"We love the show and what it has done for the drag racing community in general. You guys are bringing grudge racing into the spotlight, showing a lot of people a side of drag racing that was not often seen. I think it�s great what you guys have done for the sport."

I think IHRA gets it....has anybody looked at the Motor Mania TV coverage of 'Lights Out' at SGMP??? It just went off awhile ago,,be back on Friday - Sat - Sun.

Posted By: Twostick

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 12:40 AM

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NHRA claimed the issue was their comp numbers and NHRA stickers being seen on TV.
I'd bet several watchers don't even know what the numbers mean, and stickers can be blurred.
It would have been easier for NHRA to ask Discovery to blur numbers and logos.
If they can blur butts and boobs on naked and afraid, logos should not be an issue........

Which begs the question, why then aren't they blurred?

Usually the way this works is the owner of the trademark pays a fee to have their trademarks displayed or they get blurred. No free advertising on TV.

The other scenario is if the trademark can be used to promote the show somehow, then the money flows the other way or the TM holder signs a release giving the show permission to use it ie for mutual benefit. No release, blurred logos.

One phone call from NHRA makes the logo get blurred so?

Kevin

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 01:08 AM

Doc posted on the bullet, that nhra approached Pilgram Productions in season 2ish wanting a cut of the pie and Pilgrim told them to stuff it, GTFO.

If true, it's a woman (nhra) scorned type deal. Nice retaliatory actions.

Posted By: Twostick

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 01:39 AM

Quote:

Doc posted on the bullet, that nhra approached Pilgram Productions in season 2ish wanting a cut of the pie and Pilgrim told them to stuff it, GTFO.

If true, it's a woman (nhra) scorned type deal. Nice retaliatory actions.

If that is true it kinda blows their it's all about anti street racing position out of the water.

Just another hooker didn't get paid pi$$ing match.

Kevin

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 02:47 AM

Quote:

Doc posted on the bullet, that nhra approached Pilgram Productions in season 2ish wanting a cut of the pie and Pilgrim told them to stuff it, GTFO.

If true, it's a woman (nhra) scorned type deal. Nice retaliatory actions.

I find this hard to believe being its dead set against
their main format.... BUT anything can happen for a BUCK

Posted By: rowin4

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 04:02 AM

All that NHRA would have had to do is send the letter saying that they NHRA disproves of promoting street racing and that the racers should remove the NHRA decal and numbers from any of the race cars. Simple enough. I think every one could see their point. Now it's blown all out of proportion , were going to pull your license, were not going to let you run a NHRA tracks, were not going to let you run at NHRA tracks even if you don't belong to NHRA. That being said, what about CHUCK? I think he's the guy that wears the KICKER shirt all the time. Is KICKER a sponsor of his? do they { KICKER ] promote street racing? Just a though, who else wears the same shirt in each show.

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 05:26 AM

Maybe the guy with the DUI was under the influence when typing those letters

Posted By: 72N96RR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 06:23 AM

Quote:

Doc posted on the bullet, that nhra approached Pilgram Productions in season 2ish wanting a cut of the pie and Pilgrim told them to stuff it, GTFO.

If true, it's a woman (nhra) scorned type deal. Nice retaliatory actions.

If that statement is true then all the grey areas are filled in nicely...The almighty dollar has spoken..

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 06:42 AM

I see this as a attention getter on the SO guys. If I had gotten this letter from NHRA I would not have posted it on the interweb. I would have just sent it to my laywer. Seems all of the internet nuthuggers are doing just what they want you to do, TUNE in and get them more ratings.

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 09:33 AM

Read Murillo's interview. These guys knew this was coming and chose to ignore it.

Posted By: BradH

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 03:22 PM

Quote:

Read Murillo's interview. These guys knew this was coming and chose to ignore it.

Got a link for that?

Posted By: booger

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 03:25 PM

Google sez http://www.dragzine.com/news/heads-up-racer-mike-murillo-address-nhras-letter-to-street-outlaws/

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 04:51 PM

Who watches this show a lot... have you EVER seen any
NHRA logo appear on the show... this could be NHRA
shot across the bow then sue someone on logo rights

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 04:59 PM

Quote:

Who watches this show a lot... have you EVER seen any
NHRA logo appear on the show... this could be NHRA
shot across the bow then sue someone on logo rights

I don't recall seeing any NHRA logo, but I did see them with comp numbers on some of the cars. I found that odd, but 95% of the people watching probably had no clue what they were.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 05:16 PM

Quote:

Read Murillo's interview. These guys knew this was coming and chose to ignore it.

Eh?

An offhand question or two from an unnamed NHRA track official at a now closed track means little if anything. This guy isn't a producer who knows what goes on backstage between parties.

Take it with a grain of salt.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 06:07 PM

Quote:

Who watches this show a lot... have you EVER seen any
NHRA logo appear on the show... this could be NHRA
shot across the bow then sue someone on logo rights

yes I have

Posted By: maximum entropy

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 06:12 PM

as a proud erstwhile member of the nhra, this doesn't bother me one bit. i enjoy my car now, more than ever, despite having expired harnesses, and no locking transmission dipstick. the only dues i pay are registration and insurance.

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 06:23 PM

I am very glad both of my local tracks are IHRA but I do race at NHRA tracks too. Been there done that with the street racing and cruising so I will now abide by their rules as I enjoy racing very much.

See you at the finish line.

Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 06:46 PM

Giving viewers the impression that they are illegally street racing is wrong in itself. Why not tell the viewers that are blocking off roads for filming? Cause the allure of getting caught would disappear and it wouldn`t be much different than racing on a real crappy track. Then who would watch? Reality TV sucks. Nothing real about it.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 06:55 PM

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Giving viewers the impression that they are illegally street racing is wrong in itself.

Hello? Reality TV.

Newsflash for you, WWE is fake too.

Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 07:02 PM

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Hello? Reality TV.

Newsflash for you, WWE is fake too.

Hello! Did you take time to even read the whole post? Duh!

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 07:06 PM

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Hello? Reality TV.

Newsflash for you, WWE is fake too.

Hello! Did you take time to even read the whole post? Duh!

Sure did.

I thought the post was redundant. I don't know a lot of people who see programs like this and think "its the real deal" its on TV which is 95% BS.

Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 07:43 PM

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Quote:

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Hello? Reality TV.

Newsflash for you, WWE is fake too.

Hello! Did you take time to even read the whole post? Duh!

Sure did.

I thought the post was redundant. I don't know a lot of people who see programs like this and think "its the real deal" its on TV which is 95% BS.

I wish some of you guys would leave me my fantasies, you all are really harshing my buzz.

BTW forgive me if I missed it somewhere here in these 37 pages but didn't NHRA suspend Darryl Aldermans license for illegal activities off the track?

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 07:54 PM

Quote:

BTW forgive me if I missed it somewhere here in these 37 pages but didn't NHRA suspend Darryl Aldermans license for illegal activities off the track?

Yes; For federal charges of conspiracy to possess and distribute cocaine.

The Street Outlaw guys have broken no laws. As it has been pointed out several times the show is filmed with the support of local officials and law enforcement.

Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 07:58 PM

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BTW forgive me if I missed it somewhere here in these 37 pages but didn't NHRA suspend Darryl Aldermans license for illegal activities off the track?

Yes; For federal charges of conspiracy to possess and distribute cocaine.

The Street Outlaw guys have broken no laws. As it has been pointed out several times the show is filmed with the support of local officials and law enforcement.

You keep saying they aren't doing it illegally because LEO's are present. I've never known a case where an LEO can suspend the state or federal laws. He or she may choose to turn a blind eye or decide not to enforce the law but it's still breaking laws.

Posted By: SNK-EYZ

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 07:59 PM

Saw this online.

http://www.hotrod.com/news/nhra-responds-to-the-hate-over-their-street-outlaws-letter/

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Man there�s a lot of NHRA-hate out there. After we posted last night about the NHRA sending out letters to some of the NHRA-licensed participants in the cable reality show Street Outlaws, advising them not to continue appearing in a show that promotes street racing, we hit a nerve. Or maybe the NHRA hit the nerve. However you look at it, we had to contact NHRA to get a little more info about why they did this and what they expect in return.

For that we cold-called Geno Effler, who is the head of PR for NHRA, and presented him with some of your comments from the post�at least the ones that didn�t take the NHRA to task for everything from 9/11 to global warming.

Effler told us NHRA officials saw numerous NHRA licensed drivers and some cars with NHRA logos or competition numbers appearing on the show, and feel that since the show promotes street racing, NHRA didn�t want their licensed drivers glorifying street racing�whether it�s staged [which it is] or not. Says Effler, �It�s contrary to their membership as NHRA licensed drivers.�

For what outcome the NHRA expects, Effler went on to say, �We hope that maintaining their licenses and being ambassadors for, and the mission of NHRA, is the course they take.�

He told us that NHRA sent out less than two dozen letters, and that so far none of the recipients has contacted the NHRA, but that �it would probably be a good thing to do.�

When it was suggested that the NHRA is doing this to quell the reality show because their ratings in the 18-49 year old male demographic was not as good as Street Outlaws, Effler laughed then said, "That�s an inaccurate supposition. It�s like apples and oranges. We are not the same type of broadcast and are on at different times and days. We don�t share any sponsors, and by the way, our ratings this year are up, not down. The heart of the matter is that we don�t promote street racing in any form in any way.�

With the amount of attention these letters have garnered, and the criticism on online drag racing magazines and blogs hurled at the NHRA over the last few years, would this be a wakeup call for the organization to get back to their roots and help promote �little guy�, Saturday night run-what-you-brung racing? Effler said, �We�ve always been a proponent of the tracks and facilities, and are supporters of track owners. Also, we�ve done a lot to promote programs that involve street legal cars, like our Junior Street program, which has been a huge success.�

Junior Street is for 13-16 year olds that don�t have licenses. They can go to the strip with a parent riding shotgun, and in a car that runs no quicker than 10 seconds flat in the eighth-mile. The parent drives the car to the water boxes, hands the wheel over to the child, who then takes it down the strip, and parks the car after the run for their parent to take over. Says Effler, �This is all done in a controlled manner, and shows the young enthusiast this type of racing should be done on a drag strip, safely, and still be thrilling.�

Besides Junior Street there is also the Junior Dragster program for 5-17 year olds that has been going on for years. And NHRA continues to help promote amateur racing throughout the country.

So there it is, straight from the NHRA. In a nutshell, NHRA sees the participation of NHRA-licensed drivers in the Street Outlaws cable show is contrary to license holding and is promoting an illegal activity�an activity which the NHRA was created to help combat, and continues to fight against.

Read more: http://www.hotrod.com/news/nhra-responds-to-the-hate-over-their-street-outlaws-letter/#ixzz3SJEsBKWx
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Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 08:20 PM

Quote:

You keep saying they aren't doing it illegally because LEO's are present.

Feel free to quote what federal law or even state law in OK is being broken.

RI use to have drag racing on public roads several years ago, I know because I attended the event. No LEO were turning blind eyes, they were monitoring the event and doing crowd control.

Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 08:29 PM

Quote:

Quote:

You keep saying they aren't doing it illegally because LEO's are present.

Feel free to quote what federal law or even state law in OK is being broken.

RI use to have drag racing on public roads several years ago, I know because I attended the event. No LEO were turning blind eyes, they were monitoring the event and doing crowd control.

Ah, well, just off the top of my head how about speed limits? I also believe that street racing (acceleration contests?) is illegal in all 48 contiguous US states at the least. How about up there in Taxineticut?

Again just because the LEO's are allowing it, that doesn't make it illegal. Please feel free to quote the OK law that says it's not illegal to street race if the cops will let you.

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 08:33 PM

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You keep saying they aren't doing it illegally because LEO's are present.

Feel free to quote what federal law or even state law in OK is being broken.

RI use to have drag racing on public roads several years ago, I know because I attended the event. No LEO were turning blind eyes, they were monitoring the event and doing crowd control.

Ah, well, just off the top of my head how about speed limits? I also believe that street racing (acceleration contests?) is illegal in all 48 contiguous US states at the least. How about up there in Taxineticut?

Again just because the LEO's are allowing it, that doesn't make it illegal. Please feel free to quote the OK law that says it's not illegal to street race if the cops will let you.

So the Silver State race with 200+ mph cars is illegal as well?

The events have permits to do the activities. Making the event "legal". The everyday speed/traffic laws do not apply to the permitted locations.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 08:45 PM

Quote:

Ah, well, just off the top of my head how about speed limits?

1) Since the road is being closed off for an event they may not apply.

2) The states have the right to set the speed limits as they see fit. Mind you on the interstate (a federal road) you can lose federal funding in some cases if you don't do as the feds advise.

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I also believe that street racing (acceleration contests?) is illegal in all 48 contiguous US states at the least.

Please provide the federal statute. You are the one making the claim, I'm not aware of any such statute.

Quote:

How about up there in Taxineticut?

"No person shall operate a motor vehicle upon any public highway for a wager or for any race or for the purpose of making a speed record."

Note it states PUBLIC HIGHWAY. If the road is not public (in example blocked off for an event) then the statute does not apply. Hell depending on what the state terms "a public highway" it might not apply to local roads under town jurisdiction.

Doesn't matter they can skin the cat anyway they want to- Speeding, reckless driving, etc.

Quote:

Again just because the LEO's are allowing it, that doesn't make it illegal.

The town officials are ALLOWING this to happen. You know permits and stuff. Filming a show like this doesn't happen in a vacuum.

Just like in RI law enforcement was on board since the town was hosting this event since it brings in money to a popular tourist attraction.

Posted By: rowin4

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 08:52 PM

Well I heard that the Street Outlaws don't get much in money for being on the show, that's to bad. Now It's time for Big Chief to contact the Duck boy's and Swamp People promoters and see how to get on the merchandise gravy train. Those guy's became became pretty rich on tee shirts and hats.

Posted By: Chassisman

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 08:54 PM

And then there is THIS tid bit.....seems the wheels are falling off the NHRA....

RUMOR! NHRA SELLS THREE PRO CLASSES

DRO has verified as fact that Tom Compton and the NHRA board hired a financial company in the Los Angeles area more than two months ago to package and sell the top three pro classes (Top Fuel, Funny Car and Pro Stock) to an entertainment company. The Agent has the name of the company but has been unable to contact them yet. DRO�s source said today that there is an entertainment company that has agreed to terms. We have been unable to verify that rumor as of 6 p.m. (Central) Wednesday, Feb. 18.

