Dear Mopar corporation

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and dont forget the new eddy victor..i think we have seen them stop production before.. how ever with the gen3 stuff and all the p7 stuff that is been sold for next to nothing.all the guys that have been holding on to there w7/w8/w9 stuff for years are starting to sale the stuff to people that will actually use them.. and the victor head available.the demand is there..look like we need to put some pressure on them..to bad the other block i wont say the name is such junk..

Thanks for the reminder i just added the P5-7 to that short list see its real hard to remember these very few options we have

Yes the Edelbrock Victor heads should be a real nice addition to this if they ever end up being available. i wonder if the delay is just from edelbrock doing there homework from the bigblock Victor heads where there where some isues finding rockerarms that worked with the different deckheights and lifterstyles.

Wow, aren't you a champ there compiling a list....Now, how many on that list are a) not a twin to a magnum version b) not ridiculous to find, still produced, or actually usable when you do find them c) don't require changing to exotic or application specific parts totally unique to that head ONLY d) are not just a pre existing head ported/ modified

Sorry, but half those heads you listed are the same as one another, discontinued, exotic, not worth it (imo) to even bother running, etc....Like I said, there is no in between with the SBM- there is entry level, and there is full on race. To be quite frank, I think out of ALL those heads the majority are Mopar, and only a couple (commando, W2, W9) are even easily attainable. Many are only available second hand, or like finding a needle in a haystack. Hell, you even are mentioning Eddy Victors, yet they still really haven't even become available!

Your list means diddly s$%* to me- it actually makes me think what I said is even more true....LOL...Compared to sbc, sbf, or even bbm there are few choices imo

You should know by know that the Ford and GM crowd wont start biotching if they have to get headers or intakes that are specific to fit when they upgrade in the cylinderhead department. and for some reason they wont start trowing fits like unciviliced 4year olds either if they end up having a need for a new set of rockerarms either.

Most times when you start building a new engine you will end up replaceing all these items anyway and the price is not all that bad considering that in most cases you end up with much better parts when buying the suporting hardware to fit the slightly more exotic heads. only the moparcrowd is complaining about these facts and thats one of the big reasons why so few new products are being developed.

come to think of it,your indyheads are among those exotic highpriced pieces so why are you complaining?

since you are such a fantastic worldchampion at this why dont YOU invent a new head that takes all stock garbage parts and makes 6565654654HP with a purple shaft and idles like a stock 318?

Posted By: fishy340

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 02:50 PM

1fast340 do me a favor bro,when you call mopar for all this stuff they HAVE.
Order me two sets of W7's,two sets of W9's ( not rrw9) since they still make W9's it shouldnt be a prob right ?
I also want two 9.60 siamese 48* blocks.
Since its all avail i should hear from you in a few day's correct ?

Posted By: WHITEDART

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 03:18 PM

Wow, aren't you a champ there compiling a list....Now, how many on that list are a) not a twin to a magnum version b) not ridiculous to find, still produced, or actually usable when you do find them c) don't require changing to exotic or application specific parts totally unique to that head ONLY d) are not just a pre existing head ported/ modified

Sorry, but half those heads you listed are the same as one another, discontinued, exotic, not worth it (imo) to even bother running, etc....Like I said, there is no in between with the SBM- there is entry level, and there is full on race. To be quite frank, I think out of ALL those heads the majority are Mopar, and only a couple (commando, W2, W9) are even easily attainable. Many are only available second hand, or like finding a needle in a haystack. Hell, you even are mentioning Eddy Victors, yet they still really haven't even become available!

Your list means diddly s$%* to me- it actually makes me think what I said is even more true....LOL...Compared to sbc, sbf, or even bbm there are few choices imo

and there is the MR J head aswell. here is something to keep in mind with the other brands you are right many heads to pick from. you only need 1 or 2 heads for each power level.so if you are doing a 400hp motor stock stuff will get you there .if you are looking 650hp or less eddy rmp or the mr.j/procomp.is the one. if you want up to 750hp give indy. brodex a call. and if want more than 750hp n/a w7/w8/w9/9rp.these heads can make as much as 1000hp n/a. so we will spend a few bucks more but we all no that.

the story here is about the r3 block not been made. most of the guys that need a race block are ready to spend some extra coin and looking for more than 650hp, we have more heads now than ever we just need our r3 back

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 03:18 PM

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1fast340 do me a favor bro,when you call mopar for all this stuff they HAVE.
Order me two sets of W7's,two sets of W9's ( not rrw9) since they still make W9's it shouldnt be a prob right ?
I also want two 9.60 siamese 48* blocks.
Since its all avail i should hear from you in a few day's correct ?

