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Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Thumperdart] #1715165 12/31/14 04:29 AM 12/31/14 04:29 AM
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Moparmal master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land	What cubes and peak rpm do you run?

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Moparmal] #1715166 12/31/14 09:37 AM 12/31/14 09:37 AM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,467 Sydney,Australia tex013 top fuel
tex013 top fuel Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,467 Sydney,Australia	Mal , good to see you still plugging away FWIW i have dynoed my 440 and have found less than 5 rwhp difference aircleaner to no air cleaner ., but i have seen 20/25 rwhp gain with my air box . With a six pack scoop i would never run filter free , see a few motors eat something they shouldnt on drag strips . I run a 14x3 k&n with filter top , with drop base attached to the air box which is heat resistant fibreglass sheet . Maybe a taller filter may help Nearly time for a new season to start Tex New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Moparmal] #1715167 12/31/14 01:26 PM 12/31/14 01:26 PM
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Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion	Quote: What cubes and peak rpm do you run? 470 BB 7500 max............. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Moparmal] #1715168 12/31/14 02:28 PM 12/31/14 02:28 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Quote: My RW dyno results with a single carb on the Modman Carb was a 800cfm AVS THUNDER KN 14x3 with Xtreme lid - 318 RWHP MOROSO 16x3 - same day - 333 RWHP No air cleaner - 277 RWHP KN Hemi dual quad 2" high - twin AFB 500s - 358 RWHP Two lessons Ive learned over time... 1 - Carters hate being run without an air bell or cleaner. 2 - Xtreme lids rob HP compared to a decent size normal filter element. Joe Sherman has made similar findings on Speed Torque. Your conclusion maybe correct, or there just might a significant difference in the restriction of a K&N vs a Moroso element besides basic area, or the amount of oiling, etc. I believe most agree on the basic facts, its the conclusions from those facts where we differ. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Thumperdart] #1715169 12/31/14 03:20 PM 12/31/14 03:20 PM
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Hemi Allstate master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,675 Mt. Eden Ky.	Good info thankxxx.............So my 14x3 has been killin me from day one and the K&N site sez the 14x3 flows under 700 cfm and the Wix racing 4" flows 1000+ so that`s my next purchace. My s$%^z gonna fly next time out.......... This is good info. I had to switch to a 3" K&N from a 4" (both 14" dia. with K&N Extreme lid) when I changed carbs to a Dominator. It looks like I likely was choking the carb/engine. The Wix racing site shows their 14" X 3.01" to flow 1000 + CFM and they offer them in 1/4" taller increments too! Thanks, Mark Last edited by Hemi Allstate; 12/31/14 04:56 PM. 1996 Ram 1500 Sport 1968 road runner 1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Moparmal] #1715170 12/31/14 04:51 PM 12/31/14 04:51 PM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,230 Bend,OR USA	Moparmal, don't forget we race cars with motors, not motors on dynos The reason I'm pointing this out is I saw 8 HP loss on two different motors on two different engines dynos at two different altitudes testing the K&N Extreme filter lids and eventually ended doing a at the track test back to back to back, A,B,A, in less than twenty minutes between each run and saw a .020 to .030 ET reduction(quicker) and .3 MPH increase on a 3x14 filter using the lid This was on a 440 powered Duster with a sixpak type scoop molded on it, the air cleaner lid was close to the top of the scoop, less than a fingers width at the rear It was not sealed to the scoop either some of this hot rodding and race stuff doesn't always make since, HUH Test, test and test some more to learn whar does work Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Thumperdart] #1715171 01/01/15 05:02 AM 01/01/15 05:02 AM
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Moparmal master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land	Quote: 470 BB 7500 max............. You need appx 164 sq" of filtering area. A 14x3 wont do it A 16x3 wont do it (150.75sq") A 14 x 4" WILL work.....179 sq"r A 14 x 3 with extreme lid will work also.... = 221 sq" of filtering area. On the issue of filter tops...I agree people do their own trialling.. BUT... theres no point doing a back to back if the filter without the lid wont support the required flow..........

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Moparmal] #1715172 01/01/15 12:59 PM 01/01/15 12:59 PM
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Chris2581 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,531 Jacksonville, FL	This is all good info.I'm putting my car back on the street and I'll need to use a air cleaner. Just bought some 14x3 Fram Air Hog filters at Rock Auto for less than $5.00 a filter. Nautilus Racing- We use Superformance gaskets and Turbo Action converters/products.