Selling off their top three pro classes was one of the options that was discussed when Tom Compton tried to sell the NHRA to Direct TV majordomo Eddy Hartenstein and his HD Partners group back in 2007. Our source says the deal that NHRA made was essentially the same one they had in 2007 when an attempted sale fell through at the last minute. In the original deal NHRA would sell the pro classes and as part of the sale a large chunk of the buyout money would go to the NHRA to ensure that the sportsman part of the NHRA would continue on. As we understand it that is the same type of deal the new sale would be.

The Agent always felt that selling off the NHRA top three pro classes wasn�t a viable or smart option since none of the racers in those classes works for the NHRA; they are all independent contractors who can race where and when they wish. On the other hand, maybe a professional entertainment group can sell nitro sponsorships better than the NHRA can.

Stay tuned

Posted By: cagebob1

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 08:58 PM

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 09:08 PM

Quote:

And then there is THIS tid bit.....seems the wheels are falling off the NHRA....

RUMOR! NHRA SELLS THREE PRO CLASSES

DRO has verified as fact that Tom Compton and the NHRA board hired a financial company in the Los Angeles area more than two months ago to package and sell the top three pro classes (Top Fuel, Funny Car and Pro Stock) to an entertainment company. The Agent has the name of the company but has been unable to contact them yet. DRO�s source said today that there is an entertainment company that has agreed to terms. We have been unable to verify that rumor as of 6 p.m. (Central) Wednesday, Feb. 18.

Selling off their top three pro classes was one of the options that was discussed when Tom Compton tried to sell the NHRA to Direct TV majordomo Eddy Hartenstein and his HD Partners group back in 2007. Our source says the deal that NHRA made was essentially the same one they had in 2007 when an attempted sale fell through at the last minute. In the original deal NHRA would sell the pro classes and as part of the sale a large chunk of the buyout money would go to the NHRA to ensure that the sportsman part of the NHRA would continue on. As we understand it that is the same type of deal the new sale would be.

The Agent always felt that selling off the NHRA top three pro classes wasn�t a viable or smart option since none of the racers in those classes works for the NHRA; they are all independent contractors who can race where and when they wish. On the other hand, maybe a professional entertainment group can sell nitro sponsorships better than the NHRA can.

Stay tuned

Deploy "Golden Parachutes" in 5, 4, 3, 2 , 1...

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 09:10 PM

Quote:

Deploy "Golden Parachutes" in 5, 4, 3, 2 , 1...

HAHAHAHHA!

That was my first thought, shades of Daimler-Benz buying out Mopar.

Posted By: Eric

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 09:24 PM

They don't represent it as being legal...and there are plenty of morons who don't realize it's staged. People will street race either way...this just glorifies it.

Posted By: hemicar1971

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 09:48 PM

Start with one word WOW. This is quite a thread. I just wonder how far does the policing of your personal life go. Is NHRA going to watch every YOUTUBE video and give all that participate in such acceleration videos the boot out of NHRA for performing a pass on a street or Hwy that might have their NHRA number or a NHRA sticker on the vehicle. How about all those bikes that do stunt driving videos and might belong to NHRA are they getting the boot. The future drag racers with their Tuners do a lot of high speed racing, 50MPH on , 70MPH on, I do not here NHRA crying about them. The Internet is full of all kinds of stuff with crazy acceleration videos or people just having fun. It is your choice to do it and if you get hurt it is your fault. I use to drag race on the street every weekend years ago. Then decided to go to the track again running a class car and the car got faster and the cost got to be so expensive with little or no pay out that you go back to the street and have fun again. The expense is a direct correlation on how fast you go, but the pay out at the track does not have that correlation rate and are much lower. It gets to be if you win every week it still does not pay for your expenses and that does not include the rebuild during the year or at the end of the year and all those safety upgrades that appear every year in the rule books. Good luck NHRA, you cant afford to run your own show and now you want another expense of policing my and other fun.

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 10:33 PM

I don't know why we have all this hate for the NHRA here, they are just saying if you want to go out and do silly things, please take our logos and numbers off your car. I don't see it as a big deal.

Posted By: CTD5.9

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/20/15 11:08 PM

If it's truly about the sticker/car number production should just blur it out and call it a day.

Posted By: Cudajon

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 01:48 AM

On a side note there are towns in Oklahoma that block off streets for drag racing. Not 150mph cars but fun never the less. No body gets their panties in a wad.

Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 02:51 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Ah, well, just off the top of my head how about speed limits?

1) Since the road is being closed off for an event they may not apply.

2) The states have the right to set the speed limits as they see fit. Mind you on the interstate (a federal road) you can lose federal funding in some cases if you don't do as the feds advise.

Quote:

I also believe that street racing (acceleration contests?) is illegal in all 48 contiguous US states at the least.

Please provide the federal statute. You are the one making the claim, I'm not aware of any such statute.

Quote:

How about up there in Taxineticut?

"No person shall operate a motor vehicle upon any public highway for a wager or for any race or for the purpose of making a speed record."

Note it states PUBLIC HIGHWAY. If the road is not public (in example blocked off for an event) then the statute does not apply. Hell depending on what the state terms "a public highway" it might not apply to local roads under town jurisdiction.

Doesn't matter they can skin the cat anyway they want to- Speeding, reckless driving, etc.

Quote:

Again just because the LEO's are allowing it, that doesn't make it illegal.

The town officials are ALLOWING this to happen. You know permits and stuff. Filming a show like this doesn't happen in a vacuum.

Just like in RI law enforcement was on board since the town was hosting this event since it brings in money to a popular tourist attraction.

Laws and ordinances are suspended for special events all the time. And in most cases, local state attorneys have near total discretion when deciding whether to prosecute non-violent crime.

We used to go to Heath for the Moparty when we were at the 'Nats. Burn-outs were permitted all over the main drag with the law in plain site. The Chief of Police would get his squad out and do them for a donation to a charity.

Man, it looked like the town was on fire. Great fun! And legal, too. So...............

Posted By: jcc

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 03:13 AM

"Laws and ordinances are suspended for special events all the time"

Not enforced and not prosecuted are lot different then "suspended" IMO, one takes an action and the other simply inaction.

Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 03:41 AM

Quote:

And then there is THIS tid bit.....seems the wheels are falling off the NHRA....

RUMOR! NHRA SELLS THREE PRO CLASSES

DRO has verified as fact that Tom Compton and the NHRA board hired a financial company in the Los Angeles area more than two months ago to package and sell the top three pro classes (Top Fuel, Funny Car and Pro Stock) to an entertainment company. The Agent has the name of the company but has been unable to contact them yet. DRO�s source said today that there is an entertainment company that has agreed to terms. We have been unable to verify that rumor as of 6 p.m. (Central) Wednesday, Feb. 18.

Selling off their top three pro classes was one of the options that was discussed when Tom Compton tried to sell the NHRA to Direct TV majordomo Eddy Hartenstein and his HD Partners group back in 2007. Our source says the deal that NHRA made was essentially the same one they had in 2007 when an attempted sale fell through at the last minute. In the original deal NHRA would sell the pro classes and as part of the sale a large chunk of the buyout money would go to the NHRA to ensure that the sportsman part of the NHRA would continue on. As we understand it that is the same type of deal the new sale would be.

The Agent always felt that selling off the NHRA top three pro classes wasn�t a viable or smart option since none of the racers in those classes works for the NHRA; they are all independent contractors who can race where and when they wish. On the other hand, maybe a professional entertainment group can sell nitro sponsorships better than the NHRA can.

Stay tuned

welcome to 2014.
http://www.turbobullet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7197

Posted By: Chassisman

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 03:55 AM

Quote:

Quote:

And then there is THIS tid bit.....seems the wheels are falling off the NHRA....

RUMOR! NHRA SELLS THREE PRO CLASSES

DRO has verified as fact that Tom Compton and the NHRA board hired a financial company in the Los Angeles area more than two months ago to package and sell the top three pro classes (Top Fuel, Funny Car and Pro Stock) to an entertainment company. The Agent has the name of the company but has been unable to contact them yet. DRO�s source said today that there is an entertainment company that has agreed to terms. We have been unable to verify that rumor as of 6 p.m. (Central) Wednesday, Feb. 18.

Selling off their top three pro classes was one of the options that was discussed when Tom Compton tried to sell the NHRA to Direct TV majordomo Eddy Hartenstein and his HD Partners group back in 2007. Our source says the deal that NHRA made was essentially the same one they had in 2007 when an attempted sale fell through at the last minute. In the original deal NHRA would sell the pro classes and as part of the sale a large chunk of the buyout money would go to the NHRA to ensure that the sportsman part of the NHRA would continue on. As we understand it that is the same type of deal the new sale would be.

The Agent always felt that selling off the NHRA top three pro classes wasn�t a viable or smart option since none of the racers in those classes works for the NHRA; they are all independent contractors who can race where and when they wish. On the other hand, maybe a professional entertainment group can sell nitro sponsorships better than the NHRA can.

Stay tuned

welcome to 2014.
http://www.turbobullet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7197

... 2/18/15 ...agent 1320... was also whispers of it while we were at Winternationals then was brought up again last weekend at Wild Horse Pass..... its 2015 stuff now. Thanks

Posted By: skicker

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 04:56 AM

Found this a little while ago..kinda stupid but good for a laugh... https://plotagon.com/34092

Posted By: Cudajon

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 03:59 PM

For all those that say closing down roads for racing can't be legal.
And to think Steve McQueen started this all 40 years ago in BULLITT
This video must have cost a mint. Shut down the streets of San Francisco. Wild Ride in San Francisco 652 hp Ford Focus. It's a Ford promo driven by one of the best drivers ever for this type of racing. I can't imagine what it cost for this commercial when you see how much of the city was shut down for this, all the cameras and the staging.

On the street

Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 04:03 PM

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"Laws and ordinances are suspended for special events all the time"

Not enforced and not prosecuted are lot different then "suspended" IMO, one takes an action and the other simply inaction.

Technically correct, but a difference without a distinction.

The guy doing the

walks either way.

Posted By: Dragula

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 04:18 PM

Let them.....I have an IHRA license, and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.

Posted By: jose jones

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 05:04 PM

I was at the Arizona Nationals NHRA event yesterday with a non drag race friend we were watching the top fuel cars get 1/2 way down the track then have something mess up on their car about 1/2 made a full pass. Then the 9.90 class started. He ask me how come running about 9.90 some would go through the traps going 165MPH and the guy he was racing would go also 9.90 running about 130MPH. I told him to listen as they would start off the line they would launch hard then go to a idle coasting down the track then a couple of seconds later the car would go back to full throttle and run a 9.90, He thought this was really strange, I told him some of those cars could run in the 7's He thought some of the things NHRA does is boring

I guess this is why some fake street racing on a closed road on TV show is so popular

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 05:17 PM

I just find it funny how before the letters came out all the OKC nuthuggers were arguing the show is real. Now the same ones are arguing it's staged entertainment.

Posted By: go green

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 06:09 PM

Want to be outlaw racers lol ,put your money where your mouth is and burn your NHRA competition licence and lets see who the real outlaws are .NHRA is not telling them to do anything , just making them aware of their actions have consequences if they want to participate at a NHRA track .
This show would work just as well if they film it at a real track , the race is only one small part of the package , there is enough drama in the pits at one event to make a entire season of TV shows .

Posted By: racerx

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 06:16 PM

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Want to be outlaw racers lol ,put your money where your mouth is and burn your NHRA competition licence and lets see who the real outlaws are .NHRA is not telling them to do anything , just making them aware of their actions have consequences if they want to participate at a NHRA track .
This show would work just as well if they film it at a real track , the race is only one small part of the package , there is enough drama in the pits at one event to make a entire season of TV shows .

^^^The last part of this is funny but it's true^^^

but I think people likes the drama

Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 06:18 PM

in all their years nhra has NEVER been able to get their poop in the group on televising events.unless you are up at 3.35 am watching the gonad channel in booger west virginia.[nothing against those who live there].they are probably selling the entertainment rights or televising rights because they just cant get it right.they could care less about the average little guy racer.only the little guys wallet and patience for absolute bullpucky.never let them "fool" you or anybody else.they have a proven track record for screwing us all over every chance they get.until they have actual racers running this organization again,there isnt a chance in hell they will do anything to improve.....

Posted By: tboomer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 06:29 PM

Ok...I will admit that I enjoy the show. Granted there is drama that doesn't need to be there. But it is entertaining. Then there are those fellas from Fat and Furious. As much as I enjoy cars I can barely watch an entire episode. And is the NHRA going to pull that one dudes license because he goes down a track with out proper safety attire or is a sanctioning body going to pull licenses from fellas that are road racing without safety equipment? I doubt it. I don't think that program has the following of Street Outlaws. I think NHRA just wants a piece of pie that it isn't getting. Just because the NHRA are dumb azzes don't mean that you can be too. Just my opinion.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 06:32 PM

NHRA needs racers ($$$) far more than racers need NHRA.

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Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 06:40 PM

that pretty much sums it up....there will always be options and other venues for racers....this is starting to remind me of what nhra did back in 82.with the stroke of a pen wiped out d,e,f,g,and h gas,and also the lower half of modified.putting hundreds of racers out of a class without a care in the world.and to put salt on the wound put the top half of modified eliminator in with the comp class virtually eliminating anybody not running at least a second under their respective indexes.the rest got dumped into super stock.this was the first of many back stabs to the little guys....

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 08:39 PM

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NHRA needs racers ($$$) far more than racers need NHRA.

really, You couldn't be more wrong.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 10:53 PM

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NHRA needs racers ($$$) far more than racers need NHRA.

really, You couldn't be more wrong.

Thanks for the laugh.

There is no shortage of IHRA and outlaw tracks not to mention the street plain and simple.

NHRA? No one shows up they fold. No money = no NHRA.

There was hot rodding before them and there will be hot rodding after.

I don't need the NHRA to get my horsepower jollies.

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/21/15 11:33 PM

Some of you just don't get it and it appears you never will..

As for the comment of plenty of options if you choose not to run NHRA. Well maybe in some parts of the country there are options. Over here on this side of the country your options are few and far between. So here is the summary for IHRA one in Alaska, one in Arizona and one new one in Washinton. For those who are geographically challenged take a look at a map. Or go to the IHRA site and looks at the track list. Then there is the question of the IHRA itself. How many times has been on the edge of failure?

Would really like to know haw many of the people on here making all these comments actually OWN and RACE a car at ANY track. Or is this a case of the keyboard non racer crowd wanting to impose their will to make a change or loose something that means nothing to them in the first place. If you think that the NHRA will not survive you are just plain foolish. Unless you want to see organized drag racing fail as well.

Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/22/15 12:49 AM

this post has become a fireball in the shorts of many people.opinions flying everywhere,good,bad,and ugly.i have never seen a press explosion to this extent, and i am sure they are carefully weighing their options.will nhra bite the dust? not a chance in hell.no matter who likes them or who doesnt,they are the big dogs on the scene.but hopefully something good will come from this for all.i get fired up and i have posted many times of the negative effects they tend to have on the average racer because i have seen it myself for the last 40 years.that doesnt mean i wouldnt race nhra tracks and events, but i guess we will all have to wait until the smoke clears and see.....

