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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....
[Re: skicker]
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02/28/15 09:50 AM
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Can someone please post the specific section in the NHRA rule book that clearly states of you are involved in street racing, they have the authority to revoke your license?
I've been to a few BIG money $35,000+ (plus side bets) street races, where the cops block the road to get if off... Of course this is just two cars getting it on, not a whole night of racing. But even at that, it's an all night production.
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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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03/04/15 12:38 PM
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What a waste of taxpayer money. If what his attorney says is true, the MOST they can charge him with is participating in an unlawful gathering.
Monte
Not true Monte. He was a participant in a knowingly illegal activity that caused the death of someone. Same as the passenger going along on the ride of a known robbery and someone gets killed. Even though that person may have stayed in the vehicle, that person will also be charged with murder.
But most likely, he will plead it down to something lesser.
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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....
[Re: TheOtherDodge]
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03/04/15 01:47 PM
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What a waste of taxpayer money. If what his attorney says is true, the MOST they can charge him with is participating in an unlawful gathering.
Monte
Not true Monte. He was a participant in a knowingly illegal activity that caused the death of someone. Same as the passenger going along on the ride of a known robbery and someone gets killed. Even though that person may have stayed in the vehicle, that person will also be charged with murder.
But most likely, he will plead it down to something lesser.
So was EVERYBODY else that attended. They going to charge everyone in the crowd with murder. Illegal street racing is NOT a felony offence. This would be like you are your buddy out base jumping(while is illegal). If he died, would YOU be charged with murder?
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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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03/04/15 02:12 PM
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What a waste of taxpayer money. If what his attorney says is true, the MOST they can charge him with is participating in an unlawful gathering.
Monte
Not true Monte. He was a participant in a knowingly illegal activity that caused the death of someone. Same as the passenger going along on the ride of a known robbery and someone gets killed. Even though that person may have stayed in the vehicle, that person will also be charged with murder.
But most likely, he will plead it down to something lesser.
So was EVERYBODY else that attended. They going to charge everyone in the crowd with murder. Illegal street racing is NOT a felony offence. This would be like you are your buddy out base jumping(while is illegal). If he died, would YOU be charged with murder?
well if you understand the law, the drivers, owners, flagman, finish line watchers, even if you hold the car while its doing a burnout all can be charged.
Illegal street racing is a felony if someone dies. The California governer signed this law years ago.
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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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03/04/15 02:22 PM
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The crushing of street racers cars will be flooded on YouTube in the months to follow.
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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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03/04/15 04:18 PM
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What a waste of taxpayer money. If what his attorney says is true, the MOST they can charge him with is participating in an unlawful gathering.
Monte
Not true Monte. He was a participant in a knowingly illegal activity that caused the death of someone. Same as the passenger going along on the ride of a known robbery and someone gets killed. Even though that person may have stayed in the vehicle, that person will also be charged with murder.
But most likely, he will plead it down to something lesser.
So was EVERYBODY else that attended. They going to charge everyone in the crowd with murder. Illegal street racing is NOT a felony offence. This would be like you are your buddy out base jumping(while is illegal). If he died, would YOU be charged with murder?
I am just defining the law... But yes, they all could be charged. And there would be a justifiable difference for the responsibility of the crime between the owner of the car and a spectator who was watching. If the spectator was not watching, the death still would have occurred. The same cannot be said about if the car was not involved.
And yes, depending on the state, you could be charged in the death if you and your friend went and did something illegal and he died as a result. I can assure you here in Texas if me and someone else went flying down a highway at 169 mph (which I did in my AMG and will NEVER do again) and we crashed and he died, I would be charged with his death.
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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....
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03/04/15 06:40 PM
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My point is, that in a round about way, anybody could be charged with anything. Charging and making it "stick" are two different things. May have been "his" car and yes, he was at the event participating, but a murder charge will never stick to him.
I know a guy who got in this same mess a few years ago here in Alabama, at a street race in Birmingham. Guy I know was driving another mans car. Same thing, got loose, in the crowd, guy died. In the end, they didn't even care who owned the car, only who was behind the wheel. Driver here ending up doing about two years in county lockup, while being allowed to go to his regular job during the day.
Now they might be trying to lower the boom on this guy, but any decent lawyer, will break that down.
I am NOT diminishing the fact that someone died here......but to go after the owner, who was NOT driving the car.....c'mon. How about putting a little effect into WHO was driving and fled the scene.
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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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03/04/15 06:48 PM
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My point is, that in a round about way, anybody could be charged with anything. Charging and making it "stick" are two different things. May have been "his" car and yes, he was at the event participating, but a murder charge will never stick to him.
I know a guy who got in this same mess a few years ago here in Alabama, at a street race in Birmingham. Guy I know was driving another mans car. Same thing, got loose, in the crowd, guy died. In the end, they didn't even care who owned the car, only who was behind the wheel. Driver here ending up doing about two years in county lockup, while being allowed to go to his regular job during the day.
Now they might be trying to lower the boom on this guy, but any decent lawyer, will break that down.
I am NOT diminishing the fact that someone died here......but to go after the owner, who was NOT driving the car.....c'mon. How about putting a little effect into WHO was driving and fled the scene.
...and I assume it was for manslaughter, not murder, correct?
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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....
[Re: GY3]
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03/04/15 07:28 PM
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I personally love the show I know most of it is staged that's all fine and dandy as long as the racing is racing and it looks like it is. As for the haters just don't watch the show simple as that I don't care what you like or don't like but last time I checked we are a free nation at least for the time being that might change to looks like but that's another subject. Hell I loved Breaking Bad to but it didn't make me want to go build a Meth Lab in the garage. Street Outlaws doesn't make anybody do anything we are all responsible for our actions and if someone got the itch to street race because of the show well they know its illegal to do so I think all this talk about banning the show is silly this is the USA not the USSR once again at least for the time being. DONT WATCH IT IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH IT. I love the show. Let the haters jump straight up and down now over my comments. This will be my one and only comment on the subject. Good day!!  
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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....
[Re: rickstershemi]
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03/04/15 09:03 PM
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Felony Murder, he will most likely give up the driver and plead to a lessor charge 
Rickster
 I'd say that's what the DA is after.
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Re: nhra to pull street outlaw license if dont stop.....
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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03/05/15 08:29 AM
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My point is, that in a round about way, anybody could be charged with anything. Charging and making it "stick" are two different things. ...
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Now they might be trying to lower the boom on this guy, but any decent lawyer, will break that down.
I am NOT diminishing the fact that someone died here......but to go after the owner, who was NOT driving the car.....c'mon. How about putting a little effect into WHO was driving and fled the scene.
No doubt it is the driver. Heavy handed law enforcement practices don't make them right and they will never convict the owner in court of that charge.
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