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please share your gen 3 Hemi build #1674810
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I'd like to see the detailed combos everyone has put together whether it is N/A, Procharged, turbo'd, nitrous, whatever. I'm on the fence about selling off all my big block parts and putting a new hemi in my car. I'd love to hear some HP/TQ #'s and/or track time if you got em. I want real world results, not some magazine article BS.
I have a line on a 5.7 core and I'm undecided on what route to take.
Thanks!

Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Charger453] #1674811
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Here is a brand new 6.1 block on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-1-Hemi-Bare-Block-/171468489326?vxp=mtr


PM me with what you have for sale as far as big block stuff.

Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Charger453] #1674812
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Mine is a 4.08 x 4.09 bore now. I think its about a -13 cc dish diamond piston and k1 crank and rods. I have oilers in mine.
Cam is close to .600 lift with 250@50
5.7 eagle heads i ported, manley springs, retainers, etc
Muscle motors short 4150 imtake with a hvh dom adapter.
I have only had it to the track once, ran 10.08 @ 3150lbs
With 3" exhaust
My gear is 3.55 and the converter is too tight imo

I constantly say im going to spray it so i dont want to change the converter and gear but im always busy working on other people's stuff and or its just to hot or wet. The car can be driven anywhere though


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: sixpackgut] #1674813
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I want to stay with a 5.7 block as I'm undecided if I'm going to boost this thing for 1000+ HP. I hear the cylinder walls aren't as thick on a 6.1 block. Keep in mind, this complete 5.7 core is less than 1/4 the price of just that block. As for big block parts, let me be absolutely sure this is the path I'm taking. Are you looking for low deck or RB stuff?

Ray, do most people keep the lift at or near .600 for geometry reasons? What $$$ does Muscle Motors get for their shortened intake? I see Hughes sells the tall one, but they don't list the short one.

Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Charger453] #1674814
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I believe Steff and 340rick are running larger cams. I believe Steff was trying to increase the height of his rocker stands when he split one and then Member Jerry came to the rescue and made billet stands that look awesome.

Those guys would probably do a better job of answering your question

I bought my intake from Mike Ware for $550 but now I see it being sold for almost 800 from modern muscle. I would call Mike before buying it from those other guys. The word is the tall plenum is really needed


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: sixpackgut] #1674815
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You can get new aluminum blocks for under 4300. I should just get one so Im not making one of those posts about there being no blocks available


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1674816
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Wish I had one...


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: sixpackgut] #1674817
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I believe Steff and 340rick are running larger cams. I believe Steff was trying to increase the height of his rocker stands when he split one and then Member Jerry came to the rescue and made billet stands that look awesome.

Those guys would probably do a better job of answering your question

I bought my intake from Mike Ware for $550 but now I see it being sold for almost 800 from modern muscle. I would call Mike before buying it from those other guys. The word is the tall plenum is really needed




Hopefully some guys running the bigger cams will chime in. I did see those stands on Rick's motor and they look awesome. Anyone know a price tag?

As for the intake, that $550 price is much more appealing, but I'm sure it has increased like everything. I imagine I'll be needing an even taller scoop (4'' cowl currently) with the tall plenum intake.

Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Charger453] #1674818
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6.1 block with stock 4.055" bore. Offset ground 6.1 crank 3.80" stroke. Eagle Featherweight H beam Honda rod journal with .927 pin. 9:1 Ross full sump dished piston. Cammotion 219/226 .542/.554 @ .050" 114 LSA+4. XV intake 80mm throttle body. Hand ported 5.7 heads with quench pads welded up, 2.08"/1.62" Ferrea valves. Heads flow 320/229 cfm @ .575" lift. Manley valve springs/ti retainers. ARP heads, mains and rockershafts. 1 3/4" Dynatech headers with 12" Dynamax bullets. Paxton side slinger pushing 17 psi of boost, non intercooled with w/m. 11 degree's timing on pump 91. 3800 stall. Pushed my 5200 plus lb 4x4 brick to a best 1.48 60' 6.87 @ 98 in the 1/8 and still gets 14 mpg highway with the a/c on.


Jerry Williams.
Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: hemidup] #1674819
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6.1 block with stock 4.055" bore. Offset ground 6.1 crank 3.80" stroke. Eagle Featherweight H beam Honda rod journal with .927 pin. 9:1 Ross full sump dished piston. Cammotion 219/226 .542/.554 @ .050" 114 LSA+4. XV intake 80mm throttle body. Hand ported 5.7 heads with quench pads welded up, 2.08"/1.62" Ferrea valves. Heads flow 320/229 cfm @ .575" lift. Manley valve springs/ti retainers. ARP heads, mains and rockershafts. 1 3/4" Dynatech headers with 12" Dynamax bullets. Paxton side slinger pushing 17 psi of boost, non intercooled with w/m. 11 degree's timing on pump 91. 3800 stall. Pushed my 5200 plus lb 4x4 brick to a best 1.48 60' 6.87 @ 98 in the 1/8 and still gets 14 mpg highway with the a/c on.




