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1970 Challenger valence bracket #172305
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I understand that 1970 Challengers use an extra support bracket to support the rear valence in addition to the two inner large brackets. They are L shaped and connect the valence to the rear crossmember. The only year used was 1970. Does anyone have a picture or reference of what they look like and where they attach? I am putting my car back together (purchased disassembled and many parts in boxes). Thanks, Gerry.
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Those pictured are the inner brackets that mount on the top and bottom of the valence. The ones that I am talking about mount outside of these and only mount on top of the valence in a hole just inside of the bumper guard.
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I've owned Challengers since 74 & the ones Tom posted are the only ones I'm aware of for a 70...

Re: 1970 Challenger valence bracket [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #172309
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I have a 70 LA built Challenger and it has 4 brackets the two pictured and two small L shaped brackets that attach to the valance braces.

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Re: 1970 Challenger valence bracket [Re: 70challrtse] #172311
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there are two L shaped brackets but they actually attach to the bumper quards and rear frame rails.
Are those the ones you are talking about
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there are two L shaped brackets but they actually attach to the bumper quards and rear frame rails.
Are those the ones you are talking about



Those I'm very familar with but not what is being described...
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'70-1 Illustrated parts catalog; 23-95; underbody belvedere & coronet (typical of e body)- maybe is listed here...
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there are two L shaped brackets but they actually attach to the bumper quards and rear frame rails.
Are those the ones you are talking about


No, the ones I'm referring to are just inside the bumper guards. So, mine actually has 6 brackets; the two in Tom's post above, the 2 frame rail brackets and the two that attach to the braces inside the valance.

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I believe these are the ones! I think they attach to a hole on the top lip of the valence just inside the bumper guard. Does the top attach to the lower edge of the crossmember?
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I've never seen those on any Challengers in over thirty years, they must be only on a small percentage of cars..Cars I worked on in the eighties I could see them being gone but I was playing with these cars in the mid seventies, hard to believe they all got misplaced....
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Yep, those are the ones my car has. Here is a pic where they attach to the valance. Sorry the camera was running out of charge so it's not very clear.

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I used to have a 70 Challenger T/A that had those. The threaded bolt hole has a nut insert mounted in the frame rail or rear crossmember. That is how you can tell if your car came with them. My buddy, who also has a 70 Challenger T/A, did not have them, so I don't know if this was only a very early 70 Challenger thing. My friends T/A never had the threaded nut inserts in the car frame either like mine did.
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My understanding after speaking with Steve Been a couple of years ago at Carlisle is that they were found on Very early produced Challenegrs only.

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The build date on my car is 12/19/69 so I guess this is an early car. The valence has a hole like the ones in Ron's picture. I can't see from the picture but I assume they bolt to the rear cross member. Ron, what was the build date of your car? Thanks, Gerry.
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The build date on my car is 12/19/69 so I guess this is an early car. The valence has a hole like the ones in Ron's picture. I can't see from the picture but I assume they bolt to the rear cross member. Ron, what was the build date of your car? Thanks, Gerry.



That's not very early. Almost halfway through the production year.
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so then where is the dividing line date of early vs late
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so then where is the dividing line date of early vs late



Good question and points. Early and Late are just subjective terms. When the one post said "very early", I guessing first month of production. But to others that might mean first couple of weeks?? People need to list a date or week or month of production so we all know what they are talking about.

I'm thinking the best bet would be to investigate the part (valance). Like stamping codes and the order and colors of the layers of paint. To see if it possible to determine the valance originally came with the car in question. And the car I assume has a SPD associated with it.

Is this a dual exhaust cutout valence only thing. Would non cutout valences have this extra bracket??
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My Challenger vert SPD is A19 (October 19th 1969) it does not have the brackets or a threaded insert, the valance does have the unused hole, just like every other Challenger I've worked on.
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The build date on my car is 12/19/69 so I guess this is an early car. The valence has a hole like the ones in Ron's picture. I can't see from the picture but I assume they bolt to the rear cross member. Ron, what was the build date of your car? Thanks, Gerry.


10-11-69 and built in LA.
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Now we are getting somewhere. We can now assume that cars built up to 10/11/69 would have them. I wonder if there would be much of a difference with build plants. I looked at my crossmember and and noticed that there is a tab where it looks like a hole would exist for the bracket but it is not drilled out. We can now assume that production of this bracket stopped somewhere between 10/11/69 and 12/19/69 since it looks like my car did not have the bracket. I had heard that this bracket was used for additional support but then a decision was made that it was no longer necessary and was no longer used. Thanks for everyones input. Gerry.
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10-11-69 and built in LA.



Might be a big factor there too...My current Challenger was built at Hamtrack (obviously all vert challengers were)
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My understanding after speaking with Steve Been a couple of years ago at Carlisle is that they were found on Very early produced Challenegrs only.




They are also found on early Cudas as well(different, but similar bracket). These brackets are shown in the service manuals for both cars. My October Hamtramck built Challenger and Cuda, both have the nut in the cross-frame for the brackets, but both cars did not have them. My March (70) LA built Cuda, does not have the nuts in the cross-frame. I have a pair of both types of brackets if anyone needs to see them.

There was a yellow Barn Find 70 Challenger RT for sale at Vegas 2 years ago, that had the brackets on it. This is the only car I've seen to have them. I don't recall the build date or the factory it was built at , however.
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Is this a dual exhaust cutout valence only thing. Would non cutout valences have this extra bracket??



My T/A had them and that is a non-cutout valance.
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