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/22/15 01:06 AM

Stuff like this just help build the IHRA membership
and within time they(IHRA) will expand more to the west...
nothing happens over night

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/22/15 01:17 AM

you guys have no clue really on what's going on. All the NHRA said was if they keep Promoting illegal street racing they will lose their licenses. They just need to distance themselves from this unreality tv show that's promoting something illegal. The SO guys can keep doing what it is they do they just won't be able to have a nhra lic. Most of them don't anyway so for them its no big deal. Also if they really cared about their lic. they would have gave those letters to their laywers NOT POSTED THEM ON THE INTERNET to get social media buzzing for more attention. Why is this so hard for most of you to grasp?

For the guy with the quick solution of not racing NHRA you obviously do not have a real race car or you would have never made such a stupid statement. Besides all of the screwed up stuff you feel they do they do bring insurance, track safety, racer safety, race car safety to the front. They also have enough clout to keep your street cars from getting run over by the government.

I really wish some of you would think before making kneejerk replies on the internet.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/22/15 01:21 AM

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you guys have no clue really on what's going on. All the NHRA said was if they keep Promoting illegal street racing they will lose their licenses. They just need to distance themselves from this unreality tv show that's promoting something illegal. The SO guys can keep doing what it is they do they just won't be able to have a nhra lic. Most of them don't anyway so for them its no big deal. Also if they really cared about their lic. they would have gave those letters to their laywers NOT POSTED THEM ON THE INTERNET to get social media buzzing for more attention. Why is this so hard for most of you to grasp?

For the guy with the quick solution of not racing NHRA you obviously do not have a real race car or you would have never made such a stupid statement. Besides all of the screwed up stuff you feel they do they do bring insurance, track safety, racer safety, race car safety to the front. They also have enough clout to keep your street cars from getting run over by the government.

I really wish some of you would think before making kneejerk replies on the internet.

I KNOW damn A well what they are saying... and a LOT
of people are pissed off about it...granted all they
did was ask

Posted By: CHAPPER

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/22/15 01:35 AM

Anybody watching the 'Lights Out 6' at SGMP....???

dragstory.com ustream.tv/channel/dragstory

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/22/15 04:31 AM

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Stuff like this just help build the IHRA membership
and within time they(IHRA) will expand more to the west...
nothing happens over night

Mike, the sad part about the IHRA around here is that tracks never stay with them. Byron, Cordova, Union Grove have all switched back and forth multiple times, and 41 was IHRA twice and is now outlaw. Hopefully with Scotty Gardner at the wheel now that will stabilize.

Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/22/15 06:08 AM

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Anybody watching the 'Lights Out 6' at SGMP....???
dragstory.com ustream.tv/channel/dragstory

I was there and had a blast, met most of the street outlaw guys and they are cool, my buddy with me was talking smack to Big Chief and Sean murdernova, it was funny and they were cool as ice cubes

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/22/15 08:11 AM

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you guys have no clue really on what's going on. All the NHRA said was if they keep Promoting illegal street racing they will lose their licenses. They just need to distance themselves from this unreality tv show that's promoting something illegal. The SO guys can keep doing what it is they do they just won't be able to have a nhra lic. Most of them don't anyway so for them its no big deal. Also if they really cared about their lic. they would have gave those letters to their laywers NOT POSTED THEM ON THE INTERNET to get social media buzzing for more attention. Why is this so hard for most of you to grasp?

For the guy with the quick solution of not racing NHRA you obviously do not have a real race car or you would have never made such a stupid statement. Besides all of the screwed up stuff you feel they do they do bring insurance, track safety, racer safety, race car safety to the front. They also have enough clout to keep your street cars from getting run over by the government.

I really wish some of you would think before making kneejerk replies on the internet.

THIS^^^

I do promotional stuff with the "West Coast Super Cops"... So, I would take the stance that NHRA takes. Trying to make Illegal Street Racing glamorous to kids is wrong.. Enough problems already with the video games and "Fast N Furious" crap. Not to mention texting and driving..

Anyway, here is a good read from Mike Murillo..

http://www.dragzine.com/news/heads-up-racer-mike-murillo-address-nhras-letter-to-street-outlaws/

When asked what he thought about the letter, and what it said, Murillo responded: �I think what they�re doing is wrong, but it�s not worth it for me to give up my NHRA license.� Murillo hates to take that stance, because it appears he�s caving in to the NHRA, but there�s too much on the line for him. Murillo has too much invested to risk losing his license.

�I just hope they can come up with a resolution where people don�t lose their competition licenses. It�s not fair to the guys on the show. The racing on the show takes place in a closed environment � there�s no crowd, EMS and fire are on the property; it�s not right to rip these guys� licenses because of a reality show,� he adds. In other words, it�s not what everyone thinks of when people say street racing.

It does take place on a public road, but the roads are shut down for the night while filming takes place. �If they were truly out street racing, I would 100-percent agree with the NHRA�s stance,� Murillo says. He told us the show even has tech officials who look over every car before being allowed to participate. �The racing is real,� Murillo says, �but it�s TV. It�s way different than what people think of as street racing.�

Chris..

Posted By: keefe

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/22/15 08:52 PM

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The NHRA is OK is you're a "reformed" street racer turned "legit" (like at least one of their former Pro Stock Champions), but doesn't want any perceived connection made between street racing and the NHRA in any form.

Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/23/15 07:45 PM

I recall seeing cars race on the streets of Long Beach and Miami, with the cops blocking off the streets. Televised. How is this different?

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/23/15 10:46 PM

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So those of You whom are so selfrightous about watching the stupid contrived 'street outlaw' program feel better? In my opinion the show is pitched to the stupid who believe that drag racing is all about racing (or crashing) on public roads in Oklahoma. Talk to real Bracket Racers,.. Most feel the show is weak and staged and phony as to any real race value. If those cars are so unique or fast or ???? Have them go to a track and time the damn things or have them actually compete against other 'fast' but safety certified real race cars. This plays to the non-reality shows the public lsps up. You guys keep bad mouthing NHRA all You want but Your premier 'nostalgia' races like the March Meet aare at NHRA Tracks as the track safety is there. How many ambulances You have out there in Oklahoma or anywhere else the morons race? The is s a hollywood made up [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] series the dumb have become addicted to,... nothing more. How many of You critics of NHRA actually race? Boats need not answer but I know You believe You are the worlds authorities on everything from Your comments.

I only read far enough to see this stupid post. I say stupid, because you have NO CLUE of what you are speaking on. Every one of these cars meets safety specs for the ETs they run. They also race in a "controlled environment" with a full safety crew and medical personnel on site. Every car was safety inspected and stickered, by get this, an NHRA tech guy. Now while I have personally chided some of the guys for being out "testing" without all their safety gear on, that does NOT fly on the actual "race night" when the full production crew is on the controlled site.

And these cars are raced on the track at times, as they ALL test at tracks at various times, to gather data. You don't think they are fast, that's your opinion, which I will state is also WRONG.

Also I feel sure I can speak for the guys on the show, by saying they could care less what "some" bracket racers think of the show.

As for NHRA..........these hypocrites should get their OWN house in order, before they even attempt to criticize someone else. It's just a grandstanding ploy, because the show is kicking their butts in the ratings. Seems to have backfired on them.

Monte

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 01:19 AM

Can't wait for a lower end fuel car team to roll in with "Street Outlaws" as a partial sponsor. LOL

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 01:58 AM

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It's just a grandstanding ploy, because the show is kicking their butts in the ratings. Seems to have backfired on them.

Monte

I am surprised so many think the the NHRA is so vain that they give a rat's ass about the rating of a (semi)reality show. Heck they are not even in a competing time slot.

I keep seeing guys saying NHRA just wants a piece of the pie. I can't fathom how the NHRA could possibly benefit from an association with the SO's. The whole premise of the show is illegal street racing whether the actual filming session are done on a closed course or not. This premise goes against why the NHRA was founded and really serves to fuel those in the general public that wish to mimick what they see on tv. To support the show in any way or form would be unbelievably hypocritical on the part of the NHRA.

Posted By: d-150

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 02:51 AM

nhra needs money.we all know street outlaws are running on street,but staged ,and blocked off roads,so what, ten times more interesting then nhra. this is more my price point in racing then nitro cars,i can relate to the street racing

Posted By: upnover

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 03:27 AM

id love to tell the nhra what I think, does anyone have an email address for the nhra? I cant find an address anywhere, just a phone #, which will work if I cant find an email, thanks

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 03:40 AM

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id love to tell the nhra what I think, does anyone have an email address for the nhra? I cant find an address anywhere, just a phone #, which will work if I cant find an email, thanks

If you can't find the email address on your own you might want to rethink sending them hate mail.

Posted By: skicker

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 03:44 AM

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If you can't find the email address on your own you might want to rethink sending them hate mail.

No sense sending an Email as it will get dumped with the other 10K.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 03:56 AM

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If you can't find the email address on your own you might want to rethink sending them hate mail.

No sense sending an Email as it will get dumped with the other 10K.

I get replies when I send them emails asking legitimate questions.

Posted By: upnover

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 04:01 AM

found it, thanks for all of the help.

Posted By: skicker

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 04:03 AM

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I get replies when I send them emails asking legitimate questions.

I'm going to go out on a limb here...Do you think he was going to ask a legitimate question?

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 04:59 AM

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I get replies when I send them emails asking legitimate questions.

I'm going to go out on a limb here...Do you think he was going to ask a legitimate question?

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 05:51 AM

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It's just a grandstanding ploy, because the show is kicking their butts in the ratings. Seems to have backfired on them.

Monte

I am surprised so many think the the NHRA is so vain that they give a rat's ass about the rating of a (semi)reality show. Heck they are not even in a competing time slot.

I keep seeing guys saying NHRA just wants a piece of the pie. I can't fathom how the NHRA could possibly benefit from an association with the SO's. The whole premise of the show is illegal street racing whether the actual filming session are done on a closed course or not. This premise goes against why the NHRA was founded and really serves to fuel those in the general public that wish to mimick what they see on tv. To support the show in any way or form would be unbelievably hypocritical on the part of the NHRA.

It would seem with all the crap they have stirred up, that they give a BIG rats azz. What, you think this is the only time some NHRA members have probably knowingly street raced, and NOW they care..............ummm ok.

Monte

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 06:01 AM

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It's just a grandstanding ploy, because the show is kicking their butts in the ratings. Seems to have backfired on them.

Monte

I am surprised so many think the the NHRA is so vain that they give a rat's ass about the rating of a (semi)reality show. Heck they are not even in a competing time slot.

I keep seeing guys saying NHRA just wants a piece of the pie. I can't fathom how the NHRA could possibly benefit from an association with the SO's. The whole premise of the show is illegal street racing whether the actual filming session are done on a closed course or not. This premise goes against why the NHRA was founded and really serves to fuel those in the general public that wish to mimick what they see on tv. To support the show in any way or form would be unbelievably hypocritical on the part of the NHRA.

It would seem with all the crap they have stirred up, that they give a BIG rats azz. What, you think this is the only time some NHRA members have probably knowingly street raced, and NOW they care..............ummm ok.

Monte

Monte you are 100% correct...

why on earth would NHRA care about a tv show promoting illegal street racing.

your to close to this and the twist your putting on it proves it.

Posted By: fullmetaljacket

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 06:09 AM

The NHRA very well knew that legends the likes of Ronnie Lyles, Brooklyn Heavy, John Mcfadden, Billy The Kid, among others were well involved with big stakes street Racing back in the day and participated in all their (NHRA) programmed high profile races, let alone including a prestigious invitation to the White House as members of the United States Drag Racing team.
Some high profile giants in the NHRA line up were even building cars that were knowingly being used on the streets.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 07:27 AM

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It's just a grandstanding ploy, because the show is kicking their butts in the ratings. Seems to have backfired on them.

Monte

I am surprised so many think the the NHRA is so vain that they give a rat's ass about the rating of a (semi)reality show. Heck they are not even in a competing time slot.

I keep seeing guys saying NHRA just wants a piece of the pie. I can't fathom how the NHRA could possibly benefit from an association with the SO's. The whole premise of the show is illegal street racing whether the actual filming session are done on a closed course or not. This premise goes against why the NHRA was founded and really serves to fuel those in the general public that wish to mimick what they see on tv. To support the show in any way or form would be unbelievably hypocritical on the part of the NHRA.

It would seem with all the crap they have stirred up, that they give a BIG rats azz. What, you think this is the only time some NHRA members have probably knowingly street raced, and NOW they care..............ummm ok.

Monte

Monte you are 100% correct...

why on earth would NHRA care about a tv show promoting illegal street racing.

your to close to this and the twist your putting on it proves it.

Yep.......you're right. NHRA cares absolutely nothing about a bunch of "fake" racers, doing "fake" racing on TV.......is that what you are saying. Yeah, I can see that by their actions. Not sure why they are even wasting the paper to threaten people they don't care about. Guess they are just bored or something.

Seems they have no problem with one of their "star" racers posing nude on a stack of tires, yet are busting a bunch of street racers balls, over what, a "morality" clause in the fine print on a piece of paper. Makes perfect sense to me. I stand corrected. Better be careful and NEVER break a traffic law, as they will be within their rights to pull your license it would appear.

And I am not trying to "spin" anything. As mentioned, well known PRO racers have been involved with street racing for years. Remember a bunch called the "Ramchargers" and a place called Telegraph, where the behind the scenes "factory wars" were playing out. Guess that was top secret and nobody knew, huh! Yet NOW they(NHRA) care about that image. Seems a pretty odd coincidence now that this show is obviously not just a flash in the pan and they have developed a conscience.

Several of the guys do NOT have NHRA licenses and NEVER have, yet are being threatened that they will never be allowed on NHRA property. Yep, I can see how that thinking works. That will certainly curtail the evil "street racing"

Monte

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 04:36 PM

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It's just a grandstanding ploy, because the show is kicking their butts in the ratings. Seems to have backfired on them.

Monte

I am surprised so many think the the NHRA is so vain that they give a rat's ass about the rating of a (semi)reality show. Heck they are not even in a competing time slot.

I keep seeing guys saying NHRA just wants a piece of the pie. I can't fathom how the NHRA could possibly benefit from an association with the SO's. The whole premise of the show is illegal street racing whether the actual filming session are done on a closed course or not. This premise goes against why the NHRA was founded and really serves to fuel those in the general public that wish to mimick what they see on tv. To support the show in any way or form would be unbelievably hypocritical on the part of the NHRA.

