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Re: Attn Steff
[Re: andy3965]
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08/05/14 12:06 PM
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LOL, I have 2 big blocks and the only Mopar part between them is one thermostat cover. I left that on the 540 so I could say it was a Mopar with a few parts changed. "This is 1/8th mile, no rules racing. The aero loss in the 1/8th is a non factor. Also how light would YOU think a 69 B-body would be. My guess is not very and I will hope that most others feel the same way..." You got that right. Most people around these parts are used to Wild Bill's (RIP) heavy sled (RR clone). You will surprise more than a few folks with that thing being 2600# with driver. BTW, the last I heard ole Kenny Ford bought Bill's car. I'm looking forward to seeing the GTX get out. We might have to line up just to get the pic as I don't think there is one from KOS of our cars lined up together. 
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Re: Attn Steff
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08/05/14 12:10 PM
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Congrats Monte, know you tune Monza's nos and he's number 1.
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Re: Attn Steff
[Re: andy3965]
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08/05/14 06:03 PM
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Congrats Monte, know you tune Monza's nos and he's number 1.
While we are on the subject of Street Out-Laws did some of the none believers in what Monte said about his BBC see the Horse-Power FarmTrucks small BBC made? 
yep, bout 44 less hp than Digby's motor!!!
No doubt Digby's car is bad to the bone on leaf's and with the right tuner it could be a 4.50-4.60 car with MOPAR power...I think it's at the chassis shop going on a diet and when he gets it back along with taking out the .040 jets i think he'll run right by the 4.83 he's already ran !!!
But Monte is right as it hasn't proven it will stay together on big jets yet...no doubt it makes big power and we'll just have to wait on the reliability part until he turns it up !!!
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Re: Attn Steff
[Re: andy3965]
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08/05/14 07:20 PM
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This whole thread is BS!!!! Alderman's B1 motor held together just fine on the juice and he was BAD A$$!!!!
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Re: Attn Steff
[Re: sixpackgut]
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08/05/14 09:28 PM
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This whole thread is BS!!!! Alderman's B1 motor held together just fine on the juice and he was BAD A$$!!!!
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Re: Attn Steff
[Re: sixpackgut]
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08/05/14 10:11 PM
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This whole thread is BS!!!! Alderman's B1 motor held together just fine on the juice and he was BAD A$$!!!!
LOL.You only get a pass because of your B-Day. LOL.
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Re: Attn Steff
[Re: sixpackgut]
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08/05/14 11:57 PM
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This whole thread is BS!!!! Alderman's B1 motor held together just fine on the juice and he was BAD A$$!!!!
I laughed as well!!
On a side note, I wonder if we'll ever get the true story......Somebody knows...........
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Re: Attn Steff
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08/07/14 02:24 PM
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Congrats Monte, know you tune Monza's nos and he's number 1.
While we are on the subject of Street Out-Laws did some of the none believers in what Monte said about his BBC see the Horse-Power FarmTrucks small BBC made?
yep, bout 44 less hp than Digby's motor!!!
If you notice I said a Small BBC not a Big BBC,do you think Digbys will make any where close to a Big Cu In BBC?
I watched the show and never heard them say how many cubic inches the all great and powerful bbc was!!!!
Monte asked to show him a 600 cubic inch wedge mopar that could make 1000hp and hold 1000 shot of nitrous. I am just saying Digby's motor is pretty close. It made 1210hp and 913tq. Not sure how much nitrous he is spraying but I believe he built it to handle a 800 shot. [/quote
Wow 1210hp is awesome for those heads.The reason I am not running those heads now is none of us including some of the very best engine builders there all thought 1130-1150 hp would be tops on an all out high $$$ engine.Over the years I have spent as much if not more $$$ than anyone else on this board on Big Block Mopar engines.And when I have work done I do not look for the cheapest or care how far I have to take/send things I look for the very best only.So conqrats to you & Digby on the 1210 hp out of the Mopar engine!
But I now have a Question for both you and Monte that I'm sure a lot of others on here will be interested in as well.While both engines are close Horse-Power wise..............................................
I would like for you if you do not mind to give us a ball-park figure on the cost of the Mopar engine build,and Monte if he does not mind to give us a ball-park figure on the cost of the BBC engine build.
First off I have nothing to do with Jason's engine or any of his racing operation, I have met and talked to Jason a few times at the track, we are Facebook friends, and we text each other occasionally to talk about racing and such. He is from North Mississippi and I am from South Central Mississippi.
If I remember correctly Jason told me he had about $51,000 dollars tied up in the build, but I think that includes all the electronics and fuel/fuel management system because it is EFI. Not sure how much just the engine it's self would cost.