In all fairness he did state "A MIX OF OLD AND NEW".

Posted By: WHITEDART

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 03:35 PM

i guess it is time to look at the gen3 stuff. hell even 23* chevy is dead they have moved on to the LS stuff. 400+ cfm out of a gen3 is possible

Posted By: 1Fast340

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 04:13 PM

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1fast340 do me a favor bro,when you call mopar for all this stuff they HAVE.
Order me two sets of W7's,two sets of W9's ( not rrw9) since they still make W9's it shouldnt be a prob right ?
I also want two 9.60 siamese 48* blocks.
Since its all avail i should hear from you in a few day's correct ?

i did write new and old. and for what its worth i have read and heard enough people complaining about the price and fit of anything that is more exotic than stock to think that the problem is that to many people just wont pay the price and cant take that some stuff will need more or less of a fight to make it work,since nothing realy is a bolt on deal.

Posted By: mshred

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 04:17 PM

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and dont forget the new eddy victor..i think we have seen them stop production before.. how ever with the gen3 stuff and all the p7 stuff that is been sold for next to nothing.all the guys that have been holding on to there w7/w8/w9 stuff for years are starting to sale the stuff to people that will actually use them.. and the victor head available.the demand is there..look like we need to put some pressure on them..to bad the other block i wont say the name is such junk..

Thanks for the reminder i just added the P5-7 to that short list see its real hard to remember these very few options we have

Yes the Edelbrock Victor heads should be a real nice addition to this if they ever end up being available. i wonder if the delay is just from edelbrock doing there homework from the bigblock Victor heads where there where some isues finding rockerarms that worked with the different deckheights and lifterstyles.

Wow, aren't you a champ there compiling a list....Now, how many on that list are a) not a twin to a magnum version b) not ridiculous to find, still produced, or actually usable when you do find them c) don't require changing to exotic or application specific parts totally unique to that head ONLY d) are not just a pre existing head ported/ modified

Sorry, but half those heads you listed are the same as one another, discontinued, exotic, not worth it (imo) to even bother running, etc....Like I said, there is no in between with the SBM- there is entry level, and there is full on race. To be quite frank, I think out of ALL those heads the majority are Mopar, and only a couple (commando, W2, W9) are even easily attainable. Many are only available second hand, or like finding a needle in a haystack. Hell, you even are mentioning Eddy Victors, yet they still really haven't even become available!

Your list means diddly s$%* to me- it actually makes me think what I said is even more true....LOL...Compared to sbc, sbf, or even bbm there are few choices imo

You should know by know that the Ford and GM crowd wont start biotching if they have to get headers or intakes that are specific to fit when they upgrade in the cylinderhead department. and for some reason they wont start trowing fits like unciviliced 4year olds either if they end up having a need for a new set of rockerarms either.

Most times when you start building a new engine you will end up replaceing all these items anyway and the price is not all that bad considering that in most cases you end up with much better parts when buying the suporting hardware to fit the slightly more exotic heads. only the moparcrowd is complaining about these facts and thats one of the big reasons why so few new products are being developed.

come to think of it,your indyheads are among those exotic highpriced pieces so why are you complaining?

since you are such a fantastic worldchampion at this why dont YOU invent a new head that takes all stock garbage parts and makes 6565654654HP with a purple shaft and idles like a stock 318?

LOL...your trying to lump me into the typical "mopar" group, yet I have Indy heads that required special headers, rocker arms, intake, etc....I am not complaining, I am stating a point which totally went right past your head.

