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small block 68 dart 4800 stall 727 4.56 gears car weighs 2700lbs.runs 10.60's gone as quick as 10.42. 60's avg1.47,1.48. what to do to make it quicker. also has 1-7/8 header w 3-1'2 coll. and 6 cyl torsion bars coil overs and ladder bars thanks

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Need for info on the engine... and did you have it
dynoed

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motor is a few years old now, but not a lot of runs. 414 ci 13.25 comp. mopar 620 solid cam B1 heads with stage one port job. Koffels place built.950 holley on edlebrock torker 2. dyno'd at 565hp 550 tq

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Do u have a wideband? A clean carb will pick up down low instead of playing "catch up" and 60 will improve for sure IF u hook.


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What size accelerator pumps, squirters and cam are you using on that 950? You might try a carb. spacer or a different intake to help the 60 fts Have you found what RPM the car leaves the satring line best yet? If not experiment to get the best What bore and stroke is your motor?


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motor is a few years old now, but not a lot of runs. 414 ci 13.25 comp. mopar 620 solid cam B1 heads with stage one port job. Koffels place built.950 holley on edlebrock torker 2. dyno'd at 565hp 550 tq





Based on your HP and weight your a whole second slow...
so either its not making the power or its not getting
to the track...whats the MPH on your average runs

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I'll go with Cab. Carb tuning - squirter and pump cam timing/coordination, is a very tedious job that can provide surprising results. No simple, blanket answers. Footbrake is harder to tune, but I never ran a trans brake or 2-step.

One goal is to get the primary and secondaries to finish squirting at the same time, once you figure out when they need to stop. How high you come up on the converter (footbrake) affects how much fuel is left to squirt when you mat it.

Squirters and pump cams for 60' and jet for mph.

I tend to be conservative, so I'd suggest a smaller carb (750-850), better intake (Holley Strip Dominator) and experiment with spacers (tapered 4 hole?).

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prretty much out of the box 950 hp carb, avgmph prob 123. this is after the chang e from 4200 to 4800 conv. 124. to125 before same et. went up to the 1-7/8 headers along the line. also i do have a 1 inch spacer under the carb, been there since the start. dynoed flatteron the tq.

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this is a trans brake car, i leave at 3500 with a 2 step so throttle is wide open. gotta leave for work so i will check back later thanks regarding the intake when the motor was built koffel was tested intakes ind said this is the one that made best power? i do not run a lot of rpm- 6000 to shift and 6700 at the end

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prretty much out of the box 950 hp carb, avgmph prob 123. this is after the chang e from 4200 to 4800 conv. 124. to125 before same et. went up to the 1-7/8 headers along the line. also i do have a 1 inch spacer under the carb, been there since the start. dynoed flatteron the tq.




Whats your fuel supply system... your MPH is low so
I'm wondering if its a fuel issue.... I should say its
low for the HP that you stated but is in line with
your ET now

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2holley black pumps into 1/2 inch al line to -6 at the carb

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I should say its
low for the HP that you stated but is in line with
your ET now


Remember this is on what most people call a "Happy Dyno" at Koffels

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2holley black pumps into 1/2 inch al line to -6 at the carb


Check the size of the needles and seats to make sure you don't have some of the smaller .090 needlles and seats in them like Holley use to install in those carbs.


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i see a couple things have gone unanswered. first i do not have a wideband, the bore is 4.060 stroke is 4.00. i have one last question, any chasis change suggestions or upgrades. just have 6 cyl. bars and 90-10 ce shocks. also what needle and seat should i use i have the ones in question? thanks for your time.

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Carb squirters and carb squirter timing, then suspension. Are the slicks still wrinkled up 80 feet out? Getting up on the tire is the best way to get rollin' The CE shocks might work, but some adjustables would help tune the suspension. Good luck.


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i see a couple things have gone unanswered. first i do not have a wideband, the bore is 4.060 stroke is 4.00. i have one last question, any chasis change suggestions or upgrades. just have 6 cyl. bars and 90-10 ce shocks. also what needle and seat should i use i have the ones in question? thanks for your time.




I like to put .120 or .130 needle/seats in my carbs..
as said check timing squirter shot (both start and
finish)... I'm not a fan of the shocks... I like a
better adjustable one... get the best you can.. the
6 cyl bars are fine.. make sure you have good front
end travel, do a flow test on the fuel system... also
whats your cranking pressure

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prretty much out of the box 950 hp carb, avgmph prob 123. this is after the chang e from 4200 to 4800 conv. 124. to125 before same et. went up to the 1-7/8 headers along the line. also i do have a 1 inch spacer under the carb, been there since the start. dynoed flatteron the tq.


.130's on the needles / seats and -8's to the carb might be a good place to start.


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prretty much out of the box 950 hp carb, avgmph prob 123. this is after the chang e from 4200 to 4800 conv. 124. to125 before same et. went up to the 1-7/8 headers along the line. also i do have a 1 inch spacer under the carb, been there since the start. dynoed flatteron the tq.


.130's on the needles / seats and -8's to the carb might be a good place to start.





The only proper way to do this is w/lower pressures.......a .120 needs no more than 6 lbs. and a .130 can run 5 lbs or less to slow down aeration. I run the smallest squirters to keep it clean and even file down the secondary cams for less shot.








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i see a couple things have gone unanswered. first i do not have a wideband, the bore is 4.060 stroke is 4.00. i have one last question, any chasis change suggestions or upgrades. just have 6 cyl. bars and 90-10 ce shocks. also what needle and seat should i use i have the ones in question? thanks for your time.


I use a minumum of .110 on gasoline, .150 or larger on E85 I see your running a SB Mopar, not BB. I figure by running the Koffel B1 heads it was a BB Same thing applys on the fuel system


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If it was mine, I would put a 904 trans with 2.45 1st gear and another thing would be an older 9375 Holley dominator as well. Also do a free flow fuel test to see how long it takes to pump a gallon of gas. Your looking for under 20 seconds.







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