The engine was built by Jeff Burns racing engines.
Jason is a great guy and has spent a small fortune flying the Mopar banner trying to run with the best of the best leaf spring guys in the country on a 275 drag radial. They dont have a lot of runs on this combo yet but they are slowly sneaking up on it. I commend him for his efforts.
MOPAR BORN,MOPAR BRED,AND WHEN I DIE I'LL BE MOPAR DEAD!!!
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Re: Attn Steff
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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08/07/14 02:53 PM
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One VERY important thing is being overlooked here.....we DON'T RACE DYNO's. That is just a number on a piece of paper, that can be obtained solely at the discretion of the guy calibrating the dyno. Ever notice how many times you tell an engine builder that you would LIKE to make so and so horsepower, that you get a dyno sheet that just squeaks in over that number, funny how that works.
Now, as far as Digby's motor, it is a fine piece and makes good power. But also as ALL Mopar motors are, it is bore limited because of the bore space. Another fact.....when the Predator head was designed, they basically took a Pro-Filer GM head and figured out how to make it fit a Mopar engine and bolt on. So for all intents and purposes, a Predator motor is a smaller bore motor, with 10 year old head technology and you would expect that to keep up inch for inch with the latest GM offerings, yet on a smaller bore...........well OK, if you say so.
I know for a fact that Digby's motor, to swallow REALLY large doses of nitrous, needs some help. It has too much compression, the wrong camshaft, the quench is too tight and the heads need some chamber and short turn work. It was built with the intention of making as much N/A power as they could and spray it a little bit. It has already proven to be VERY timing sensitive to the fairly small amount they ever hit it with. The guy that drives and tunes the car, was talking with me about it on a regular basis.
The other motor I am speaking about in this thread, if you want to go by HP numbers from various dynos, is about 30hp behind Digby's..........BUT, was built 100% to spray hard. It has low compression, a monster camshaft, loose quench, the heads done right, heavy pistons and everything else a large dose nitrous motor needs. I can run as much timing in this motor on 3 kits as they were able to get by on ONE with Jason's motor...............And the NUMBER 1 FACT, this motor has been 4.40s @ 163mph in a 2900lb car numerous times and we don't hurt it. It comes apart at 60 passes for rods and rings and other than that, is trouble free.
Monte
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Re: Attn Steff
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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08/07/14 03:48 PM
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One VERY important thing is being overlooked here.....we DON'T RACE DYNO's. That is just a number on a piece of paper, that can be obtained solely at the discretion of the guy calibrating the dyno. Ever notice how many times you tell an engine builder that you would LIKE to make so and so horsepower, that you get a dyno sheet that just squeaks in over that number, funny how that works.
Now, as far as Digby's motor, it is a fine piece and makes good power. But also as ALL Mopar motors are, it is bore limited because of the bore space. Another fact.....when the Predator head was designed, they basically took a Pro-Filer GM head and figured out how to make it fit a Mopar engine and bolt on. So for all intents and purposes, a Predator motor is a smaller bore motor, with 10 year old head technology and you would expect that to keep up inch for inch with the latest GM offerings, yet on a smaller bore...........well OK, if you say so.
I know for a fact that Digby's motor, to swallow REALLY large doses of nitrous, needs some help. It has too much compression, the wrong camshaft, the quench is too tight and the heads need some chamber and short turn work. It was built with the intention of making as much N/A power as they could and spray it a little bit. It has already proven to be VERY timing sensitive to the fairly small amount they ever hit it with. The guy that drives and tunes the car, was talking with me about it on a regular basis.
The other motor I am speaking about in this thread, if you want to go by HP numbers from various dynos, is about 30hp behind Digby's..........BUT, was built 100% to spray hard. It has low compression, a monster camshaft, loose quench, the heads done right, heavy pistons and everything else a large dose nitrous motor needs. I can run as much timing in this motor on 3 kits as they were able to get by on ONE with Jason's motor...............And the NUMBER 1 FACT, this motor has been 4.40s @ 163mph in a 2900lb car numerous times and we don't hurt it. It comes apart at 60 passes for rods and rings and other than that, is trouble free.
Monte
I dont know all the technical stuff that you guys know about these big builds, Im just a smallblock bracket racer.
Monte, Jason is either 3350 or 3250 lbs for the leafspring class, do you think that with the changes you mentioned and getting down in weight that this could be a viable combo? I understand its limited on bore space and probably never be good enough for what you want to do, but how good do you think it could be with the changes you mentioned? Or would the changes that you'd make reduce the HP amount so much that it would hurt the overall performance to much to make it a viable combo?
MOPAR BORN,MOPAR BRED,AND WHEN I DIE I'LL BE MOPAR DEAD!!!
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