It would seem with all the crap they have stirred up, that they give a BIG rats azz. What, you think this is the only time some NHRA members have probably knowingly street raced, and NOW they care..............ummm ok.

Monte

Monte you are 100% correct...

why on earth would NHRA care about a tv show promoting illegal street racing.

your to close to this and the twist your putting on it proves it.

Yep.......you're right. NHRA cares absolutely nothing about a bunch of "fake" racers, doing "fake" racing on TV.......is that what you are saying. Yeah, I can see that by their actions. Not sure why they are even wasting the paper to threaten people they don't care about. Guess they are just bored or something.

Seems they have no problem with one of their "star" racers posing nude on a stack of tires, yet are busting a bunch of street racers balls, over what, a "morality" clause in the fine print on a piece of paper. Makes perfect sense to me. I stand corrected. Better be careful and NEVER break a traffic law, as they will be within their rights to pull your license it would appear.

And I am not trying to "spin" anything. As mentioned, well known PRO racers have been involved with street racing for years. Remember a bunch called the "Ramchargers" and a place called Telegraph, where the behind the scenes "factory wars" were playing out. Guess that was top secret and nobody knew, huh! Yet NOW they(NHRA) care about that image. Seems a pretty odd coincidence now that this show is obviously not just a flash in the pan and they have developed a conscience.

Several of the guys do NOT have NHRA licenses and NEVER have, yet are being threatened that they will never be allowed on NHRA property. Yep, I can see how that thinking works. That will certainly curtail the evil "street racing"

Monte

Most of that was sarcasm but i guess you missed that.

I love how it keeps being brought up about others in the past. In this day and age with all of the political correctness having a TV show that shows illegal street racing is only in the best interest of those making bank off of it.

Force's pictorial was not *nudes* it was done on the artistic side not the trash side so your argument there is moot.

Like i said before. the SO guys chose to put these letters out on the social media so if anybody is looking for attention it was them. If I had gotton one and i truly cared about my NHRA lic. I would have gave it to my laywer.

Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 04:37 PM

I wonder why the NHRA doesn't just complete the circle and start trolling UTube and the like for any videos of their members street racing and send them 'THE LETTER'?

That is the only thing I can think of that could cause any more trouble than what they have already done.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 04:40 PM

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I wonder why the NHRA doesn't just complete the circle and start trolling UTube and the like for any videos of their members street racing and send them 'THE LETTER'?

That is the only thing I can think of that could cause any more trouble than what they have already done.

I think trolling youtube and trying to figure out who is who would be a stretch. Now start a TV show where you want people to believe your doing something illegal (even though informed people know its not) is a whole different enity.

Posted By: booger

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 04:52 PM

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I think trolling youtube and trying to figure out who is who would be a stretch.

I disagree. To me this is the perfect opportunity for someone to start up a new department staffed with minimum wagers and/or free workers, with the manager making high 6 figures.

Never underestimate the cunning stupidity of a bureaucrat.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 05:20 PM

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I think trolling youtube and trying to figure out who is who would be a stretch.

I disagree. To me this is the perfect opportunity for someone to start up a new department staffed with minimum wagers and/or free workers, with the manager making high 6 figures.

Never underestimate the cunning stupidity of a bureaucrat.

to do all of that just to send them a letter that they MIGHT revoke their nhra lic. Oh yeah if they even have one.

Posted By: booger

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 05:24 PM

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I think trolling youtube and trying to figure out who is who would be a stretch.

I disagree. To me this is the perfect opportunity for someone to start up a new department staffed with minimum wagers and/or free workers, with the manager making high 6 figures.

Never underestimate the cunning stupidity of a bureaucrat.

to do all of that just to send them a letter that they MIGHT revoke their nhra lic. Oh yeah if they even have one.

Exactly. Cunning stupidity. Paid to do something that isn't really possible. Bureaucrats probably put that on their resume.

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/24/15 05:25 PM

Me last night:

[channel surfing]Street Outlaws or Top Gear UK..... Street Outlaws or Top Gear UK..... lame drama or funny Brits..... lame drama or funny Brits..... Funny Brits! TOP GEAR UK!!!!![/channel surfing]

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 12:58 PM

https://www.facebook.com/pages/LUTZ-RACE-CARS/262631067109573?fref=photo

LUTZ RACE CARS
9 hrs �

NHRA called today to inform me that if I continue to appear on the show, my NHRA license will be suspended for the duration of the show. I informed NHRA that if you are telling me to choose between you or Street Outlaws then I choose the Street Outlaws.

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Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 03:34 PM

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https://www.facebook.com/pages/LUTZ-RACE-CARS/262631067109573?fref=photo

LUTZ RACE CARS
9 hrs �

NHRA called today to inform me that if I continue to appear on the show, my NHRA license will be wsuspended for the duration of the show. I informed NHRA that if you are telling me to choose between you or Street Outlaws then I choose the Street Outlaws.

Yup everybody else got a letter but Putz got a phone call.

He will do anything for attention

Posted By: Duner

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 03:57 PM

I'm betting that the producers of the SO show are enjoying the HUGE spike in ratings this racer opinion dividing flap has generated. They don't count how many people love or hate it... they only count how many people turned to that channel. You can bet they are thanking NHRA for sending them some free publicity.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 05:08 PM

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You can bet they are thanking NHRA for sending them some free publicity.

To be honest I have only heard the name of the show vaguely the last few years as I don't watch much TV.

Now I'm more than half way through season one (The Nova just got an ass beating by Doc) and I laugh my butt off every episode. The whole cast of characters I use to race against is there.

The whiner, the trash talker, the quiet guy, etc. What a hoot.

Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 05:18 PM

I watched a few shows and lost interest real quick. I don`t care for reality shows.

Posted By: moper

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 05:50 PM

I street raced from about 3 weeks after I got my license. I won some money "back in the day" but it wasn't about the cash for me. I also lost money, I broke, and crashed. I speed every day, which by CT state law (thanks Donovan) could be construed as racing. I've done track and street racing. They are vastly different for a ton of reasons. But given acces to a street, vs limited access to a track, I'll race the street.
All this means is I'll still watch my DVR'd SO, and I won't re-join, or seek an NHRA license. I'm years away from having my car ready but everything I noted above was chosen by me. If NHRA wants to choose for me, I choose to not be part or their organization. Pretty simple really.
I think Chief and the others get it. Right now it's about the money, even for them. If and when the show goes away, it will just be about the racing.

Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 07:17 PM

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Right now it's about the money

I agree it is all about the money. Nowadays that`s what rules. But I don`t like those rules.

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 07:56 PM

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Right now it's about the money

I agree it is all about the money.

I keep hearing this, but no one seems to be able to justify or quantify that connection.

How does the NHRA stand to make money by suspending the licenses of a few individuals? Simple answer: They don't.

Ok, then flip it:

How does the NHRA stand to make money by ignoring the actions of a few individuals? Simple answer: They don't.

Or are you saying is a jealousy issue? NHRA is jealous that a show about cars draws approx 3 million viewers a week? lmao! If that is the case, Top Gear UK should be on their hit list because they are a car show and usually have 4-5 million viewers a week.

Or are you saying SO is stealing advertising dollars from NHRA? Does anyone have any data to back that up? or are people just pulling that supposition out of their a$$? I think the latter.

Some of you guys would fit in well with the tinfoil hat, black helicopter crowd because [sarcasm] the NHRA couldn't possibly mean what they said in black and white in their letter and later reiterated when asked by Hot Rod Mag, because the vain NHRA HAS to have some sinister, evil ulterior motive at hand![/sarcasm]

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 08:40 PM

If it doesn't matter to them.......why spend the time and effort it took, to figure out who all the guys are who have been on the show. Find out where they live and then send them a letter, whether they have EVER been an NHRA member or not. That took somebody a lot of time.

And yes...........Jeff Lutz and a couple others got actual phone calls

Monte

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 09:24 PM

http://abc7.com/news/2-pedestrians-killed-in-chatsworth-street-racing-hit-and-run/535300/

Posted By: toplescuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 09:54 PM

Was my understanding that nhra wanted in on the show early on in some shape/form. And was told to get lost. That may be the reason behind trying to get back at the street outlaw guys. Kinda like if I cant be a part of your show. Then your not gonna be a part of mine

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 10:41 PM

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Was my understanding that nhra wanted in on the show early on in some shape/form. And was told to get lost. That may be the reason behind trying to get back at the street outlaw guys. Kinda like if I cant be a part of your show. Then your not gonna be a part of mine

Links? Supporting documentation? Or is this just more internet heresay?

So you're saying it took the vindictive NHRA 3 years to figure out a way to get revenge? lmao.

Comeon guys turn off your conspiracy theory generators and stop making up or repeating the bs that the haters are spewing on the internet.

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 10:57 PM

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http://abc7.com/news/2-pedestrians-killed-in-chatsworth-street-racing-hit-and-run/535300/

Pittsburgracer quit trying to cloud the issue with the REALITY of reality of illegal street racing which is exactly what this show promotes..

Posted By: StealthWedge67

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/26/15 11:36 PM

When the NHRA was founded, way back when.... their main focus was to take racing off the streets and bring it to the track where it was safe and in a controlled environment. The NHRA really has no choice in this matter but to do something such as what they are currently doing. Ignoring the activities of this show would be to bury their head in the sand. condoning it would fly in the face of why the NHRA exists. They're in a no-win situation with the fans of the show. To the guys that don't like the stance they've taken, ask yourself what else they should do? In my opinion, the only mistake they made was waiting to long to take this action. Had they taken this stand at the outset of the show, then everyone all along would have understood much better where they stood. Although I would concede that the guys on this show do a great job of being as safe as they can (I cant really figure out how they get these roads all to themselves regularly???), most that will and ARE trying to emulate the show wont be so safe. The bottom line is that it is illegal, and dangerous to way more people than just the ones in the race cars.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 12:13 AM

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http://abc7.com/news/2-pedestrians-killed-in-chatsworth-street-racing-hit-and-run/535300/

Pittsburgracer quit trying to cloud the issue with the REALITY of reality of illegal street racing which is exactly what this show promotes..

do you think if the show ended right now illegal racing would stop? hows that been working? or are you saying people are to stupid to know the difference?

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 01:37 AM

So you think this show is having no affect on people coming out and street racing? And YES I do think many in todays society are to stupid to tell the difference. I think many comments I have seen on this subject make a pretty good case for that.

I never said it would stop, been going on for years and will continue to do so. Does this me an it should be glorified and promoted like it is? Do you really think it is a good idea to promote an ILLEGAL activity on TV and glorify those who partake in it?

You must love them moonshine shows too. Maybe we need to show more people getting away with felonious activity and promote them for the good of society as a whole. Many on here and all over the net hold these people up on a pedestal of fame and shower them with praise. For what, committing an illegal act? They themselves have admitted the "test hits" they do are indeed on public roads, thus are breaking laws.

Holy crap no wonder society is the way it is these days. If this is how people truly think nowadays how far can we be from our demise as a society. When in Rome I suppose, did not end well for them either.....

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 01:42 AM

I don't think it has any affect on street racing what so ever. it's been going on for ever and always will. hell we should have got rid of the cowboy and indian shows, NCIS and just about ever thing on tv because people are just to stupid to understand right?.

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 01:46 AM

And I suppose you have never heard of Life imitating Art or vice versa..

Posted By: d-150

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 01:48 AM

once again this is controlled street racing,if they block off my street i would race down it.nhra needs to worry about themselves

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 02:13 AM

So were they spectators or pedestrians.

Out for a walk on Plummer at 2:30 means you are either watching a race or selling drugs!

Posted By: d-150

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 02:19 AM

what

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 02:24 AM

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what

Street racing has been going on in that general section of the valley since At least the late 70's, early 80's. SO doesn't have ANYTHING to do with what happened and it won't stop it either.

I did a TON of hits on that street and bunch more around the SFV in the 80's. Lumber City for those that were around back then? LOL

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 02:55 AM

Sure it has been happening for years, but now it is glorified and exposed to a much larger audience via the magic of tv.

Every dang town it seems has a "list" now of people wanting to be like the SO's.

Posted By: rowin4

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 03:02 AM

It's time for the big three to stop building these high horse power cars. Who needs 5-6-700 horse power on the street? Why do they build them? Bragging rights? Yeh! my car is faster than yours and I can prove it. Stop light or back road. Nothings changed except the factory street cars are faster.

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 03:13 AM

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Sure it has been happening for years, but now it is glorified and exposed to a much larger audience via the magic of tv.

Every dang town it seems has a "list" now of people wanting to be like the SO's.

Two Lane Blacktop/American Graffiti was around LONG before SO. LOL

I saw "Scarface", didn't want to be a coke dealer after I left the movie.

Or any number of other movies that have murder, rape, drug dealing, theft or any other illegal activity. None of those apparently should be portrayed in any fashion according to some people.

Posted By: Stroker Scamp

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 03:18 AM

So you guys are saying the show is not real?
Jeez had me fooled

Back to watching Alaskan Bush people

Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 03:31 AM

Seems to me if they really were committing illegal acts, and them filming them it would be pretty easy to prosecute them, wouldn't you say? happens all the time to dipshits who do illegal acts them get caught because they put it on the internet.

Wonder why no one has been arrested and charged with such a clear display of illegal activity?

Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 03:35 AM

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Sure it has been happening for years, but now it is glorified and exposed to a much larger audience via the magic of tv.

Every dang town it seems has a "list" now of people wanting to be like the SO's.

Two Lane Blacktop/American Graffiti was around LONG before SO. LOL

I saw "Scarface", didn't want to be a coke dealer after I left the movie.

Or any number of other movies that have murder, rape, drug dealing, theft or any other illegal activity. None of those apparently should be portrayed in any fashion according to some people.

Don't forget the gay fast and furious movies

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 03:38 AM

No one is contesting the fact the show is taped under controlled circumstances. We all know that, but the copycats out there in my town or your town do not have that luxury.

You are fooling yourself if you think the only racing these guys do is what you see on the boob tube.

Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 03:45 AM

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No one is contesting the fact the show is taped under controlled circumstances. We all know that, but the copycats out there in my town or your town do not have that luxury.

You are fooling yourself if you think the only racing these guys do is what you see on the boob tube.

I personally got out of street racing, but I still talk and hang with friends who still street race. The street trend now is more "roll racing" which I friggen hate anyway but it is more dangerous to traffic and pedestrians. But you are right I know of two "street lists" here in town now which were around back n the late 90's to early 2000's and faded away but have since made a resurgence from the show's popularity.

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 09:00 AM

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http://abc7.com/news/2-pedestrians-killed-in-chatsworth-street-racing-hit-and-run/535300/

Pittsburgracer quit trying to cloud the issue with the REALITY of reality of illegal street racing which is exactly what this show promotes..

