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Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1644313
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Make the motor either a 512 C.I., 4.250 stroke with a 4.375 bore, or a 518 C.I. 4.300 stroke same bore size as the 512. Shoot for 10.5 to 10.8 to 1 compression ratio for 91 octane pump swill and work on the rear suspension to make it hook anywhere and go have fun. My 612 HP 512 C.I. pump gas motor in my 3450 lb street Duster ran [Email]10.69@124.+[/Email] MPH through the muffs first timeout That was with ported 906 iron heads, I swapped the heads to a set of CNC ported Eddy RPM and the car ran 10.49 at 127.+ MPH. That was on a set of 30.5x13x15 M/T ET Street bias plys tires The last time I raced it it had a set of Indy SR M.W. heads and intake and ran 9.993 at 134.+ MPH through the muffs on straight Oregon 91 octane non ethanol pump swill You can get the same results also




This last part here Cab gives me hope going from my rpm`s standard port to a max wedge port............


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Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1644314
07/09/14 10:01 PM
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Make the motor either a 512 C.I., 4.250 stroke with a 4.375 bore, or a 518 C.I. 4.300 stroke same bore size as the 512. Shoot for 10.5 to 10.8 to 1 compression ratio for 91 octane pump swill and work on the rear suspension to make it hook anywhere and go have fun. My 612 HP 512 C.I. pump gas motor in my 3450 lb street Duster ran [Email]10.69@124.+[/Email] MPH through the muffs first timeout That was with ported 906 iron heads, I swapped the heads to a set of CNC ported Eddy RPM and the car ran 10.49 at 127.+ MPH. That was on a set of 30.5x13x15 M/T ET Street bias plys tires The last time I raced it it had a set of Indy SR M.W. heads and intake and ran 9.993 at 134.+ MPH through the muffs on straight Oregon 91 octane non ethanol pump swill You can get the same results also



Good info Cab, thanks, gives me alot to think about.
Got a buddy with a ford who is really tweaking me to turbo it and he's willing to help with the fab so I'm mulling that over...the GTX restoration is moving along so while it's in the paint shop I'll have some time to start on the Duster.


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Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1644315
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Need to know more about your goals...

Do you want a big, loud thumper that sounds intimidating? If so, motor only, but prepared to lose some driveability and have some maintenance.

Do you want med sound with that whine sound? Supercharged, but you will still have some maintenance.

Do you want quiet and unassuming? Turbo. And very little maintenance because you can run a small cam, not a lot of gear and converter and the turbo will eat a lot of the exh sound.






TURBO hands down! For a true street car, nothing beats having GOBS of power, a very streetable rear gear that lets you cruise anywhere, and a very unassuming sounding car (helps with cops and for cleaning the clocks off the ball washers who think they have enough lol).

You say 10's are all you want...and yes, N/A will get you there...but you will want more...thats when you will wish you had a power adder. And when it comes to all around streetability, you cant beat turbos imo

Good luck with it!

Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: mshred] #1644316
07/10/14 08:10 AM
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Need to know more about your goals...

Do you want a big, loud thumper that sounds intimidating? If so, motor only, but prepared to lose some driveability and have some maintenance.

Do you want med sound with that whine sound? Supercharged, but you will still have some maintenance.

Do you want quiet and unassuming? Turbo. And very little maintenance because you can run a small cam, not a lot of gear and converter and the turbo will eat a lot of the exh sound.






TURBO hands down! For a true street car, nothing beats having GOBS of power, a very streetable rear gear that lets you cruise anywhere, and a very unassuming sounding car (helps with cops and for cleaning the clocks off the ball washers who think they have enough lol).

You say 10's are all you want...and yes, N/A will get you there...but you will want more...thats when you will wish you had a power adder. And when it comes to all around streetability, you cant beat turbos imo

Good luck with it!



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2019 Ram 2500 6.4, auto, 4WD
Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: RapidusMaximus] #1644317
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I doubt you could build a low deck, stage 6, motor with the proper sized turbo to only run 10's. It would probably do that on 4psi...lol

If you want a 10 second turbo a body, you don't need those heads, or a stroker.


A 400/383 steel crank, Eddys, and a 80mm t6 turbo will give you 9 second pump gas capability easy. On race gas or would make 1000hp pretty easy.

Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: dizuster] #1644318
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I doubt you could build a low deck, stage 6, motor with the proper sized turbo to only run 10's. It would probably do that on 4psi...lol

If you want a 10 second turbo a body, you don't need those heads, or a stroker.


A 400/383 steel crank, Eddys, and a 80mm t6 turbo will give you 9 second pump gas capability easy. On race gas or would make 1000hp pretty easy.





Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: mshred] #1644319
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I'm partial to Procharger.

Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: dizuster] #1644320
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I doubt you could build a low deck, stage 6, motor with the proper sized turbo to only run 10's. It would probably do that on 4psi...lol

If you want a 10 second turbo a body, you don't need those heads, or a stroker.


A 400/383 steel crank, Eddys, and a 80mm t6 turbo will give you 9 second pump gas capability easy. On race gas or would make 1000hp pretty easy.




Yup, also. Save your money on the heads and stroker part. Look at what we (the turbo guys) run for parts and we are very mild and in the 9's.

I have Eddy heads on a 389 sb with a .520 hydraulic roller, 3.55 gears, 3000 converter.

I think dizuster is running a similar setup.

Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1644321
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Turbo would be my vote but...if you are going to run E15 fuel I'd just go N/A. E15 is a pita to tune on and every tank your specific gravity changes. I loved my turbo setup on non-ethanol 93 but when it wasn't available it caused problems. That's the reason I ditched my turbo was fuel inconsistency got to be an added aggravation I didn't want on a street car.

Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: dizuster] #1644322
07/10/14 01:24 PM
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I doubt you could build a low deck, stage 6, motor with the proper sized turbo to only run 10's. It would probably do that on 4psi...lol

If you want a 10 second turbo a body, you don't need those heads, or a stroker.


A 400/383 steel crank, Eddys, and a 80mm t6 turbo will give you 9 second pump gas capability easy. On race gas or would make 1000hp pretty easy.




why do you say stuff like that? It makes me want to swap out my pistons, sell the sixpack and buy a turbo or 2.


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Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: SLOW67] #1644323
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Turbo would be my vote but...if you are going to run E15 fuel I'd just go N/A. E15 is a pita to tune on and every tank your specific gravity changes. I loved my turbo setup on non-ethanol 93 but when it wasn't available it caused problems. That's the reason I ditched my turbo was fuel inconsistency got to be an added aggravation I didn't want on a street car.




Thats when EFI comes in real handy.. let it take care
of itself

Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1644324
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Turbo would be my vote but...if you are going to run E15 fuel I'd just go N/A. E15 is a pita to tune on and every tank your specific gravity changes. I loved my turbo setup on non-ethanol 93 but when it wasn't available it caused problems. That's the reason I ditched my turbo was fuel inconsistency got to be an added aggravation I didn't want on a street car.




Thats when EFI comes in real handy.. let it take care
of itself




Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1644325
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I have a twin screw blower on a 2006 GT mustang and love it. 7.5 psi, and the hp went from 300 to 480, and the torque is right there on the bottom, starting at 2,000 rpm. The car ran 115 mph in the 1/4. Just think what a car that is 500 lbs lighter with a much bigger motor would do. The twin screw eats a little power over the turbo, but the response is instant, and the torque down low is much superior to a Procharger. I would go for a 500 cube motor with the proper sized Whipple unit.
As an example of how well they work, the STOCK class record for a new Cobra Mustang racer is 8.05 in the 1/4!
That is with a 4.0 liter Whipple on a 302 four valve motor.


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Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: gregsdart] #1644326
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Yep!

Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: FastmOp] #1644327
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Wow...thanks for the responses, hope you turbo guys don't mind PM's for more specific details and pics.


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Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: RapidusMaximus] #1644328
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I am an All Motor guy, but Nitrous sure is a cheap way for quick horsepower. I have enought Nitrous laying around to nuke a small town. Can kind of see the 17 bottles on the right. But boost is the ultimate wat to go in the long run. Got a pair of those too for my big build when I to it someday financially.

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Re: nitrous, turbo, procharger or all motor? [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1644329
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I am an All Motor guy, but Nitrous sure is a cheap way for quick horsepower. I have enought Nitrous laying around to nuke a small town. Can kind of see the 17 bottles on the right. But boost is the ultimate wat to go in the long run. Got a pair of those too for my big build when I to it someday financially.




you wouldn't happen to have enough line to run from the bottle to the soleniod for a b-body would ya? Getting ready to get my install going (FINALLY).

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