Which of those heads can you even get a hold of anymore (Andy gets it!)? Which are even useable or worth it? Which are not totally just stock replacement copies that have more potential then stock heads?

Sorry, but I still stand by what I said. Eliminate all the heads you listed that you can't get anymore (or that you apparently still can but you have to know James Bond or something) or that are essentially copies of each other and what do you have left?

All I was getting at is that there is little selection- why is it that the only bolt on heads for the small block with STOCK rockers/exhaust are essentially just an aluminum x head? or iron?

You seem to be content with the options available, which is great....But you, just like other "mopar guys" are used to having little selection that to you its perfectly fine. My point is this- there is nothing wrong with having OPTIONS! With SBM, there are little READILY AVAILABLE ones for various levels of performance....Hell, why do you think Indy has such a lock on the market for real race heads for the sbm? Half of the Mopar ones are impossible to get, and then there is Brodix- and thats about it! lol...but as was said, I guess that doesn't matter if you can't get a block LOL

Posted By: mshred

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 04:22 PM

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what range are you calling in between?

Look at SBF or SBC stuff....they have options for just about every damn level of performance. How to grade/sort those levels of performance is different in everyones perspective (which is why people may not agree with me...which is fine) but having options gives you a variety of performance options.

I am probably not explaining myself well here, and if you get it you get it, if not, you probably see it different then me, which is cool. As I said though, there is nothing wrong with having more readily available options! Maybe then everyone can stop whining about "I will never deal with Indy again!"...oh except they are like the only company that you can readily get your hands on a race head from for these engines.

Posted By: mshred

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 04:24 PM

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i guess it is time to look at the gen3 stuff hell even 23* chevy is dead they have moved on to the LS stuff. 400+ cfm out of a gen3 is possible

The way to go for sure....It just sucks that if you have amassed a bunch of sb parts that they now kinda useless in comparison lol

Posted By: mshred

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 04:25 PM

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1fast340 do me a favor bro,when you call mopar for all this stuff they HAVE.
Order me two sets of W7's,two sets of W9's ( not rrw9) since they still make W9's it shouldnt be a prob right ?
I also want two 9.60 siamese 48* blocks.
Since its all avail i should hear from you in a few day's correct ?

Posted By: WHITEDART

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 04:35 PM

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i guess it is time to look at the gen3 stuff hell even 23* chevy is dead they have moved on to the LS stuff. 400+ cfm out of a gen3 is possible

The way to go for sure....It just sucks that if you have amassed a bunch of sb parts that they now kinda useless in comparison lol

funny you say that, because all my chevy friends said the same thing when GM went to the LS

Posted By: mshred

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 04:42 PM

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i guess it is time to look at the gen3 stuff hell even 23* chevy is dead they have moved on to the LS stuff. 400+ cfm out of a gen3 is possible

The way to go for sure....It just sucks that if you have amassed a bunch of sb parts that they now kinda useless in comparison lol

funny you say that, because all my chevy friends said the same thing when GM went to the LS

You can score a junkyard LS for under $500 around here, and with a few parts you have a stout engine. A G3 is atleast 1-1500k around here in price, and thats if you can find one....I want to do it eventually, I am just too damn lazy at this point to change over

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 05:06 PM

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i guess it is time to look at the gen3 stuff. hell even 23* chevy is dead they have moved on to the LS stuff. 400+ cfm out of a gen3 is possible

So lets start a list of some of these builds. Dollar for dollar I haven't really seen anything to get excited about. Maybe I missed something.

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 05:42 PM

hindsite being what it is I could have had a few of these engines and parts from work over the years.

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 06:18 PM

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i guess it is time to look at the gen3 stuff hell even 23* chevy is dead they have moved on to the LS stuff. 400+ cfm out of a gen3 is possible

The way to go for sure....It just sucks that if you have amassed a bunch of sb parts that they now kinda useless in comparison lol

It can be hard to swallow but a guy just has to sell off his old stuff. I had enough BB stuff for 2 GOOD 400/451 short blocks but even if I kept them I would need to invest at least $3000 in heads to make the power I will with this little 420" Gen III with a hydraulic roller. I still think if a guy is going to bracket race, a simple 500" B engine has no equal in reliability,power and price. If enough guys get the ball rolling with the Gen III that will change.