Here's my question.. WHAT IF.????

It's always a possibility, you never know...... IF....

On this TV show, Someone DIES..

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/los-angeles-police-id-suspect-in-fatal-street-race/ar-BBhZPmr

Just throwing it out there..

Chris..

Posted By: d-150

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 11:55 AM

part of the thrill, take chances,there are many things we do everyday we could die from

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 11:59 AM

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part of the thrill, take chances,there are many things we do everyday we could die from

92 people die in car accidents in the US every single day.

We should stop driving cars.

Posted By: justinp61

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 01:08 PM

Yes we do things that can kill us, every time we meet another vehicle we're four feet from death.

It's one thing when someone does something foolish and kills himself. If he does something foolish and kills someone else it's a different story.

Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 03:55 PM

I am a lot more concerned with people texting than about street racing. Distracted drivers injure and kill scores more people than street racing ever has. And the texting isn't even glorified on TV.

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 04:56 PM

Here's the deal though. Every time a street racing accident occurs, it gets media attention. That attention not only reflects poorly on us as drag race enthusiasts, but on our hobby AND aftermarket as a whole.

Our hobby is under constant attack from leaders and legislators (or insurance companies!) who think what we do presents a threat either to the safety of the public or to the environment. By supporting illegal street racing or by turning a blind eye to it we only serve to make their case.

Laws are made because people act like idiots.
Case in point: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/19/no-laughing-gas-matter-mississippi-becomes-39th-state-to-ban/

Posted By: DusterDave

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 05:09 PM

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http://abc7.com/news/2-pedestrians-killed-in-chatsworth-street-racing-hit-and-run/535300/

Pittsburgracer quit trying to cloud the issue with the REALITY of reality of illegal street racing which is exactly what this show promotes..

Here's my question.. WHAT IF.????

It's always a possibility, you never know...... IF....

On this TV show, Someone DIES..

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/los-angeles-police-id-suspect-in-fatal-street-race/ar-BBhZPmr

Just throwing it out there..

Chris..

What if......just throwing it out there.....but what if, a racer died on live national television, at an NHRA event? Oh wait, that has already happened. Scott Kalitta is the first example that comes to mind. Should NHRA be shut down because somebody died? Racing is inherently dangerous, no matter where its done.

Posted By: BobR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 05:33 PM

Here's how I see it and I know Mike Murillo pretty well. The NHRA came into being to get racers off of the street and onto a track. That's what they are all about. Along the way they have implemented hundreds of safety mandates that has made the sport safe for even cars like mine. They have every right to pull competition licenses from guys who prefer to go against their anti-street racing dogma. Would you expect MADD to allow drivers to drink at their events?

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 05:43 PM

http://abc7.com/535300/

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 05:51 PM

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Would you expect MADD to allow drivers to drink at their events?

Awkward.

http://www.southflorida.com/events/sf-mo...erdale-20140304,0,338547.story

Before their MADD Dash and Walk Like MADD 5K events on May 4, the Fort Lauderdale chapter of Mothers Against Drunk Driving will toast its South Florida athletes with a swank cocktail party Wednesday night at AutoNation Headquarters (200 SW First Ave., Fort Lauderdale).

Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 06:33 PM

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So were they spectators or pedestrians.

Out for a walk on Plummer at 2:30 means you are either watching a race or selling drugs!

From the article: "Henry Gevorgya, 21, is accused of driving a gray Ford Mustang that plowed into a crowd of onlookers, killing two spectators and seriously injuring another person"

They were participating...

Posted By: BradH

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 06:54 PM

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So were they spectators or pedestrians.

Out for a walk on Plummer at 2:30 means you are either watching a race or selling drugs!

From the article: "Henry Gevorgya, 21, is accused of driving a gray Ford Mustang that plowed into a crowd of onlookers, killing two spectators and seriously injuring another person"

They were participating...

This item was on the national news break at the top of the hour on my drive into work today... and I'm outside of Washington, D.C.

SOMEBODY wants this to be "big news" outside of SoCal, too.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 07:40 PM

I understand what you guys are saying. YES, we know street racing is illegal. YES, we know it can be dangerous and YES, we know it goes on all the time and will continue to do so. Posting links to all the clips and newcasts in the world won't change that fact. You mourn for anybody who is hurt.............But, lets face a few facts here as well. If you are KNOWINGLY at a street race, as these dudes apparently were and your choice of vantage points is ON THE CURB, where the cars will be racing between at full speed, YOU are an idiot.

Would you stand on the track at a dragstrip if they let you? Do you see guys lining the streets watching on the TV show? At some point, even though something is dangerous, YOU have to use some common sense and be responsible for your own well being.

I have street raced and think most ANYBODY who has or ever had a performance type car, or any car for that matter has engaged in it in some way or another. Have you ever quickly closed the gap on the guy who flies by you on the expressway, before he can cut you off. Have you made it your mission to "beat" that guy to the next redlight, or hammered by somebody to get in front of them to make the next turn. Have you finally got by a guy in the left lane and nearly took his bumper off, when you shot back in front of him. All this stuff is DANGEROUS. Is it as dangerous as lining up on a deserted road and seeing who is faster. In some cases, our everyday driving and things we do is much MORE dangerous than a clandestine street race, because of the others around.

I think it is crazy, to think this show is trying to "glorify" street racing. It is simply a TV show. So lets not try and tie street racing fatalities to this show. That has always happened at times and will continue. But if you DO go to a street race. DON'T stand on the damn curb.

Monte

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 07:46 PM

So wonder if the family of any of the victims tries to sue Discovery channel or the producers of the show. It is in Cali afterall....

I raced on the streets as I am sure most of us did at one point or another. I eventually matured and realized it was a dangerous activity and moved it to the track. I stated earlier in this post that I did it to support my habit and family for a time. The one thing we DID not do was make a spectacle of ourselves. When I was racing for money the last thing any of us wanted was ATTENTION. I think you can agree this show is doing quite the opposite, whether staged or not they are trying to glamourize an illegal activity plain and simple.

I think some of you need to spend more time around younger people. They like we did back in the day have a different outlook on things. Many of them have lived in a world of social media, instance gratification and "internet fame". They just see things different than we did.

It has been my job for a number of years until recently to work directly with young men and women who are in our hobby on a personal level. I think you will find many of them hold a certain reverence to these guys. Many want to emulate what they see on the internet and TV. At a recent Midnite Mayhem here, our local tracks alternative to the streets I heard some folks talking about wanting to do something similar here, forming a top 10 street race group here. Would they have had the idea without the show? Who knows 100% for sure but the idea came directly from what was on TV according to what was being discussed.

Just saying I think some people posting on here might want to spend some time up close and personal with some younger people. It does not help that the sport is so expensive to get involved in. How many here have reached out to the younger generation and got them to the track? Invite them to come spectate or help with the car. I think you will find many or more than enthusiastic to come. I know they have always been with us.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 07:49 PM

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I think it is crazy, to think this show is trying to "glorify" street racing. It is simply a TV show..Monte

Yes it is , its a TV show GLORIFYING STREET RACING, thats why its called street outlaws.

If it wasn't glorifying it would be a documentry showing the bad that can happen.

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 07:50 PM

The same people at midnight mayhem talking about a "list" are likely already racing on the streets around LV.

It's already going on.

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 07:57 PM

Nooo ya think???

That was not my point. Maybe I am not clear enough. But if people do not think the show is getting more people involved in street racing I think it is a na�ve view.

Posted By: jose jones

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 08:17 PM

I seriously doubt any of the cars on Street Outlaws could drive 50 miles on the street, They are full blown race cars. If you watch the show you can see that it is on a closed road with safety equipment in case of a accident. If it wasn't staged there would be hundreds of people standing around the starting line, The only people there are the racers, their friends and families.It is a TV show with some pretty fast cars period.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 08:33 PM

I view it as what it is, entertainment. I have watched "Moonshiners", I'm not building a still in the woods behind my house. Nor am I patrolling my property with my AR to make sure guys are not stealing my "Seng". Don't plan on moving to Alaska to build a cabin, nor am I selling my soul to go dig gold out of the ground. I like guns, have a lot. I don't watch "Justified" and then dream of going out and drawing down on guys. I also didn't join a biker gang after watching SOA, or those idiot bikers from Cali(Devils Ride). WE as car guys, relate to Street Outlaws, because WE are car guys and can relate to what these guys do, because WE have likely done the same. The majority of the shows viewership are NOT car people. You can obviously see that in the crowd when fans flock to see them at local tracks. Many have NEVER been to a racetrack before. Are you saying that after watching the show, the average viewer is going out and building a "street race car".......of course not. Those local guys talking about a "top 10" list........well, you can surely bet your azz, they are ALREADY racing. They may have gotten the "list" idea from the show, but to think that has MADE them go out and race, is in my eyes a stretch.

How many times you go to the local track for "Midnight Madness" and on the way out of the track, guys are hammering their cars, leaving blackmarks, or racing up the highway. I know here, I see it every time I go. In my opinion, this show increases the amount of illegal "street racing" no more than watching an NHRA or NASCAR race on TV. Guys who "street race" after watching that show were ALREADY doing it.

As far as "putting it on the track", Chief and Shawn both, are supposed to be in Memphis racing their cars in actual competition, at the upcoming race next month.

Posted By: camastomcat

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 08:35 PM

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Nooo ya think???

That was not my point. Maybe I am not clear enough. But if people do not think the show is getting more people involved in street racing I think it is a na�ve view.

As you stated, some of us grew out of it. Apparently, some didn't. Youth is bliss until someone gets killed or worse yet, kills somebody else's family. The NHRA obviously has other objectives in writing the letter, but as I said before, I would like to see these guys up their game and image at a non prepared track. At least that way the youth that wants to emulate what they are doing, sees them doing it at the right place. And, I agree, how stupid do you have to be to be standing along a road where there are no barriers, and people are racing?

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 08:39 PM

I think Asian and Farm-jerk do more damage to NHRA's image than the hard-core street outlaws do. And that part 2 weeks ago with them renting a street sweeper and going out to clean the street was really STUPID. Just watch the show and you could see it was two different locations. Love the racing part of the show but the filler really stinks it up.

Posted By: rowin4

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 08:43 PM

There in the same STUPID category as the people that stand next to the front of a car doing a pull on a drive on dyno.

Posted By: BobR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 08:46 PM

I watched one episode out of total boredom. The comedic factor was the only thing that kept me from switching channels. Yes, there is some decent iron representing but the entire premise is a farce.

Posted By: Cudajon

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 09:56 PM

Just got the latest Crower catalog and Big Chief and Monza are featured in it. Their picture also popped up in my latest National Dragster in at least one advertisement. That means their faces mean something to racers. Just saying.

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 10:31 PM

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Just got the latest Crower catalog and Big Chief and Monza are featured in it. Their picture also popped up in my latest National Dragster in at least one advertisement. That means their faces mean something to racers. Just saying.

So the NHRA isn't against taking money from sponsors that use the guys for promotional purposes... Oh the irony! LMAO

Posted By: BradH

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/27/15 11:13 PM

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Just got the latest Crower catalog and Big Chief and Monza are featured in it. Their picture also popped up in my latest National Dragster in at least one advertisement. That means their faces mean something to racers. Just saying.

I'd say it's more accurate that their faces mean something to marketers, not necessarily racers.

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/28/15 12:41 AM

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http://abc7.com/news/2-pedestrians-killed-in-chatsworth-street-racing-hit-and-run/535300/

Pittsburgracer quit trying to cloud the issue with the REALITY of reality of illegal street racing which is exactly what this show promotes..

Here's my question.. WHAT IF.????

It's always a possibility, you never know...... IF....

On this TV show, Someone DIES..

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/los-angeles-police-id-suspect-in-fatal-street-race/ar-BBhZPmr

Just throwing it out there..

Chris..

What if......just throwing it out there.....but what if, a racer died on live national television, at an NHRA event? Oh wait, that has already happened. Scott Kalitta is the first example that comes to mind. Should NHRA be shut down because somebody died? Racing is inherently dangerous, no matter where its done.

No Dave, what I'm speculating is that there may be charges brought up on whoever did the deed. Not to mention the lawsuits afterwards..

THEY have stated that what they are doing is illegal.

(Even though WE know it's on a closed street)

Chris..

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/28/15 01:12 AM

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I'd say it's more accurate that their faces mean something to marketers, not necessarily racers.

Marketing doesn't toss around money with no expectation of return.

Posted By: toplescuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/28/15 04:14 AM

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Was my understanding that nhra wanted in on the show early on in some shape/form. And was told to get lost. That may be the reason behind trying to get back at the street outlaw guys. Kinda like if I cant be a part of your show. Then your not gonna be a part of mine

Links? Supporting documentation? Or is this just more internet heresay?
So you're saying it took the vindictive NHRA 3 years to figure out a way to get revenge? lmao.

Comeon guys turn off your conspiracy theory generators and stop making up or repeating the bs that the haters are spewing on the internet.

That was stright from doc and I belive dominator said same thing
They (chief monza doc dominator and daddy dave ) all post often over on the bullet

Posted By: BradH

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/28/15 04:42 AM

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I'd say it's more accurate that their faces mean something to marketers, not necessarily racers.

Marketing doesn't toss around money with no expectation of return.

And not all marketing strategies are successful, either.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/28/15 05:41 AM

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Was my understanding that nhra wanted in on the show early on in some shape/form. And was told to get lost. That may be the reason behind trying to get back at the street outlaw guys. Kinda like if I cant be a part of your show. Then your not gonna be a part of mine

Links? Supporting documentation? Or is this just more internet heresay?
So you're saying it took the vindictive NHRA 3 years to figure out a way to get revenge? lmao.

Comeon guys turn off your conspiracy theory generators and stop making up or repeating the bs that the haters are spewing on the internet.

That was stright from doc and I belive dominator said same thing
They (chief monza doc dominator and daddy dave ) all post often over on the bullet

I don't believe that at all. NHRA warned them after the first season this might happen. Why on earth would NHRA want to be part of a show that shows illegal street racing? (we know its fake but)

Posted By: skicker

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/28/15 06:05 AM

I've tried to do a pretty extensive amount of "reading around" on this over the last 10 days or so.
Don't ask for sources as I've read so much I'm not sure where some were found.
What I've been able to determine was that S/O Producers were contacted in season 1 or early in season 2 by the NHRA wanting a percentage or some type of "deal" from the show due to its "drag racing" similarities.
They were told to pound sand by Pilgrim Productions.
Now a few of NHRA's participants are also appearing on S/O. I can see where there may be a conflict here...but to dictate what you do in your personal life, offtrack from NHRA is a strong leap from what the reasoning in the letters stated.
As an outsiders OPINION as I do not now or ever will hold an NHRA competitors license I initially thought this looked like a money grab...but where were the motives? How could they cash in?
Tossing out all the internet drivel both pro and con I developed my own OPINION.
After reading what relevant information is out there I've come to MY conclusion that they are plain and simple butthurt. The letters were a way of making sure that others did not follow in the footsteps of those receiving the letters. Maybe a "stop the bleeding" tactic.
It's basically a "agree with us" or be banished policy. Which in itself is a conflict of interest for the original reason NHRA was formed...which was to get "street racers" off of the street.
The one thing to me that doesn't make sense is if your TRUE goal is to get racers to the track why would you "banish" members only to have them do what your entire mission statement is against.

