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Re: Dear Mopar corporation
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1fast340 do me a favor bro,when you call mopar for all this stuff they HAVE.
Order me two sets of W7's,two sets of W9's ( not rrw9) since they still make W9's it shouldnt be a prob right ?
I also want two 9.60 siamese 48* blocks.
Since its all avail i should hear from you in a few day's correct ?
In all fairness he did state "A MIX OF OLD AND NEW".
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Re: Dear Mopar corporation
[Re: fishy340]
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07/12/14 12:13 PM
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1fast340 do me a favor bro,when you call mopar for all this stuff they HAVE.
Order me two sets of W7's,two sets of W9's ( not rrw9) since they still make W9's it shouldnt be a prob right ?
I also want two 9.60 siamese 48* blocks.
Since its all avail i should hear from you in a few day's correct ?
i did write new and old. and for what its worth i have read and heard enough people complaining about the price and fit of anything that is more exotic than stock to think that the problem is that to many people just wont pay the price and cant take that some stuff will need more or less of a fight to make it work,since nothing realy is a bolt on deal.
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Re: Dear Mopar corporation
[Re: 1Fast340]
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07/12/14 12:17 PM
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and dont forget the new eddy victor..i think we have seen them stop production before.. how ever with the gen3 stuff and all the p7 stuff that is been sold for next to nothing.all the guys that have been holding on to there w7/w8/w9 stuff for years are starting to sale the stuff to people that will actually use them.. and the victor head available.the demand is there..look like we need to put some pressure on them..to bad the other block i wont say the name is such junk.. 
Thanks for the reminder i just added the P5-7 to that short list see its real hard to remember these very few options we have 
Yes the Edelbrock Victor heads should be a real nice addition to this if they ever end up being available. i wonder if the delay is just from edelbrock doing there homework from the bigblock Victor heads where there where some isues finding rockerarms that worked with the different deckheights and lifterstyles. 
Wow, aren't you a champ there compiling a list....Now, how many on that list are a) not a twin to a magnum version b) not ridiculous to find, still produced, or actually usable when you do find them c) don't require changing to exotic or application specific parts totally unique to that head ONLY d) are not just a pre existing head ported/ modified
Sorry, but half those heads you listed are the same as one another, discontinued, exotic, not worth it (imo) to even bother running, etc....Like I said, there is no in between with the SBM- there is entry level, and there is full on race. To be quite frank, I think out of ALL those heads the majority are Mopar, and only a couple (commando, W2, W9) are even easily attainable. Many are only available second hand, or like finding a needle in a haystack. Hell, you even are mentioning Eddy Victors, yet they still really haven't even become available!
Your list means diddly s$%* to me- it actually makes me think what I said is even more true....LOL...Compared to sbc, sbf, or even bbm there are few choices imo
You should know by know that the Ford and GM crowd wont start biotching if they have to get headers or intakes that are specific to fit when they upgrade in the cylinderhead department. and for some reason they wont start trowing fits like unciviliced 4year olds either if they end up having a need for a new set of rockerarms either.
Most times when you start building a new engine you will end up replaceing all these items anyway and the price is not all that bad considering that in most cases you end up with much better parts when buying the suporting hardware to fit the slightly more exotic heads. only the moparcrowd is complaining about these facts and thats one of the big reasons why so few new products are being developed.
come to think of it,your indyheads are among those exotic highpriced pieces so why are you complaining?
since you are such a fantastic worldchampion at this why dont YOU invent a new head that takes all stock garbage parts and makes 6565654654HP with a purple shaft and idles like a stock 318?
LOL...your trying to lump me into the typical "mopar" group, yet I have Indy heads that required special headers, rocker arms, intake, etc....I am not complaining, I am stating a point which totally went right past your head.
Which of those heads can you even get a hold of anymore (Andy gets it!)? Which are even useable or worth it? Which are not totally just stock replacement copies that have more potential then stock heads?
Sorry, but I still stand by what I said. Eliminate all the heads you listed that you can't get anymore (or that you apparently still can but you have to know James Bond or something) or that are essentially copies of each other and what do you have left?
All I was getting at is that there is little selection- why is it that the only bolt on heads for the small block with STOCK rockers/exhaust are essentially just an aluminum x head? or iron?
You seem to be content with the options available, which is great....But you, just like other "mopar guys" are used to having little selection that to you its perfectly fine. My point is this- there is nothing wrong with having OPTIONS! With SBM, there are little READILY AVAILABLE ones for various levels of performance....Hell, why do you think Indy has such a lock on the market for real race heads for the sbm? Half of the Mopar ones are impossible to get, and then there is Brodix- and thats about it! lol...but as was said, I guess that doesn't matter if you can't get a block LOL
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Re: Dear Mopar corporation
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07/12/14 12:22 PM
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what range are you calling in between?