Posted By: Just-a-dart

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 06:33 PM

I think this thread has gotten a little off track.

Back to "Dear Mopar"

Please fix Mopar performance or sell it to someone who will fix it. There are people who want parts, and willing to spend money.

Talking to the parts guys I know they are Pi$$ed off, hard to sell parts when there are no real answers about when parts will be available or for how much.

It is not just small block parts it is the whole program. Lets see if we can get this thread in front of someone who has the power to make some changes!

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 08:00 PM

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I think this thread has gotten a little off track.

Back to "Dear Mopar"

Please fix Mopar performance or sell it to someone who will fix it. There are people who want parts, and willing to spend money.

Talking to the parts guys I know they are Pi$$ed off, hard to sell parts when there are no real answers about when parts will be available or for how much.

It is not just small block parts it is the whole program. Lets see if we can get this thread in front of someone who has the power to make some changes!

Thats the problem.. I know when I was working, there
was a nascar group and they had a bit to do with the
MP stuff but I dont know if there really is a MP group
or department.. yeah they had a small group that would
answer the phone calls(like a tech dept)but they had
nothing to do with development or the supply or the
ordering of parts from any suppliers.. or who got
the job of supplying parts.... and being that I retired
I dont know if the nascar group is there any longer
since we arent into that either

Posted By: fishy340

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 08:09 PM

I hear ya,the old and new is hard hard hard to find ( and i get tired of it ) thats really my complaint.
I am by far not cheap and am fully aware it takes more $ to build a fast sb mopar..sheesh wanna hear 2300 for belt drive/front distrubuter,4700 for block and work,about 7000 in the heads and intake maybe more etc etc Im willing to pay...But MOPAR don't make nothing easy for US.

Posted By: STEFF

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 08:44 PM

My question is why does Mopar have to supply these parts? This is America where anyone can become an entrepreneur and get the ball rolling on aftermarket parts. Put a business plan together, get a small business loan or investors and give it a shot.

Posted By: jg309

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 10:46 PM

& then they all complane because they have to do a little mach. work to bee just right, if u don't belive me just ask kent ritter

Posted By: justinp61

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 11:31 PM

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& then they all complane because they have to do a little mach. work to bee just right, if u don't belive me just ask kent ritter

Please define "a little" machine work.

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/12/14 11:44 PM

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& then they all complane because they have to do a little mach. work to bee just right, if u don't belive me just ask kent ritter

....so how much power does your Ritter block equipped mill put down?

My parts manager and I threw the R3 block order in to pretty much see what would happen. While he's not into the "performance" side of parts and hasn't ever worked in a performance oriented dealer, he did agree that at one time there was at least someone you could call when questions arose with the parts in the MP catalog. I noted in another post a michigan member stated something to the fact that this fall they were going to have blocks available again. I PM'ed him as I kind of wondered who his sources were and how valid the info was....

Posted By: fishy340

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/13/14 02:36 AM

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My question is why does Mopar have to supply these parts? This is America where anyone can become an entrepreneur and get the ball rolling on aftermarket parts. Put a business plan together, get a small business loan or investors and give it a shot.

Here's my answer They are in the buisness aren't they & own the rights & pick the vendors to make what they own ?
I already have a career this is just a hobby that cost me 100.000 grand in the last 3 yrs.
And can i ask what kind of motor are you running ? Is it a race car or cruiser with a stock block ? If you were in OUR shoes and looking to go fast i believe you might feel differently.
Ps while the new Gen hemi is cool to try and compete with 23* or 20* on power adders i think would be difficult and i dont wanna be a ginny pig to see how mucb spray it can take.

Posted By: WHITEDART

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/13/14 03:36 AM

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-NSUfhEmLLdsErw rob goss and his gen3 has been 4.90 in the 1/8

Posted By: max_maniac

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/13/14 04:00 AM

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-NSUfhEmLLdsErw rob goss and his gen3 has been 4.90 in the 1/8

I snagged this from another web site and this happened this weekend

Update this, here in Chicago for NMCA running in Street Outlaw Rob just went a 7.07 ...... that gen 3 MOVES!!!!