The ironic thing is the amount of hypocrites all over the net that condemn this when ALL have "street raced" at some time or another.
"I" think was a hastily...very poor thought out decision by NHRA that will reflect badly on them in the future.
I would be interested to see over the next two years or so if the number of NHRA members rises or drops...that would be a telling tale of how well this decision went...it may end up not even being noticable.

Posted By: toplescuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/28/15 06:23 AM

Ask monty. He is in pretty good with them...ask him if nhra came to pilgrim early on wanting a slice of the pie

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/28/15 08:51 AM

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Ask monty. He is in pretty good with them...ask him if nhra came to pilgrim early on wanting a slice of the pie

Yes

Posted By: skicker

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/28/15 09:25 AM

Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 02/28/15 01:50 PM

Can someone please post the specific section in the NHRA rule book that clearly states of you are involved in street racing, they have the authority to revoke your license?

I've been to a few BIG money $35,000+ (plus side bets) street races, where the cops block the road to get if off... Of course this is just two cars getting it on, not a whole night of racing. But even at that, it's an all night production.

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 07:47 AM

Murder.... Interesting..

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/owne...race/ar-BBicgz9

Chris

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 09:57 AM

What a waste of taxpayer money. If what his attorney says is true, the MOST they can charge him with is participating in an unlawful gathering.

Monte

Posted By: Eric

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 03:18 PM

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What a waste of taxpayer money. If what his attorney says is true, the MOST they can charge him with is participating in an unlawful gathering.

Monte

and...someone is dead.

Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 04:38 PM

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What a waste of taxpayer money. If what his attorney says is true, the MOST they can charge him with is participating in an unlawful gathering.

Monte

Not true Monte. He was a participant in a knowingly illegal activity that caused the death of someone. Same as the passenger going along on the ride of a known robbery and someone gets killed. Even though that person may have stayed in the vehicle, that person will also be charged with murder.

But most likely, he will plead it down to something lesser.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 05:47 PM

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What a waste of taxpayer money. If what his attorney says is true, the MOST they can charge him with is participating in an unlawful gathering.

Monte

Not true Monte. He was a participant in a knowingly illegal activity that caused the death of someone. Same as the passenger going along on the ride of a known robbery and someone gets killed. Even though that person may have stayed in the vehicle, that person will also be charged with murder.

But most likely, he will plead it down to something lesser.

So was EVERYBODY else that attended. They going to charge everyone in the crowd with murder. Illegal street racing is NOT a felony offence. This would be like you are your buddy out base jumping(while is illegal). If he died, would YOU be charged with murder?

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 06:12 PM

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What a waste of taxpayer money. If what his attorney says is true, the MOST they can charge him with is participating in an unlawful gathering.

Monte

Not true Monte. He was a participant in a knowingly illegal activity that caused the death of someone. Same as the passenger going along on the ride of a known robbery and someone gets killed. Even though that person may have stayed in the vehicle, that person will also be charged with murder.

But most likely, he will plead it down to something lesser.

So was EVERYBODY else that attended. They going to charge everyone in the crowd with murder. Illegal street racing is NOT a felony offence. This would be like you are your buddy out base jumping(while is illegal). If he died, would YOU be charged with murder?

well if you understand the law, the drivers, owners, flagman, finish line watchers, even if you hold the car while its doing a burnout all can be charged.

Illegal street racing is a felony if someone dies. The California governer signed this law years ago.

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 06:22 PM

The crushing of street racers cars will be flooded on YouTube in the months to follow.

Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 08:18 PM

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What a waste of taxpayer money. If what his attorney says is true, the MOST they can charge him with is participating in an unlawful gathering.

Monte

Not true Monte. He was a participant in a knowingly illegal activity that caused the death of someone. Same as the passenger going along on the ride of a known robbery and someone gets killed. Even though that person may have stayed in the vehicle, that person will also be charged with murder.

But most likely, he will plead it down to something lesser.

So was EVERYBODY else that attended. They going to charge everyone in the crowd with murder. Illegal street racing is NOT a felony offence. This would be like you are your buddy out base jumping(while is illegal). If he died, would YOU be charged with murder?

I am just defining the law... But yes, they all could be charged. And there would be a justifiable difference for the responsibility of the crime between the owner of the car and a spectator who was watching. If the spectator was not watching, the death still would have occurred. The same cannot be said about if the car was not involved.

And yes, depending on the state, you could be charged in the death if you and your friend went and did something illegal and he died as a result. I can assure you here in Texas if me and someone else went flying down a highway at 169 mph (which I did in my AMG and will NEVER do again) and we crashed and he died, I would be charged with his death.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 10:40 PM

My point is, that in a round about way, anybody could be charged with anything. Charging and making it "stick" are two different things. May have been "his" car and yes, he was at the event participating, but a murder charge will never stick to him.

I know a guy who got in this same mess a few years ago here in Alabama, at a street race in Birmingham. Guy I know was driving another mans car. Same thing, got loose, in the crowd, guy died. In the end, they didn't even care who owned the car, only who was behind the wheel. Driver here ending up doing about two years in county lockup, while being allowed to go to his regular job during the day.

Now they might be trying to lower the boom on this guy, but any decent lawyer, will break that down.

I am NOT diminishing the fact that someone died here......but to go after the owner, who was NOT driving the car.....c'mon. How about putting a little effect into WHO was driving and fled the scene.

Posted By: GY3

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 10:48 PM

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My point is, that in a round about way, anybody could be charged with anything. Charging and making it "stick" are two different things. May have been "his" car and yes, he was at the event participating, but a murder charge will never stick to him.

I know a guy who got in this same mess a few years ago here in Alabama, at a street race in Birmingham. Guy I know was driving another mans car. Same thing, got loose, in the crowd, guy died. In the end, they didn't even care who owned the car, only who was behind the wheel. Driver here ending up doing about two years in county lockup, while being allowed to go to his regular job during the day.

Now they might be trying to lower the boom on this guy, but any decent lawyer, will break that down.

I am NOT diminishing the fact that someone died here......but to go after the owner, who was NOT driving the car.....c'mon. How about putting a little effect into WHO was driving and fled the scene.

...and I assume it was for manslaughter, not murder, correct?

Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 11:13 PM

Murder is with aforethought...Manslaughter is without the intent to kill as long as the death did not occur during the commission of a felony.

I think it will be reduced to manslaughter based on what I read.

Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 11:21 PM

Monte, I am certainly not trying to argue with you or split hairs, but the big issue that is going to be brought up in court is that they know what they are doing is very dangerous and could result in the death of someone, yet they decided to do it anyway.

Is there a difference if you let your 14 year old take out the car for a spin and they kill someone? Sure no one ever intends on harming someone but we all know what could happen. It will be interesting to follow the results of this. My bet is involuntary manslaughter for the owner of the car.

Posted By: d100dragracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 11:28 PM

I personally love the show I know most of it is staged that's all fine and dandy as long as the racing is racing and it looks like it is.
As for the haters just don't watch the show simple as that I don't care what you like or don't like but last time I checked we are a free nation at least for the time being that might change to looks like but that's another subject.
Hell I loved Breaking Bad to but it didn't make me want to go build a Meth Lab in the garage.
Street Outlaws doesn't make anybody do anything we are all responsible for our actions and if someone got the itch to street race because of the show well they know its illegal to do so I think all this talk about banning the show is silly this is the USA not the USSR once again at least for the time being. DONT WATCH IT IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH IT. I love the show.
Let the haters jump straight up and down now over my comments. This will be my one and only comment on the subject. Good day!!

Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/04/15 11:33 PM

"we are all responsible for our actions"

I agree that we should be, but the lawyers and juries seem to think otherwise...

Posted By: rickstershemi

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 12:21 AM

Felony Murder, he will most likely give up the driver and plead to a lessor charge

It's a damn shame.....but it's not the 50's anymore

Rickster

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 12:21 AM

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"we are all responsible for our actions"

I agree that we should be, but the lawyers and juries seem to think otherwise...

thats all well and good right up until somebody gets dragged into something they had no part of. Thats the problem with promoting illegal stuff.

Posted By: justinp61

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 01:03 AM

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Felony Murder, he will most likely give up the driver and plead to a lessor charge

Rickster

I'd say that's what the DA is after.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 01:14 AM

I just don't see the owner of the car getting anything. The owner here didn't and he was "on site" as well. There was no intent and he basically "loaned" somebody his car. If I loan you my car, you drive it up on the curb right in front of me and kill someone.....am I liable. Intent will be the issue. Yes, I understand they were doing something illegal, but normally street racing is at most a "reckless driving" charge.

And lets not forget the "victim" was also voluntarily taking part in said illegal activity

Posted By: 440Jim

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 12:29 PM

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My point is, that in a round about way, anybody could be charged with anything. Charging and making it "stick" are two different things. ...
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Now they might be trying to lower the boom on this guy, but any decent lawyer, will break that down.

I am NOT diminishing the fact that someone died here......but to go after the owner, who was NOT driving the car.....c'mon. How about putting a little effect into WHO was driving and fled the scene.

No doubt it is the driver. Heavy handed law enforcement practices don't make them right and they will never convict the owner in court of that charge.

Posted By: booger

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 02:41 PM

Charges like that are how people get away with things.

Posted By: jose jones

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 04:10 PM

I was watching S.O. they were testing a car with the girl who races, It was at night and you can see the stripes at the end of a airport runway as she launches the car. a few seconds later a police car with the siren and lights flashing goes past the camera chasing her. WOW he was chasing her down a closed airport runway.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 06:58 PM

It was said a few pages back, that NHRA can't possibly care about the SO and their lowly little TV show......can't possibly feel threatened, yada, yada, yada.............Well whatever they have going on, they seem to have some real sandy vag's. Not well known, but they called DURING the event at the recent race at SGMP and announced to the promoter, that they had determined this "EVENT", the Lights Out race, was not a family friendly environment and were not going to provide insurance for it. The track was forced to switch from NHRA to IHRA sanction during the race, to be covered.

Now you can call me a "tin hat" guy or whatever you want, but Donald has had what, 8 of these races so far and NOW they conclude "during" the event, that it is not a family friendly environment.......that's BS. It was nothing more than a lame attempt to get the race stopped. That's a "DICK" move by NHRA.............Oh and guess who was in attendance and getting lots of attention on the internet.....Chief, Shawn, Doc, Daddy Dave and Monza............nah, they(NHRA) couldn't possibly be giving these peons and wanna be's any attention..........LOL!!!

Monte

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 07:23 PM

I attended the World Of Wheels car show in Pittsburgh January 24 and if people don't think these guys draw a crowd you are only fooling yourself. Asian and Farmtruck were in attendance and for the first time in probably 12 shows I attended I waited in a line 4-5 wide and it wrapped around the block. Inside kids and adults waited for hours to get a picture taken with them or an autograph. NHRA would be smart NOT to alienate the fans of the show. Ignore possibly, but they made a bad move sticking their nose into this.

Posted By: skicker

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 08:30 PM

Thx for the info Monte...

Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 08:54 PM

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It was said a few pages back, that NHRA can't possibly care about the SO and their lowly little TV show......can't possibly feel threatened, yada, yada, yada.............Well whatever they have going on, they seem to have some real sandy vag's. Not well known, but they called DURING the event at the recent race at SGMP and announced to the promoter, that they had determined this "EVENT", the Lights Out race, was not a family friendly environment and were not going to provide insurance for it. The track was forced to switch from NHRA to IHRA sanction during the race, to be covered.

Now you can call me a "tin hat" guy or whatever you want, but Donald has had what, 8 of these races so far and NOW they conclude "during" the event, that it is not a family friendly environment.......that's BS. It was nothing more than a lame attempt to get the race stopped. That's a "DICK" move by NHRA.............Oh and guess who was in attendance and getting lots of attention on the internet.....Chief, Shawn, Doc, Daddy Dave and Monza............nah, they(NHRA) couldn't possibly be giving these peons and wanna be's any attention..........LOL!!!

Monte

I was wondering why that happened, I heard something about that in the pits when I was there at SGMP for Lights Out. That is some chicken poop stuff if you ask me

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 09:30 PM

LOL, take off the tinfoil hats, here is the press release:

South Georgia Motorsports Park joins IHRA
2/19/2015
Norwalk, OH

IRG Sports + Entertainment� and the International Hot Rod Association� (IHRA) are proud to announce South Georgia Motorsports Park has signed a multi-year sanctioning agreement to join the IHRA as a member track.

Located on U.S. 41 in Cecil, Georgia, South Georgia Motorsports Park (www.goracesgmp.com) is under new ownership. Ozzy Moya, of Orlando, Florida, also owns IHRA-sanctioned Lakeland Dragstrip in Lakeland, Florida and Orlando Speedworld Dragway in Orlando, Florida. Moya purchased South Georgia Motorsports Park earlier this month.

"We are pleased to welcome Ozzy's newest track to our IHRA family," said IHRA President Scott Gardner. "South Georgia Motorsports Park is a beautiful facility and Ozzy is a respected member of the IHRA and drag racing community."

SGMP's 2015 season opens this weekend with the Duck X Productions "Lights Out 6." For more information on South Georgia Motorsports Park, please call (229) 255-2250.

For more information, please contact the IHRA at (419) 663-6666 or visit www.IHRA.com. Follow @IHRA on Twitter and Instagram. Follow us on Facebook.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 10:19 PM

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LOL, take off the tinfoil hats, here is the press release:

South Georgia Motorsports Park joins IHRA
2/19/2015
Norwalk, OH

IRG Sports + Entertainment� and the International Hot Rod Association� (IHRA) are proud to announce South Georgia Motorsports Park has signed a multi-year sanctioning agreement to join the IHRA as a member track.

Located on U.S. 41 in Cecil, Georgia, South Georgia Motorsports Park (www.goracesgmp.com) is under new ownership. Ozzy Moya, of Orlando, Florida, also owns IHRA-sanctioned Lakeland Dragstrip in Lakeland, Florida and Orlando Speedworld Dragway in Orlando, Florida. Moya purchased South Georgia Motorsports Park earlier this month.

