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Stock or stroked? #1747363
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I am rebuilding a 440 and is about to come out of the machine shop and I am at a cross road. My first idea was stroke the 440 to a 511 from Ohio Crankshaft. Now my friends are telling me it's a waste of money that the stock 440 will make about the same as the stroked 440. they both will have Eddie heads and intake. Whats your take on it?

Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: Shatar4] #1747364
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I am rebuilding a 440 and is about to come out of the machine shop and I am at a cross road. My first idea was stroke the 440 to a 511 from Ohio Crankshaft. Now my friends are telling me it's a waste of money that the stock 440 will make about the same as the stroked 440. they both will have Eddie heads and intake. Whats your take on it?



Peak power numbers don't tell the whole story! For the street or lower rpm strip, I would stroke it. For a dedicated race car, I'd probably leave it stock stroke and turn more rpm. But then, I like rpm. The cost isn't much different, so it's pretty much what you want.


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Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: Shatar4] #1747365
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HP will be about the same with a slight edge to the stroker. TQ will go to the stroker hands down. I have built a lot of stroker motors for people and not one has shown any regret about stroking it, just real big grins. Like mentioned it is not just about peak power, the stroker will tend to make a flatter power band, pretty much everyone picks up big numbers in the 1/4 going stroker. You will get to a point to where the TQ is just too mch, then it is just right


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Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: Shatar4] #1747366
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I am rebuilding a 440 and is about to come out of the machine shop and I am at a cross road. My first idea was stroke the 440 to a 511 from Ohio Crankshaft. Now my friends are telling me it's a waste of money that the stock 440 will make about the same as the stroked 440. they both will have Eddie heads and intake. Whats your take on it?


Your friends must be Chevy and Ford guys, not Mopar knowledgable, me thinks That or they don't want you making more power than them with a stock stroke motor If you want the most power and performance, especially for a strret car, use the 4.250 stroke crank with the 2.20 rod journal sizes(BB Chevy type on both ends ) and a set of 7.100 long 4340 steel beam rods H beam rods with between 10.0 to 10.75 to 1 compression ratio, dependent on your local pump gas quality and type, E10 stay close to 10.0, non ethanol 93 octane shoot for 10.75 to 1 That combination with a Eddy RPM heads and a Eddy RPM intake will easily make(depending on the cam, headers and carb sizes) well over 550 HP and close to 600 Ft lbs torque, or more The stock stroke motor with identicle parts will make around 50 HP less and similar less torque My first pump gas stroker motor, 400 block with 4.375 bore and 4.250 stroke, made 612 Hp at 5500 RPM and 644 Ft lbs at 4400 RPM with a set of big valve mildly ported 906 iron heads(9.25 to 1 comp. ratio on CA 91 octane pump swill a long time ago ) and a low deck six pak set up with a big (for the street ) solid roller cam That rascal far exceeded my wildest expectations That motor made right at 1.2 HP per C.I., you can get similar results too


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Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: Shatar4] #1747367
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I am rebuilding a 440 and is about to come out of the machine shop and I am at a cross road. My first idea was stroke the 440 to a 511 from Ohio Crankshaft. Now my friends are telling me it's a waste of money that the stock 440 will make about the same as the stroked 440. they both will have Eddie heads and intake. Whats your take on it?




Your not saying if this is a street build.. if so
then torque is great on the street.. thats what moves
a car.. on a all out race engine... torque PLUS RPM
is what you want... so you want the arm but yet you
want the revs

Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1747368
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What Cab said


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Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: rickseeman] #1747369
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Stroke it. Think of it this way- the car spends more time in the bottom half of each gear, and that is why strokers work. More torque in the first half, and more average torque overall.

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Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1747370
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I am rebuilding a 440 and is about to come out of the machine shop and I am at a cross road. My first idea was stroke the 440 to a 511 from Ohio Crankshaft. Now my friends are telling me it's a waste of money that the stock 440 will make about the same as the stroked 440. they both will have Eddie heads and intake. Whats your take on it?