Russ

Posted By: STEFF

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/13/14 04:22 AM

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Here's my answer They are in the buisness aren't they & own the rights & pick the vendors to make what they own ?
I already have a career this is just a hobby that cost me 100.000 grand in the last 3 yrs.
And can i ask what kind of motor are you running ? Is it a race car or cruiser with a stock block ? If you were in OUR shoes and looking to go fast i believe you might feel differently.
Ps while the new Gen hemi is cool to try and compete with 23* or 20* on power adders i think would be difficult and i dont wanna be a ginny pig to see how mucb spray it can take.

Just because Mopar made something at one time doesn't mean they have to continue making it. Maybe the demand is just not there anymore to justify it.

As for what I have, I have a street/strip car with a Gen 3 Hemi. Been there and done that with a full blown race car......No more for me. Seems to me you need to take a good look at your program and if the parts aren't available, move on to what is.

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/14/14 02:39 PM

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Here's my answer They are in the buisness aren't they & own the rights & pick the vendors to make what they own ?
I already have a career this is just a hobby that cost me 100.000 grand in the last 3 yrs.
And can i ask what kind of motor are you running ? Is it a race car or cruiser with a stock block ? If you were in OUR shoes and looking to go fast i believe you might feel differently.
Ps while the new Gen hemi is cool to try and compete with 23* or 20* on power adders i think would be difficult and i dont wanna be a ginny pig to see how mucb spray it can take.

Just because Mopar made something at one time doesn't mean they have to continue making it. Maybe the demand is just not there anymore to justify it.

As for what I have, I have a street/strip car with a Gen 3 Hemi. Been there and done that with a full blown race car......No more for me. Seems to me you need to take a good look at your program and if the parts aren't available, move on to what is.

So I should move on from small block mopars? No more race sbms, so what should I put in? Can't go gen 3 hemi no race blocks either. So I guess I should go small block chevy? Or maybe ford? What do you think Steff?

Posted By: 1Fast340

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/14/14 02:41 PM

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Here's my answer They are in the buisness aren't they & own the rights & pick the vendors to make what they own ?
I already have a career this is just a hobby that cost me 100.000 grand in the last 3 yrs.
And can i ask what kind of motor are you running ? Is it a race car or cruiser with a stock block ? If you were in OUR shoes and looking to go fast i believe you might feel differently.
Ps while the new Gen hemi is cool to try and compete with 23* or 20* on power adders i think would be difficult and i dont wanna be a ginny pig to see how mucb spray it can take.

Just because Mopar made something at one time doesn't mean they have to continue making it. Maybe the demand is just not there anymore to justify it.

As for what I have, I have a street/strip car with a Gen 3 Hemi. Been there and done that with a full blown race car......No more for me. Seems to me you need to take a good look at your program and if the parts aren't available, move on to what is.

So I should move on from small block mopars? No more race sbms, so what should I put in? Can't go gen 3 hemi no race blocks either. So I guess I should go small block chevy? Or maybe ford? What do you think Steff?

how much power do you intend to make? seems like the factory Gen3blocks can handle quite alot of power boosted.

Posted By: STEFF

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/14/14 03:24 PM

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So I should move on from small block mopars? No more race sbms, so what should I put in? Can't go gen 3 hemi no race blocks either. So I guess I should go small block chevy? Or maybe ford? What do you think Steff?

It's kinda' like this, people can piss and moan about products that used to be available, and are not anymore. Or, scour the used market for those parts. Or, look at other options of product that is available. Or, look at the possibility of creating that much needed product.

It would be nice if Chrysler was to start making the race blocks again, but it's quite evident that it isn't a big priority anymore. I wonder why Indy never developed a SBM block to go along with their BBM block? Seems like a perfect opportunity to get a needed product to the market and make a few bucks. But then again, maybe the market and return on investment isn't there.

What ever became of the Ritter Block?