"We are pleased to welcome Ozzy's newest track to our IHRA family," said IHRA President Scott Gardner. "South Georgia Motorsports Park is a beautiful facility and Ozzy is a respected member of the IHRA and drag racing community."

SGMP's 2015 season opens this weekend with the Duck X Productions "Lights Out 6." For more information on South Georgia Motorsports Park, please call (229) 255-2250.

For more information, please contact the IHRA at (419) 663-6666 or visit www.IHRA.com. Follow @IHRA on Twitter and Instagram. Follow us on Facebook.

Yes, but WHY it happened was the issue. There was no intention to switch the track to IHRA, UNTIL the NHRA called DURING the event and told them "we will not insure this event, because we don't feel it is a FAMILY environment".........that's BS. Way to go guys......show your azz, lose one of the nicer tracks in Division 2......good job.

Now Ozzy MAY have intended to switch to IHRA later, but certainly not WHILE an event was going on......plus, the track already had scheduled division II events, where turn out is always good, so "why mess with it" was the prevailing thoughts.

All this and the WAY it went down was confirmed to me this morning, by someone who was involved with the whole debacle. Ozzy and Duck had already been in contact with NHRA, all was good and the "status quo" was to remain from previous owners and the arrangements they had. Then you have pits full of cars, event IN PROGRESS and get the call, saying basically "we changed our mind"......nice job

Monte

Posted By: booger

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 10:56 PM

Monte,

Two things confuse me about that

1. The press release is talking about lights out being in the future, as if the release was prepared before the event, not during.

2. Why you choose to get bogged down in this mess.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 11:08 PM

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Monte,

Two things confuse me about that

1. The press release is talking about lights out being in the future, as if the release was prepared before the event, not during.

2. Why you choose to get bogged down in this mess.

That press release is dated the 19th, the Lights Out event started on Tuesday the 17th.......so as Duck would say "where is the confusion". Seems a press release issued on the 19th, for an event that goes 17th-22nd, would be DURING an event....no?

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 11:34 PM

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Monte,

Two things confuse me about that

1. The press release is talking about lights out being in the future, as if the release was prepared before the event, not during.

2. Why you choose to get bogged down in this mess.

That press release is dated the 19th, the Lights Out event started on Tuesday the 17th.......so as Duck would say "where is the confusion". Seems a press release issued on the 19th, for an event that goes 17th-22nd, would be DURING an event....no?

When did this Ozzy guy buy it.. sounds like his other
tracks are IHRA also so switching over would be his
normal

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 11:35 PM

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Monte,

Two things confuse me about that

1. The press release is talking about lights out being in the future, as if the release was prepared before the event, not during.

2. Why you choose to get bogged down in this mess.

That press release is dated the 19th, the Lights Out event started on Tuesday the 17th.......so as Duck would say "where is the confusion". Seems a press release issued on the 19th, for an event that goes 17th-22nd, would be DURING an event....no?

hmm looks like it officialy started on thursday (although they were there since tuesday for parking and testing)

Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 11:38 PM

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Monte,

Two things confuse me about that

1. The press release is talking about lights out being in the future, as if the release was prepared before the event, not during.

2. Why you choose to get bogged down in this mess.

That press release is dated the 19th, the Lights Out event started on Tuesday the 17th.......so as Duck would say "where is the confusion". Seems a press release issued on the 19th, for an event that goes 17th-22nd, would be DURING an event....no?

When did this Ozzy guy buy it.. sounds like his other
tracks are IHRA also so switching over would be his
normal

The Lakeland Florida track is IHRA, Orlando Speed World is NHRA.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 11:38 PM

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Monte,

Two things confuse me about that

1. The press release is talking about lights out being in the future, as if the release was prepared before the event, not during.

2. Why you choose to get bogged down in this mess.

That press release is dated the 19th, the Lights Out event started on Tuesday the 17th.......so as Duck would say "where is the confusion". Seems a press release issued on the 19th, for an event that goes 17th-22nd, would be DURING an event....no?

When did this Ozzy guy buy it.. sounds like his other
tracks are IHRA also so switching over would be his
normal

Feb 10th was the press release

Posted By: d-150

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 11:40 PM

orlando is also ihra

Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/05/15 11:45 PM

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orlando is also ihra

When did that happen? The home page still says NHRA.

http://www.raceosw.com/dragway/

Posted By: 300by500

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 12:05 AM

Late to the party... but that Street Outlaws show is Stupid with a capital "S".

The NHRA was created to give street racers a way to race safely.

The NHRA has never come down on street racers on such a scale in the past because it has never been made as public as the Street Outlaw TV show, which has created an "in your face" type situation.

For the NHRA to remain silent about it would give the impression that street racing is done with the NHRA's consent. They really have no choice but to oppose it in some manner.

In my younger days I raced both ways. But if I had to choose between attending / participating in a "Street Outlaws" staged-soap-opera reality-show "race" or an NHRA event, I would stick to racing at the track.... and it wouldn't bother me if "Farmtruck" wasn't there.

Posted By: keefe

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 12:18 AM

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Late to the party... but that Street Outlaws show is Stupid with a capital "S".

The NHRA was created to give street racers a way to race safely.

The NHRA has never come down on street racers on such a scale in the past because it has never been made as public as the Street Outlaw TV show, which has created an "in your face" type situation.

For the NHRA to remain silent about it would give the impression that street racing is done with the NHRA's consent. They really have no choice but to oppose it in some manner.

In my younger days I raced both ways. But if I had to choose between attending / participating in a "Street Outlaws" staged-soap-opera reality-show "race" or an NHRA event, I would stick to racing at the track.... and it wouldn't bother me if "Farmtruck" wasn't there.

I have a question..What has NHRA done in the last 20 to 30 years to help stop street racing?

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 01:11 AM

can we just get back to the 8-3/4 /9" dana / pinion angle threads? this thread is meaningless

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 01:15 AM

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Monte,

Two things confuse me about that

1. The press release is talking about lights out being in the future, as if the release was prepared before the event, not during.

2. Why you choose to get bogged down in this mess.

That press release is dated the 19th, the Lights Out event started on Tuesday the 17th.......so as Duck would say "where is the confusion". Seems a press release issued on the 19th, for an event that goes 17th-22nd, would be DURING an event....no?

hmm looks like it officialy started on thursday (although they were there since tuesday for parking and testing)

If the track is open, cars are going up and down it, you would need insurance.....No?..............but it really makes no difference, you can believe whatever you want to. All I know is what the track owner and promoter told me, so that's good enough for me.

Monte

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 01:19 AM

come on Monte, speculation is always better than something coming from the horses mouth. some people are just pissed because they were not allowed to race the SO boyz.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 01:24 AM

Yeah I know..........should never let a little things like facts get in the way of a good internet pissing match.........LOL!!!

Posted By: GY3

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 02:01 AM

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Yeah I know..........should never let a little things like facts get in the way of a good internet pissing match.........LOL!!!

FACT!

Posted By: bigdad

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 02:07 AM

http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/05/izzy-valenzuela-arrested-murder-street-outlaws-racing-accident/

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 02:37 AM

That's gonna leave a mark.

Posted By: GY3

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 03:10 AM

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http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/05/izzy-valenzuela-arrested-murder-street-outlaws-racing-accident/

Well, they told them not to be dumbasses.

Doesn't look like someone listened..

Posted By: BBR

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 03:11 AM

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http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/05/izzy-valenzuela-arrested-murder-street-outlaws-racing-accident/

Oopsie.

Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 03:19 AM

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Yeah I know..........should never let a little things like facts get in the way of a good internet pissing match.........LOL!!!

Stop bringing facts in here our you are going to get banned

Posted By: crackedback

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 03:55 AM

Izzy has been in the game LONG before the TV show. Carry on! LOL

Alleged to be driving the other car, not the one that hit those people.

Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 03:55 PM

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http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/05/izzy-valenzuela-arrested-murder-street-outlaws-racing-accident/

Hmmm..interesting...

Posted By: Hemi_Joel

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 08:03 PM

It sure looks to me like the NHRA knows what they are doing after all. Had they not taken a stance like they did, or even worse had they cozied up to the outlaws, their name would be getting dragged through the mud big time over this.

Posted By: 67Satty

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 08:15 PM

Here are some facts for the people who have been asking for them or don't understand what "implied malice" is:

http://www.lapdracing.com/StreetRacingcanbeMurder.html

Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 10:04 PM

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Here are some facts for the people who have been asking for them or don't understand what "implied malice" is:

http://www.lapdracing.com/StreetRacingcanbeMurder.html

Good article. I think I said the same thing somewhere in this post...

Posted By: JERICOGTX

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 10:14 PM

Charging him with Murder, he will get off. Charging him with Manslaughter, and he will go to jail for a while. The charge doesn't match what the crime actually was.

Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/06/15 10:19 PM

I don't know about where you live but here in Florida you can be tried for 1st degree murder but the jury can also consider lesser related sentences.

Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 03:43 AM

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It sure looks to me like the NHRA knows what they are doing after all. Had they not taken a stance like they did, or even worse had they cozied up to the outlaws, their name would be getting dragged through the mud big time over this.

How do you figure that? This didn't happen on NHRA "property" and has nothing to do with them. There was/is no evidence of their brand/logo at the scene. Does he even have a NHRA license?? How is he or this matter in any way associated with the NHRA?
I notice he isn't being linked to the IHRA or the ADRL. Why?

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 05:08 AM

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It sure looks to me like the NHRA knows what they are doing after all. Had they not taken a stance like they did, or even worse had they cozied up to the outlaws, their name would be getting dragged through the mud big time over this.

How do you figure that? This didn't happen on NHRA "property" and has nothing to do with them. There was/is no evidence of their brand/logo at the scene. Does he even have a NHRA license?? How is he or this matter in any way associated with the NHRA?
I notice he isn't being linked to the IHRA or the ADRL. Why?

Because when stuff goes bad everybody is linked. the bad press train has seats for all of them

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 06:10 AM

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I notice he isn't being linked to the IHRA or the ADRL. Why?

Because sadly, the IHRA is mostly irrelevant and the ADRL doesn't exist anymore.

Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 03:31 PM

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It sure looks to me like the NHRA knows what they are doing after all. Had they not taken a stance like they did, or even worse had they cozied up to the outlaws, their name would be getting dragged through the mud big time over this.

How do you figure that? This didn't happen on NHRA "property" and has nothing to do with them. There was/is no evidence of their brand/logo at the scene. Does he even have a NHRA license?? How is he or this matter in any way associated with the NHRA?
I notice he isn't being linked to the IHRA or the ADRL. Why?

Because when stuff goes bad everybody is linked. the bad press train has seats for all of them

BINGO! The family of the person who got killed starts blasting the sue shotgun and try to hit everyone.... car mfg, tire makers, NHRA, Discovery, etc. At least NHRA can say they have been trying to distance themselves from street racing.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 03:53 PM

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It sure looks to me like the NHRA knows what they are doing after all. Had they not taken a stance like they did, or even worse had they cozied up to the outlaws, their name would be getting dragged through the mud big time over this.

How do you figure that? This didn't happen on NHRA "property" and has nothing to do with them. There was/is no evidence of their brand/logo at the scene. Does he even have a NHRA license?? How is he or this matter in any way associated with the NHRA?
I notice he isn't being linked to the IHRA or the ADRL. Why?

Because when stuff goes bad everybody is linked. the bad press train has seats for all of them

explain how they could be linked?

Posted By: gregsdart

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 03:54 PM

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My point is, that in a round about way, anybody could be charged with anything. Charging and making it "stick" are two different things. ...
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Now they might be trying to lower the boom on this guy, but any decent lawyer, will break that down.

I am NOT diminishing the fact that someone died here......but to go after the owner, who was NOT driving the car.....c'mon. How about putting a little effect into WHO was driving and fled the scene.

No doubt it is the driver. Heavy handed law enforcement practices don't make them right and they will never convict the owner in court of that charge.

Maybe so, but once charged or in court the lawyers clock is running, win lose or draw. That alone will break the back of a lot of folks.

Posted By: MoparBilly

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 03:56 PM

Perhaps we should revisit this case...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/dr...f-1111117181598

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 03:57 PM

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explain how they could be linked?

On this point I'd have to agree.

If lawyers are involved they could sue a ham sandwich. I have seen such shenanigans in court myself. Everyone with deep pockets is hit even if they didn't have a damn thing to do with anything.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 03:59 PM

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explain how they could be linked?

On this point I'd have to agree.

If lawyers are involved they could sue a ham sandwich. I have seen such shenanigans in court myself. Everyone with deep pockets is hit even if they didn't have a damn thing to do with anything.

there is no way in hell the IHRA or NHRA could be linked to any of this.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 04:06 PM

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there is no way in hell the IHRA or NHRA could be linked to any of this.

The lawyers do not care, they get paid by the hour.

Everyone with deep pockets is hit, everyone.

Sue NHRA, the makers of Grand Theft Auto, etc. It costs pretty nothing to engage in lawfare and if you are lucky you will get a bushel of cash just to go away.

Happens all the time man.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 04:08 PM

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Perhaps we should revisit this case...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/dr...f-1111117181598

I always cringe when I see someone doing a long smokey burnout on a crowded street, things can get sideways in a heartbeat.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 06:28 PM

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there is no way in hell the IHRA or NHRA could be linked to any of this.

The lawyers do not care, they get paid by the hour.

Everyone with deep pockets is hit, everyone.

Sue NHRA, the makers of Grand Theft Auto, etc. It costs pretty nothing to engage in lawfare and if you are lucky you will get a bushel of cash just to go away.

Happens all the time man.

Few years ago, a kid in a "hot rod" Mustang, plowed through an intersection, hit a mini-van, killed a family. Every, I repeat EVERY company that manufactured an aftermarket part that was on that car, OR the car had a sticker for, got hit with the suit. So THAT is how you link some seemingly irrelevant company or person.........Now they WON'T win and they KNOW they won't. But you sue ENOUGH people for millions of dollars each, you will likely collect enough "go away" money to come out good. And in the above scenario, all the "we are anti this, see what we are doing" stuff in the world, won't make a damn bit of difference. Still get hit with a suit if the plaintiff is so inclined.

Posted By: hemicar1971

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 06:41 PM

Just another reason why people own guns and take the law in their own hands because the System of Justice is just way out of hand and the old saying everyone should have their day in court just does not ad up in these kinds of cases. So if I wear my NHRA T Shirt and go do some kind of injustice to the world, everyone that it effected now can take NHRA to court because I wore their Logo on the shirt I bought.

