Re: 360 ENGINE REBUILD WILL NOT START
[Re: KISSFANN1]
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12/31/14 02:55 PM
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RapidRobert
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Yes the mechanical timing is highly likely OK (& if the #6 pushrods/rocker arms are at the same height (both open) that would for sure confirm this). I'm assuming firing order (CW) is correct/reluctor gap is correct. right now is the tooth near dead even with the magnet? Is the coil/ECU getting fire in ign2 (crank)? (pull the yellow wire off of the starter relay & have a helper turn the key to start & you check with your VOM or if you have a spare dist (from any cube eng) plug it in & spin it by hand & see if it makes the coil wire held 1/4" from ground spark with key in "run" and in "start"
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Re: 360 ENGINE REBUILD WILL NOT START
[Re: KISSFANN1]
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12/31/14 03:15 PM
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mopar_man
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This is how the gears were set. Some has posted that the dots should be @ 12 o-clock on both gears. I'm a little confused.
Don't be confused , the engine can be timed in either position :
12 o'clock on crank .....12 on cam 6 on crank .......6 on cam 12 on crank .......6 on cam 6 crank .........12 on cam .The factory timed it so #1 is in front facing a little to the pass side . .
The crank , con rods or the piston at TDC don't know or don't care what stroke the engine is on. It's either the compression stroke or the exhaust stroke and its the cam that determines that. The cam turns at half speed of the crank and that's why you can have the marks 12/12 12/6, 6/12, 6/6 etc etc etc .. The problem arises when you have to get the electrical timing to match the mechanical timing , That's why you have to put the dist in one way and if its not in time you have to move it 180 degs . the dist in 1/1 ratio and turns the same speed as the cam. So get #1 on the compression stroke at TDC , align the dist so the rotor is pointing at number one in the cap and if everything is else is ok ie: fuel , spark etc . the engine should fire. There are other things I can tell you but would only make it look difficult , do as I say and the engine will start .
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Re: 360 ENGINE REBUILD WILL NOT START
[Re: KISSFANN1]
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12/31/14 08:04 PM
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RapidRobert
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With the dampener slit on zero (TDC) are the #6 rocker arms even (both open the same amt). This is a stock (symmmetrical) cam I'm assuming. If so the cam timing is Ok & we can move on to dist timing/fuel
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Re: 360 ENGINE REBUILD WILL NOT START
[Re: RapidRobert]
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12/31/14 09:38 PM
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Let me start by saying, thanks to everyone's help. I decided to get back into the gear set to verify the dot lineup. Guess what, I did not have the rotation set correctly. There were so many marks on the crank gear, I used the wrong one. I set everything to the way it was supposed to be. Cranked it and had plenty of backfire. Rotated the distributor 180 and it fired off immediately. It sounded great!!! Tomorrow it will button up the fluids and break in the cam. I will keep you all updated on the build. SLD
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Re: 360 ENGINE REBUILD WILL NOT START
[Re: stumpy]
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01/02/15 01:37 AM
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Crank dot at 12:00 and cam dot at 12:00 is top dead center on the intake stroke. That is where you want to position the distributor at #1. Aligning the two dots as indicated in the book is top dead center on the exhaust stroke which is 180* out with the distributor.
Last edited by skicker; 01/02/15 02:49 AM.
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Re: 360 ENGINE REBUILD WILL NOT START
[Re: skicker]
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01/02/15 12:08 PM
01/02/15 12:08 PM
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mopar_man
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Good thing he's got it running, because nobody lines up anything with crank dot at 6:00.
Fixed it... Maybe residual effects from last night...
If your referring to my post , of course they don't why make it difficult . I just tried to (unconfuse)lol him by showing how mechanical timing works. At least he got it running , and that's a good thing . Happy New year BTW
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