Posted By: fishy340

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/14/14 06:23 PM

Well there ya go...i'd feel no pain either if they stopped gen3 stuff.I have a preference and have been loyal to a brand that does nothing to help.
As far as demand as i stated we are not GM or Ford big but more.and more.and getting aftermarket stuff because good 340's are getting rare.
Even for guys that will never need max effort having a place to buy a block is essential..ps they are selling like crazy I know this.
As i stated earlier im building this W9 motor and if i blow it and need another block..I AM GONE thats all im saying.That is of course mopar does something and makes more !

Posted By: STEFF

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/14/14 06:56 PM

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Well there ya go...i'd feel no pain either if they stopped gen3 stuff.I have a preference and have been loyal to a brand that does nothing to help.
As far as demand as i stated we are not GM or Ford big but more.and more.and getting aftermarket stuff because good 340's are getting rare.
Even for guys that will never need max effort having a place to buy a block is essential..ps they are selling like crazy I know this.
As i stated earlier im building this W9 motor and if i blow it and need another block..I AM GONE thats all im saying.That is of course mopar does something and makes more !

Please don't take what I said as pouring salt into the wound or anything like that. I didn't mean it that way. I feel for ya'. I was just trying to get the point thru that necessity spurns innovation and maybe this is an opportunity for someone to create a new block for the marketplace.

Posted By: MattW

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/14/14 07:16 PM

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Well there ya go...i'd feel no pain either if they stopped gen3 stuff.I have a preference and have been loyal to a brand that does nothing to help.
As far as demand as i stated we are not GM or Ford big but more.and more.and getting aftermarket stuff because good 340's are getting rare.
Even for guys that will never need max effort having a place to buy a block is essential..ps they are selling like crazy I know this.
As i stated earlier im building this W9 motor and if i blow it and need another block..I AM GONE thats all im saying.That is of course mopar does something and makes more !

Just out of curiosity how much hp are you looking at making?

Posted By: fishy340

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/15/14 12:36 AM

Matt 800+ na but built 100% for spray so 1200 to 1300. Steff im not at all mad brother and to be honest with ya this all came about when the dude with the turbo dart wants to go Mopar after having a ford motor.

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/15/14 12:50 AM

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Here's my answer They are in the buisness aren't they & own the rights & pick the vendors to make what they own ?
I already have a career this is just a hobby that cost me 100.000 grand in the last 3 yrs.
And can i ask what kind of motor are you running ? Is it a race car or cruiser with a stock block ? If you were in OUR shoes and looking to go fast i believe you might feel differently.
Ps while the new Gen hemi is cool to try and compete with 23* or 20* on power adders i think would be difficult and i dont wanna be a ginny pig to see how mucb spray it can take.

Just because Mopar made something at one time doesn't mean they have to continue making it. Maybe the demand is just not there anymore to justify it.

As for what I have, I have a street/strip car with a Gen 3 Hemi. Been there and done that with a full blown race car......No more for me. Seems to me you need to take a good look at your program and if the parts aren't available, move on to what is.

So I should move on from small block mopars? No more race sbms, so what should I put in? Can't go gen 3 hemi no race blocks either. So I guess I should go small block chevy? Or maybe ford? What do you think Steff?

how much power do you intend to make? seems like the factory Gen3blocks can handle quite alot of power boosted.

I am at the 1000 hp level now so if I build another motor I would want to make more. I would want to do a factory block and be told I think it will hold up. I run nitrous so that is a little harder on parts then boost.

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/15/14 07:56 AM

.....finally piece together the small block of my dreams and all the parts are unobtanium.

Posted By: 1Fast340

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/15/14 12:42 PM

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Here's my answer They are in the buisness aren't they & own the rights & pick the vendors to make what they own ?
I already have a career this is just a hobby that cost me 100.000 grand in the last 3 yrs.
And can i ask what kind of motor are you running ? Is it a race car or cruiser with a stock block ? If you were in OUR shoes and looking to go fast i believe you might feel differently.
Ps while the new Gen hemi is cool to try and compete with 23* or 20* on power adders i think would be difficult and i dont wanna be a ginny pig to see how mucb spray it can take.

Just because Mopar made something at one time doesn't mean they have to continue making it. Maybe the demand is just not there anymore to justify it.