The Courts need to look at these law suits before they even go to court and start tossing them out and stop wasting the tax payers money.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 07:46 PM

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Just another reason why people own guns and take the law in their own hands because the System of Justice is just way out of hand and the old saying everyone should have their day in court just does not ad up in these kinds of cases. So if I wear my NHRA T Shirt and go do some kind of injustice to the world, everyone that it effected now can take NHRA to court because I wore their Logo on the shirt I bought.

The Courts need to look at these law suits before they even go to court and start tossing them out and stop wasting the tax payers money.

you can sue anyone for anything, but the catch is you open yourself to counter suit.

Posted By: Duner

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 10:08 PM

Indulge me for a moment while I play devil's advocate....

Why does the law and or courts view a spectator's death at a street race any differently than they do at a sanctioned NHRA event?

Everybody that's there knows there's risk involved.
Everybody that's there is doing so of their own free will.
One venue was "free" for the spectators while the other charged a fee to enter.
Why is the driver of an NHRA race car not charged with murder if a spectator is killed?

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 10:58 PM

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Indulge me for a moment while I play devil's advocate....

Why does the law and or courts view a spectator's death at a street race any differently than they do at a sanctioned NHRA event?

Everybody that's there knows there's risk involved.
Everybody that's there is doing so of their own free will.
One venue was "free" for the spectators while the other charged a fee to enter.
Why is the driver of an NHRA race car not charged with murder if a spectator is killed?

Because a NHRA race is LEGAL.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/07/15 11:40 PM

Lets look at this another way. People die in traffic accidents every day. How often does the driver get charged with murder? Nearly always manslaughter if anything. Because there IS NO INTENT. Sure these guys were doing something illegal, but they were not TRYING to hurt anyone. Same with traffic accidents. You run a light, a sign, are speeding, reckless driving or any number of other things.........you are doing something ILLEGAL. You hurt someone else, depending on circumstances, you MAY be held accountable, but I don't recall many, if any cases where a murder conviction was handed down. It is after all an ACCIDENT.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 12:09 AM

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Lets look at this another way. People die in traffic accidents every day.

92-93 on average per day.

The prosecutor is just trying to make a name for himself since someone is "famous."

Has Bruce Jenner been charged with murder yet?

Posted By: d-150

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 03:20 AM

for killing bruce jenner

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 03:27 AM

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for killing bruce jenner

bruce jenner is dead>?

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 03:30 AM

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for killing bruce jenner

bruce jenner is dead>?

Killed someone in a car accident, no charges as of yet.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment...ticle-1.2119173

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 03:38 AM

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for killing bruce jenner

bruce jenner is dead>?

Killed someone in a car accident, no charges as of yet.

http://www.ydailynews.com/entertainment...ticle-1.2119173

I know he rear ended somebody BY accident, you said he was dead

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 04:03 AM

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Lets look at this another way. People die in traffic accidents every day. How often does the driver get charged with murder? Nearly always manslaughter if anything. Because there IS NO INTENT. Sure these guys were doing something illegal, but they were not TRYING to hurt anyone. Same with traffic accidents. You run a light, a sign, are speeding, reckless driving or any number of other things.........you are doing something ILLEGAL. You hurt someone else, depending on circumstances, you MAY be held accountable, but I don't recall many, if any cases where a murder conviction was handed down. It is after all an ACCIDENT.

But by California law street racing is a felony. Any death caused during commission of a felony is considered murder.

Realistically? I think the prosecutor is just shaking the tree to see what falls out.

Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 04:40 AM

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for killing bruce jenner

bruce jenner is dead>?

Killed someone in a car accident, no charges as of yet.

http://www.ydailynews.com/entertainment...ticle-1.2119173

I know he rear ended somebody BY accident, you said he was dead

well.....HE is dead.....SHE is alive.....

Posted By: Stroker Scamp

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 04:41 AM

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for killing bruce jenner

bruce jenner is dead>?

Killed someone in a car accident, no charges as of yet.

http://www.ydailynews.com/entertainment...ticle-1.2119173

I know he rear ended somebody BY accident, you said he was dead

Just his face is dead

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 09:22 AM

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Lets look at this another way. People die in traffic accidents every day. How often does the driver get charged with murder? Nearly always manslaughter if anything. Because there IS NO INTENT. Sure these guys were doing something illegal, but they were not TRYING to hurt anyone. Same with traffic accidents. You run a light, a sign, are speeding, reckless driving or any number of other things.........you are doing something ILLEGAL. You hurt someone else, depending on circumstances, you MAY be held accountable, but I don't recall many, if any cases where a murder conviction was handed down. It is after all an ACCIDENT.

But by California law street racing is a felony.

You sure about that? I have heard that rumor, but found nothing to back it up. All I see posted if that your first street racing conviction, you face a min of 24 hrs in jail, a max of 90 days and car impounded for 30 days

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 11:45 AM

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But by California law street racing is a felony.

Fair enough. I spent some time digging and you are correct. I found no proof that street racing in and of itself is a felony. However, once something bad happens resulting in death, Implied Malice takes over and all active participants can be charged with murder, whether you are the driver or passenger in either car, starter, or promoter.

I found this on a California legal site:

"B. Implied Malice Murder

The second category of second-degree murder is implied malice murder, which is an unintentional killing caused by extremely reckless behavior. California law provides two types of implied malice murder: depraved heart murder and provocative act murder. In California, the courts do not use the term "depraved heart murder." The concept is instead discussed in terms of implied malice. However, California courts do utilize the term "provocative act murder." These two categories of implied malice share the same mens rea requirement of extreme recklessness. The primary difference between them is that in provocative act murder, liability attaches because of a particular causal pattern involving a defendant's action and a third party's reaction that kills the victim.

The two basic elements of implied malice murder are: an unlawful act resulting in dangerous consequences, and the defendant knew about the danger of the acts, yet consciously and deliberately disregarded the danger to human life. These elements together show that the defendant acted with extreme recklessness.

In People v. Watson, the California Supreme Court defined implied malice as a subjective determination that the defendant in fact realized that his actions had "a high probability ... [of] ... resulting in death ... [and yet acted] with a base antisocial motive and with a wanton disregard for human life." However, the prosecution does not need to prove that the defendant intended to kill."

I did find cases where California has gotten murder convictions from street racing wrecks too.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 12:11 PM

that does not tie the driver that did not kill the people to it. maybe the guy who did but I don't see how they could charge Izzy.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 12:17 PM

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for killing bruce jenner

bruce jenner is dead>?

Killed someone in a car accident, no charges as of yet.

http://www.ydailynews.com/entertainment...ticle-1.2119173

I know he rear ended somebody BY accident, you said he was dead

Ah you say by accident but what is the difference? The individual is still dead. I never said Bruce Jenner was dead, I said he had not been charged with anything yet.

There is video showing him plowing into a vehicle. Why has he not been charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide at a minimum?

I'm pointing out the absurdity of one driver not being charged with anything and another individual (who was not even driving) being charged with murder.

Courts out of control.

Posted By: torredcuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 03:17 PM

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Indulge me for a moment while I play devil's advocate....

Why does the law and or courts view a spectator's death at a street race any differently than they do at a sanctioned NHRA event?

Everybody that's there knows there's risk involved.
Everybody that's there is doing so of their own free will.
One venue was "free" for the spectators while the other charged a fee to enter.
Why is the driver of an NHRA race car not charged with murder if a spectator is killed?

Because a NHRA race is LEGAL.

The spectators at an illegal street race are involved in an illegal activity by being there and know the risks, they are not innocent bystanders or at a venue where safety measures hae been taken to prevent injuries.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 03:38 PM

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The spectators at an illegal street race are involved in an illegal activity by being there and know the risks, they are not innocent bystanders

The fact that they were hanging out at an illegal event will mean nothing, just like those who happened to be at riots and claim to be innocent.

Posted By: torredcuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 03:41 PM

Nothing in life is ever 100% safe but NHRA and Nascar have done a LOT to make racing safe for both drivers and spectators.

Posted By: Duner

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 05:46 PM

Why would legal vs illegal make any difference to some ambulance chaser when it comes to looking for deep pockets for a payday?

I certainly realize that laws are written and enforced to attempt to keep people in line and for the safety of others, but bad stuff happens all the time. Both the racers and spectators showed up to a known illegal activity. The drivers chose poorly by racing in those conditions. The dead spectators chose poorly by placing themselves in a spot where somebody else's mistake would cost them. All involved share guilt and blame.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 05:52 PM

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Why would legal vs illegal make any difference to some ambulance chaser when it comes to looking for deep pockets for a payday?

I certainly realize that laws are written and enforced to attempt to keep people in line and for the safety of others, but bad stuff happens all the time. Both the racers and spectators showed up to a known illegal activity. The drivers chose poorly by racing in those conditions. The dead spectators chose poorly by placing themselves in a spot where somebody else's mistake would cost them. All involved share guilt and blame.

well said and a good attorney will point that out.

Posted By: gdonovan

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 06:26 PM

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Why would legal vs illegal make any difference to some ambulance chaser when it comes to looking for deep pockets for a payday?

Years ago a dealership I worked next door to was sued and they lost.

A car driven by "A" struck a car at an intersection and caused death or serious injury. The dealer who sold the car to "A" was one of the defendants and had to pay out.

The kicker?

The car "A" was driving was purchased 3 years before. "A" claimed there was a defect in the braking system. The fact that someone worked on the brakes after the car was purchased 3 years prior meant nothing. The fact "A" was legally intoxicated when he slammed into the victims car meant nothing. And mind you this was back in the early 80's before all the M.A.D.D. BS started kicking in and you really had to be pickled to be charged with DUI.

It makes no difference once the lawyers are called in. They go for the biggest pockets.

Posted By: torredcuda

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 10:42 PM

Says lot about our totslly screwed up "justice" system and all the ridiculous lawsuits. I guess that`s what happens when lawyers(politicians) mke the laws - sharks guarding the fishies.

Posted By: Eric

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/08/15 11:50 PM

Moral of this whole story....take it to the track and don't pretend you are doing otherwise on TV.

Posted By: gofish

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/09/15 12:15 AM

Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/09/15 04:08 PM

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Why would legal vs illegal make any difference to some ambulance chaser when it comes to looking for deep pockets for a payday?

I certainly realize that laws are written and enforced to attempt to keep people in line and for the safety of others, but bad stuff happens all the time. Both the racers and spectators showed up to a known illegal activity. The drivers chose poorly by racing in those conditions. The dead spectators chose poorly by placing themselves in a spot where somebody else's mistake would cost them. All involved share guilt and blame.

Except attorneys will state that those that are guilty of watching do not deserve the death penalty. There are plenty of cases similar... people cutting across private property falling into a well suing and winning, etc.

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/09/15 04:17 PM

I know one thing, its Monday night and I am going to miss watching Street Outlaws as their season has ended. And no, watching it did not turn me into a street racer again even though in my younger years I was addicted to street racing.
Breaking Bad did turn me into a dope dealer, Have Gun Will Travel didn't turn me into a bounty hunter and Matlock didn't turn me into a lawyer.

Posted By: skicker

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/09/15 09:58 PM

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Breaking Bad did turn me into a dope dealer,

Wanna revise that???

Posted By: Eric

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/09/15 10:02 PM

Hey John...I'm running a little low...can you hook a brother up?....

Posted By: max_maniac

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/09/15 10:13 PM

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Hey John...I'm running a little low...can you hook a brother up?....

Now I see how he can afford to go 10.5 racing

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/09/15 10:16 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Breaking Bad did turn me into a dope dealer,

Wanna revise that???

WHOOOOOOPS.

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/09/15 10:18 PM

I was wondering why the helicopters were flying over my house all day.

John must need more sleep.

Posted By: dakotawilly

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/09/15 10:35 PM

does that mean when i eat 2 dozen white castles after a day of racing and cause a little foul air to be emitted i can sue them?

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/09/15 10:47 PM

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does that mean when i eat 2 dozen white castles after a day of racing and cause a little foul air to be emitted i can sue them?

No but your Wife or girlfriend could.

Posted By: Cudajon

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/10/15 12:54 AM

There's a special street outlaws tonight, deleted footage, personal profiles, etc.

Posted By: max_maniac

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/10/15 03:16 PM

National Dragster = NHRA correct

So here I am reading the February 13th 2015 edition and at the end of an article about Interstate towing concerning all racers and am surprised at the credits at the end. Now below is word for word what is printed in National Dragster:

Michael Galimi is a regular contributor to national publications, including Race Pages, Fastest Street Car, Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords, Super Chevy and Chevy High Performance. He is also involved with the National Mustang Racers Association and the National Muscle Car Association to promote street-legal drag racng.

to promote street-legal drag racng.

Yep it's printed in their mag ----

Posted By: CHAPPER

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/10/15 03:28 PM

Russ,,,I think it means 'street-legal' CARS....NOT legal street drag racing.

Posted By: max_maniac

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/10/15 03:56 PM

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Russ,,,I think it means 'street-legal' CARS....NOT legal street drag racing.

Fred I agree but thats not whats printed so - let the legal team defend that one

mo money mo money mo money for the lawyers

Posted By: CHAPPER

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/10/15 04:01 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Russ,,,I think it means 'street-legal' CARS....NOT legal street drag racing.

Fred I agree but thats not whats printed so - let the legal team defend that one

mo money mo money mo money for the lawyers

NHRA will blame it on their 'proof readers'. Also, they will say .."you know what we meant, taken out of context, etc"

Never ending battle

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/10/15 05:31 PM

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Michael Galimi is a regular contributor to national publications, including Race Pages, Fastest Street Car, Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords, Super Chevy and Chevy High Performance. He is also involved with the National Mustang Racers Association and the National Muscle Car Association to promote street-legal drag racng.

to promote street-legal drag racng.

Yep it's printed in their mag ----

Yes, it is drag racing at the track with street legal cars. Not really that hard to understand.

Posted By: B G Racing

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/10/15 06:14 PM

TV shows are certainly entertaining,especially the "reality shows".Try anything like that in Pa.and you can really get in trouble.Back in the early 70s a entire famly and street racer was killed near Pittsburgh.From that incident legislation was passed making Street racing a feloney offence.If in the course of partisipating in street racing if injury or death results,those found guilty can be charged with criminal neglience and due to the severity can get substancial jail time as well as being sued civily for damages resulting in injury or wrongfull death.Once you create a situation cause by willing partisipation in an unlawful act you become criminally liable.

Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop..... - 03/11/15 01:29 AM

What came first the chicken or the egg? I have been to a lot of street races and when the police come the spectators run like fleas! They can be charged with aiding and abetting. I understand if a non involved (non spectator or racer)is injured then there should be criminal charges but is a spectator or racer/starter/organizer is injured, they understand that they are committing a crime before the race ever starts.

nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....