Your friends must be Chevy and Ford guys, not Mopar knowledgable, me thinks That or they don't want you making more power than them with a stock stroke motor If you want the most power and performance, especially for a strret car, use the 4.250 stroke crank with the 2.20 rod journal sizes(BB Chevy type on both ends ) and a set of 7.100 long 4340 steel beam rods H beam rods with between 10.0 to 10.75 to 1 compression ratio, dependent on your local pump gas quality and type, E10 stay close to 10.0, non ethanol 93 octane shoot for 10.75 to 1 That combination with a Eddy RPM heads and a Eddy RPM intake will easily make(depending on the cam, headers and carb sizes) well over 550 HP and close to 600 Ft lbs torque, or more The stock stroke motor with identicle parts will make around 50 HP less and similar less torque My first pump gas stroker motor, 400 block with 4.375 bore and 4.250 stroke, made 612 Hp at 5500 RPM and 644 Ft lbs at 4400 RPM with a set of big valve mildly ported 906 iron heads(9.25 to 1 comp. ratio on CA 91 octane pump swill a long time ago ) and a low deck six pak set up with a big (for the street ) solid roller cam That rascal far exceeded my wildest expectations That motor made right at 1.2 HP per C.I., you can get similar results too



I have built 3 stroker motors out of 440 blocks a 496 a 512 and a 572 they make more power with out running a 440 to a inch of it's life strokers are the only way to go

Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: Shatar4] #1747371
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to the stroker

to Ohio Crank

to your buddies and their opinions

What heads are you going to use?


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Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: Shatar4] #1747372
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Shatar4 check your PM's

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Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: sr4440] #1747373
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Would you prefer a 383/400 to the stock stroke 440?


Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: Shatar4] #1747374
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One further point. With the extra torque, if you run an automatic You can get away with a more street friendly converter and still go faster than your buddies.


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Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: gregsdart] #1747375
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With advice like that I am certain they are not your friends. I would consider getting new friends say like CABBURG!!!

No seriously!!

OK seriously! I would do exactly as CABBURG said. I have stroked two small blocks they run like big blocks, my brother stroked a 440 to 520 cubes for a 4X4 Ram Charger it runs phenomenal. The cubes just make torque and that's what sets you in the seat and holds you there or molests the street leaving your rubber DNA.

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Would you prefer a 383/400 to the stock stroke 440?



Matt, who was your question intended for?


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Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: GTX MATT] #1747377
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Would you prefer a 383/400 to the stock stroke 440?




If it was me, I already have the 440 machined.

Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: B3RE] #1747378
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Would you prefer a 383/400 to the stock stroke 440?



Matt, who was your question intended for?




The OP, I know there are some advantages to the B engine but just asking for what he's doing if he'd take the 383/400 over the stock stroke 440.


Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: GTX MATT] #1747379
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I would go for the cubic inches. You will enjoy the torque. Then later on if you plan on or want to. You can upgrade the top end for more horsepower if needed. The foundation is already their!!

I just realized your a local mopar guy which is rare in howell. Your more than welcome to come look at my pump gas stock stroke 440. I can share all cost and parts list with ya to help you make a decision.

Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: Shatar4] #1747380
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.....Now my friends are telling me it's a waste of money that the stock 440 will make about the same as the stroked 440..... Whats your take on it?




I don't think it is a matter of ".....it's a waste of money....". More accurately it is a matter of what is your budget, and the what are the advantages of the stroker over the 440, and is it worth it to you. In the end, only you can answer this.

First I suggest that you do a detailed cost analysis between the two options. Then you get real clear on the goal of the car. If you put the same parts in both motors, the stroker will make more power. And the power will be at a slightly lower rpm range.

If it is a street car, the advantage of the stroker is that it will be more docile on the street at the same power level as the 440.

My car with its 500 in motor runs in the 11s at 120 mph, has a stock converter and a 3.23 gear. It drives through the neighborhood in third gear (auto) at 25 mph and 1100 rpm very nicely. My motor cost a little more, but here is what I did not have to buy: headers, exhaust system, gear, converter, tires. I probably saved over $3,000 on that stuff.

But, that is what I wanted. Your case will be completely different.

Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: BSB67] #1747381
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once you stroked you never go back!


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Re: Stock or stroked? [Re: sixpacksteve] #1747382
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Anyone I've seen with a stroked motor has never regretted it. I say Stroke IT!


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