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Our PowerSurge would be ideal. No need to change the fuel lines or the fuel tank. Can be used with carbs or FI by changing the regulator:

http://www.robbmcperformance.com/products/powersurge.html

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Well, having just dealt with a situation where someone told me the deal I was presenting was too be good to be true, I find my self in the same situation.... I have seen the surge tank solution and this seems really nice. Does it require the mechanical pump as I do not have provision for one? Can it be mounted at the back of the car? This is very intriguing!

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Well, having just dealt with a situation where someone told me the deal I was presenting was too be good to be true, I find my self in the same situation.... I have seen the surge tank solution and this seems really nice. Does it require the mechanical pump as I do not have provision for one? Can it be mounted at the back of the car? This is very intriguing!

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You can mount it anywhere it will fit as long as it is upright (or nearly so). But you do need a "lift pump" to feed the surge tank. Normally a mechanical pump is used as the lift pump but you could also use a small electric pump. Even 40 gph would be plenty.

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The PowerSurge is ideal for, and was designed for, the customer who is starting with a completely stock fuel system and has recently increased the horsepower (and/or switched to EFI) such that the stock fuel system will no longer suffice.
The PowerSurge is designed to be used with the stock fuel lines, stock mechanical pump and stock fuel tank. It eliminates the need for a sumped/baffled tank or a fuel cell.

It does require a return/bypass regulator but the return line runs from the regulator to the PowerSurge, not back to the fuel tank (so it normally makes the most sense to mount the unit in the engine compartment).

Using larger fuel lines to and from the fuel tank does nothing to improve performance. Using a high performance fuel pump to feed the PowerSurge does nothing to improve performance. A stock mechanical pump is fine. (The stock pump is just used to keep the PowerSurge topped off with fuel). If you can't run a stock mechanical pump, a small electric pump mounted as low and as close to the fuel tank as possible will also work but a stock mechanical pump is usually more dependable and quieter.

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I don't have a provision for a stock pump so I had thought to run an electric pump to the surge and mount everything in the back using the existing feed line and then hook the return to the vapor line and run it back to your surge tank. The Walboro pump is relatively cheap and quiet from what I understand. I would hate to have a holley back there howling away...do you have a different suggestion?

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The PowerSurge is ideal for, and was designed for, the customer who is starting with a completely stock fuel system and has recently increased the horsepower (and/or switched to EFI) such that the stock fuel system will no longer suffice.
The PowerSurge is designed to be used with the stock fuel lines, stock mechanical pump and stock fuel tank. It eliminates the need for a sumped/baffled tank or a fuel cell.

It does require a return/bypass regulator but the return line runs from the regulator to the PowerSurge, not back to the fuel tank (so it normally makes the most sense to mount the unit in the engine compartment).

Using larger fuel lines to and from the fuel tank does nothing to improve performance. Using a high performance fuel pump to feed the PowerSurge does nothing to improve performance. A stock mechanical pump is fine. (The stock pump is just used to keep the PowerSurge topped off with fuel). If you can't run a stock mechanical pump, a small electric pump mounted as low and as close to the fuel tank as possible will also work but a stock mechanical pump is usually more dependable and quieter.

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I don't have a provision for a stock pump so I had thought to run an electric pump to the surge and mount everything in the back using the existing feed line and then hook the return to the vapor line and run it back to your surge tank. The Walboro pump is relatively cheap and quiet from what I understand. I would hate to have a holley back there howling away...do you have a different suggestion?

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If your talking the return thats on a filter with
a 1/4" nipple.. that has a .060 restriction in it
so you might want to open that up by drilling it out
to close to 3/16"(thats the ID of a 1/4" line/nipple)..
from what Rob is saying you just need a small supply
pump to keep the canister full.. I'm not sure about
his product but I think its more designed to be up
front but I could be wrong.. my way of thinking is
that the supply line couldnt handle the demands
(from the rear of the car to the front)... but I
dont know his item there
EDIT
Never mind... he explained it

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Honestly, I don't think it is too bad. I had planned to run larger lines anyway. I had been research about how to modify the fuel tank to support EFI and that seems pretty pricey and still requires new lines etc. If your system eliminates the need to change the tank and all else being equal...it would probably be cheaper then a new tank or a Phantom style system. Maybe I am missing something though

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If you run larger lines to the front then it would
work fine.. that way you can keep the stock tank
and the stock sending unit but would still need a
small supply pump.... but his tank has enough volume
to handle heavy loads for some time period

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I have 1/2" push lock hose on my car from regulator to carb and it works great (1/2" hard line from cell to regulator). It is a bit of a pain to "push" the fittings into the hose, but after the trial and error approach, I found that putting the end of the hose in boiling water for 15-30 seconds then jamming it on the fitting worked best.

My car is on e85 if that helps.

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Flyfish,

What brand are you using for push-lock hose? Do they give you any trouble at the track?

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