Look at SBF or SBC stuff....they have options for just about every damn level of performance. How to grade/sort those levels of performance is different in everyones perspective (which is why people may not agree with me...which is fine) but having options gives you a variety of performance options.
I am probably not explaining myself well here, and if you get it you get it, if not, you probably see it different then me, which is cool. As I said though, there is nothing wrong with having more readily available options! Maybe then everyone can stop whining about "I will never deal with Indy again!"...oh except they are like the only company that you can readily get your hands on a race head from for these engines.
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Re: Dear Mopar corporation
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07/12/14 12:24 PM
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i guess it is time to look at the gen3 stuff hell even 23* chevy is dead they have moved on to the LS stuff. 400+ cfm out of a gen3 is possible 
The way to go for sure....It just sucks that if you have amassed a bunch of sb parts that they now kinda useless in comparison lol
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Re: Dear Mopar corporation
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07/12/14 12:25 PM
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1fast340 do me a favor bro,when you call mopar for all this stuff they HAVE.
Order me two sets of W7's,two sets of W9's ( not rrw9) since they still make W9's it shouldnt be a prob right ?
I also want two 9.60 siamese 48* blocks.
Since its all avail i should hear from you in a few day's correct ?
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Re: Dear Mopar corporation
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07/12/14 12:42 PM
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i guess it is time to look at the gen3 stuff hell even 23* chevy is dead they have moved on to the LS stuff. 400+ cfm out of a gen3 is possible
The way to go for sure....It just sucks that if you have amassed a bunch of sb parts that they now kinda useless in comparison lol
funny you say that, because all my chevy friends said the same thing when GM went to the LS 
You can score a junkyard LS for under $500 around here, and with a few parts you have a stout engine. A G3 is atleast 1-1500k around here in price, and thats if you can find one....I want to do it eventually, I am just too damn lazy at this point to change over
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Re: Dear Mopar corporation
[Re: fishy340]
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07/12/14 02:33 PM
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I think this thread has gotten a little off track.
Back to "Dear Mopar"
Please fix Mopar performance or sell it to someone who will fix it. There are people who want parts, and willing to spend money.
Talking to the parts guys I know they are Pi$$ed off, hard to sell parts when there are no real answers about when parts will be available or for how much.
It is not just small block parts it is the whole program. Lets see if we can get this thread in front of someone who has the power to make some changes!
"Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"
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Re: Dear Mopar corporation
[Re: Just-a-dart]
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07/12/14 04:00 PM
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I think this thread has gotten a little off track.
Back to "Dear Mopar"
Please fix Mopar performance or sell it to someone who will fix it. There are people who want parts, and willing to spend money.
Talking to the parts guys I know they are Pi$$ed off, hard to sell parts when there are no real answers about when parts will be available or for how much.
It is not just small block parts it is the whole program. Lets see if we can get this thread in front of someone who has the power to make some changes!
Thats the problem.. I know when I was working, there
was a nascar group and they had a bit to do with the
MP stuff but I dont know if there really is a MP group
or department.. yeah they had a small group that would
answer the phone calls(like a tech dept)but they had
nothing to do with development or the supply or the
ordering of parts from any suppliers.. or who got
the job of supplying parts.... and being that I retired
I dont know if the nascar group is there any longer
since we arent into that either
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Re: Dear Mopar corporation
[Re: jg309]
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07/12/14 07:31 PM
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& then they all complane because they have to do a little mach. work to bee just right, if u don't belive me just ask kent ritter
Please define "a little" machine work.
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Re: Dear Mopar corporation
[Re: jg309]
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07/12/14 07:44 PM
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& then they all complane because they have to do a little mach. work to bee just right, if u don't belive me just ask kent ritter
 ....so how much power does your Ritter block equipped mill put down?
My parts manager and I threw the R3 block order in to pretty much see what would happen. While he's not into the "performance" side of parts and hasn't ever worked in a performance oriented dealer, he did agree that at one time there was at least someone you could call when questions arose with the parts in the MP catalog. I noted in another post a michigan member stated something to the fact that this fall they were going to have blocks available again. I PM'ed him as I kind of wondered who his sources were and how valid the info was....
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Re: Dear Mopar corporation
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07/12/14 10:36 PM
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My question is why does Mopar have to supply these parts? This is America where anyone can become an entrepreneur and get the ball rolling on aftermarket parts. Put a business plan together, get a small business loan or investors and give it a shot.
Here's my answer They are in the buisness aren't they & own the rights & pick the vendors to make what they own ?
I already have a career this is just a hobby that cost me 100.000 grand in the last 3 yrs.
And can i ask what kind of motor are you running ? Is it a race car or cruiser with a stock block ? If you were in OUR shoes and looking to go fast i believe you might feel differently.
Ps while the new Gen hemi is cool to try and compete with 23* or 20* on power adders i think would be difficult and i dont wanna be a ginny pig to see how mucb spray it can take.
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