That's the stuff I like to hear. That's getting it done in a heavy pig. I'm really leaning towards the 3.795'' stroke in a 5.7 block with ported Eagle heads. I'm planning on going the boosted route as well but with a turbo.

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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Charger453] #1674820
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My Manley Hemi specs.
6.1 block
4.065 Manley pistons,rings,pins
Manley 6.125 H beams
Manley 4.05 crank
6.1 heads cnc stock valves, ported factory 6.1 intake, EFISOURCE efi
Manley Nextek springs, Comp moly retainers and stock keepers
PWR cam , 247/255/.600 114, Manley pushrods, stock lifters and rockers
New stock 6.1 timing set and oil pump
ARP main studs and head bolts
Should run good.


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Charger453] #1674821
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I want to stay with a 5.7 block as I'm undecided if I'm going to boost this thing for 1000+ HP. I hear the cylinder walls aren't as thick on a 6.1 block. Keep in mind, this complete 5.7 core is less than 1/4 the price of just that block. As for big block parts, let me be absolutely sure this is the path I'm taking. Are you looking for low deck or RB stuff?

I understand about the 5.7 block. Just figured you might like to see the 6.1.

I will be looking for low deck stuff if you have any.

Thanks!

Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #1674822
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-4.055x3.580
-Stock 6.1 shortblock, new rings and bearings
-0 Deck, 11.2:1 Static, 9.0:1 Dynamic. Opened up top ring gap to prevent the pistons from shattering.
-Ported GTP 5.7 Eagle Heads, 68cc closed chambers (65cc stock)
-Frank Racing 219/227 112LSA .610/.617
-Stock 6.1 intake with 80mm BBK tb & SRT4 Stage 2 injectors
-EFI Source MS3x Engine management.

A 3900 lb magnum with less cylinder head, cam and compression went 10.94@118. That was with a drag style suspension. I don't expect my car to do that, but I do expect a similar MPH.


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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Charger453] #1674823
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OK here is mine:
5.7 (+.020) from an 05 Ram
Home ported eagle heads (stock valves) Manley DragPak springs
6.1 crank, K1 rods, Wiseco dished pistons 10.7:1 comp
6.1 cam and lifters. Trend stock length 5/16 pushrods
stock rockers
6.1 intake with 90mm t/body
MS3x inj. with ford motorsports 160 lb/hr injectors
76mm turbo a/a intercooler
9.47@144 so far
3000lb Dart 3.23 gears in 8 3/4. powerglide

8278110-IMAG0157.jpg (1962 downloads)

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5.7 Hemi, 88mm turbo, powerglide, cal-tracs & 8 3/4
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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Dave_S] #1674824
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Dave, can you give me a rundown of all the electronics you needed to run that MS3X?
I already have a blow thru carb and a fuel system designed for that so I'm on the fence about sticking with the carb or going with injection. I imagine it will be a carb for a couple years until I can save the funds to make the switch. I just want to know what kind of $$$ amount I'll be looking at. Thanks.

Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Charger453] #1674825
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http://www.efisource.com/shop/ms3-gen3-hemi-plug-play-gold-box/

6 wire hook up. Couldn't be easier. The base tune will start up and run just about any modern hemi.


My Build thread: Let the hemi swap begin!

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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: AlexP] #1674826
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http://www.efisource.com/shop/ms3-gen3-hemi-plug-play-gold-box/

6 wire hook up. Couldn't be easier. The base tune will start up and run just about any modern hemi.




Awesome..thanks for the link! I'm not an efi guy yet so... How are the tuning capabilities? Just as good as a fast xfi or Holley system?

Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Charger453] #1674827
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I will be running their EFI. Here is a pic of their 92mm throttle body.

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Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: 72Swinger] #1674828
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So, for the guys that have done this swap...
I have a 70 Charger with stock front end/suspension. Is there any factory manifold or srt8 header that will clear the steering box and torsion bar? I'm looking at doing a turbo setup and what sucks about the Hemi, as I'm sure you guys know, is you can't flip the manifolds except with the Thitek heads. I assume I'm looking at a custom header deal, huh?

Re: please share your gen 3 Hemi build [Re: Charger453] #1674829
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Modern Muscle can make your heads dual pattern. They also can cnc them $700. That I think is a pretty good option. Can't tell you which manifolds would be best, the truck manifolds are pretty straight back log style. Durango/Aspen are I know.


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