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Chris2581] #1715173 01/01/15 01:50 PM 01/01/15 01:50 PM
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ProSport I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,918 Akron, Ohio	Here's my 10x2.75 filter on my 500" engine, if I ever make it to a track the filter will be coming off lol. I run an A-body dual snorkel factory scoop. 8380595-20141123_155406.jpg (216 downloads)

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: ProSport] #1715174 01/01/15 02:44 PM 01/01/15 02:44 PM
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BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	I WANT to run a filter even at the track, but the better intake manifold I'd like to use is taller than the one that I can actually fit under my T/A hood scoop and won't allow for an adequately sized filter. Not sure if running a smaller (more restrictive) filter setup on the street, and switching out to something more of a "bird and rock catcher" screen only at the track, is a viable approach... or if that's simply fooling myself.

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Thumperdart] #1715175 01/01/15 03:12 PM 01/01/15 03:12 PM
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mopar dave master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,042 Mt Morris Michigan	didn't know the wix was that good. I guess i'll keep mine on there. I had planed on replacing it with a K&N,but i'll save my money. thanks Dom. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: mopar dave] #1715176 01/02/15 12:24 AM 01/02/15 12:24 AM
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Jeremiah master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,100 Rogue River, OR	http://www.r2cperformance.com/ I like the idea behind these filters but I need to call them and ask about the base not having an "ideal entry" even though they sell a sub stack like product. Great information in this thread. I guess I'll save my velocity stacks for looks when the car is in the shop.

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Jeremiah] #1715177 01/02/15 02:12 AM 01/02/15 02:12 AM
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mopar dave master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,042 Mt Morris Michigan	I have their air cleaner for 4150. looks like the bass has a very good entry the way it fits the venturi's. they also claim a better flowing filter than a K&N. nice people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: mopar dave] #1715178 01/02/15 02:17 AM 01/02/15 02:17 AM
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Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion	Quote: didn't know the wix was that good. I guess i'll keep mine on there. I had planed on replacing it with a K&N,but i'll save my money. thanks Dom. It just makes sense to me............If I drop the Wix on my car and the idle doesn`t change then we might be on to something. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Jeremiah] #1715179 01/02/15 10:52 AM 01/02/15 10:52 AM
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Hemi Allstate master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,675 Mt. Eden Ky.	Quote: http://www.r2cperformance.com/ They claim 1600+ cfm for their 14" filters. No prices that I could find though? http://www.r2cperformance.com/14-inch-high-performance-street-air-filters.aspx EDIT I see that Summit has them. Quite a spread on purpose and price! http://www.summitracing.com/compare Mark Last edited by Hemi Allstate; 01/02/15 11:14 AM. 1996 Ram 1500 Sport 1968 road runner 1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Hemi Allstate] #1715180 01/02/15 12:25 PM 01/02/15 12:25 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: Quote: http://www.r2cperformance.com/ They claim 1600+ cfm for their 14" filters. No prices that I could find though? http://www.r2cperformance.com/14-inch-high-performance-street-air-filters.aspx EDIT I see that Summit has them. Quite a spread on purpose and price! http://www.summitracing.com/compare Mark on the R2C sight. Fastest 300

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Thumperdart] #1715181 01/02/15 12:35 PM 01/02/15 12:35 PM
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mopar dave master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,042 Mt Morris Michigan	it worth a try. I found my wix air filter on ebay for next to nothing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: mopar dave] #1715182 01/02/15 12:46 PM 01/02/15 12:46 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Lots of good info, except on the particulate size these different filter Mfg's are trying to keep out of your engine. Any of them can give you some awesome flow numbers if they are just trying to keep out - marbles. Fastest 300

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: Crizila] #1715183 01/02/15 12:53 PM 01/02/15 12:53 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Lots of good info, except on the particulate size these different filter Mfg's are trying to keep out of your engine. Any of them can give you some awesome flow numbers if they are just trying to keep out - marbles. Thats what all this is about... what micron is the filter

Re: Air filters on race cars?? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1715184 01/02/15 02:12 PM 01/02/15 02:12 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: Quote: Lots of good info, except on the particulate size these different filter Mfg's are trying to keep out of your engine. Any of them can give you some awesome flow numbers if they are just trying to keep out - marbles. Thats what all this is about... what micron is the filter "It's a secret, only 3 women know". Fastest 300

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