As for what I have, I have a street/strip car with a Gen 3 Hemi. Been there and done that with a full blown race car......No more for me. Seems to me you need to take a good look at your program and if the parts aren't available, move on to what is.

So I should move on from small block mopars? No more race sbms, so what should I put in? Can't go gen 3 hemi no race blocks either. So I guess I should go small block chevy? Or maybe ford? What do you think Steff?

how much power do you intend to make? seems like the factory Gen3blocks can handle quite alot of power boosted.

I am at the 1000 hp level now so if I build another motor I would want to make more. I would want to do a factory block and be told I think it will hold up. I run nitrous so that is a little harder on parts then boost.

yep you are up there where even these strong Gen3 stockblocks might have a limited lifetime,i would use boost instead of nitrous unless you are stuck with the nitrous by some rules.
cant you find one of those Aluminum blocks?i seem to remember mopar makeing a few different styles of aluminum Gen3 blocks some time ago

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/15/14 05:56 PM

So now I need to sell my heads, motor, intake,custom headers, change power adders change convertors and motor mounts and find a aluminum block! It should only be 15k if I get good deals lol. I wonder why I race a Mopar.

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/15/14 06:11 PM

My NS1 order was kicked back as cancelled... Didn't even go to back order status.

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/15/14 07:09 PM

What specific part # are you guys after?

Posted By: fishy340

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/15/14 07:22 PM

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My question is why does Mopar have to supply these parts? This is America where anyone can become an entrepreneur and get the ball rolling on aftermarket parts. Put a business plan together, get a small business loan or investors and give it a shot.

They Don't but if you think anyone wants to go through what Kent Ritter went through you are crazy.
Their are laws and you just cant copy a patent ya know ? Liscensing etc etc.
This has happened before hence why Kent did what he did for the market.

Posted By: STEFF

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/15/14 09:00 PM

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They Don't but if you think anyone wants to go through what Kent Ritter went through you are crazy.
Their are laws and you just cant copy a patent ya know ? Liscensing etc etc.
This has happened before hence why Kent did what he did for the market.

I find it hard to believe that every aftermarket block, head etc... made by a third party, for any brand, is violating a patent. If that was the case, alot of people are breaking the law. Maybe they may pay a licencing fee if they mention the original Company name in their part description. But other than that..... I guess I need to find out, as I developed a Camshaft Belt Drive for the Gen 3 Hemi, that I'm real close to putting on the market.

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/15/14 09:48 PM

I was basically checking the availability of my P4876671AD block just as an example. Often if you order a depleted part it will at least show a prospective build or release date.... Not the R3 blocks. Jegs shows them on eBay for a hefty sum of $3287. Even says the have 10 available.... they have none. I'll continue the rest of the story later.

....stayed on hold a little while over lunch and the Jegs rep got back on and said he had called his "mopar rep" and they told him that any order made in June would have been honored....anything else, the end.

Posted By: MattW

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/15/14 11:57 PM

For your block or earlier ones?

Posted By: STEFF

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/16/14 02:42 AM

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I find it hard to believe that every aftermarket block, head etc... made by a third party, for any brand, is violating a patent. If that was the case, alot of people are breaking the law. Maybe they may pay a licencing fee if they mention the original Company name in their part description. But other than that..... I guess I need to find out, as I developed a Camshaft Belt Drive for the Gen 3 Hemi, that I'm real close to putting on the market.

For your block or earlier ones?

VVT model is on my motor as we speak and its performing flawlessly. Once finished testing, Pre-VVT model will follow.

Posted By: knyech1

Re: Dear Mopar corporation - 07/20/14 12:14 AM

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Here's my answer They are in the buisness aren't they & own the rights & pick the vendors to make what they own ?
I already have a career this is just a hobby that cost me 100.000 grand in the last 3 yrs.
And can i ask what kind of motor are you running ? Is it a race car or cruiser with a stock block ? If you were in OUR shoes and looking to go fast i believe you might feel differently.
Ps while the new Gen hemi is cool to try and compete with 23* or 20* on power adders i think would be difficult and i dont wanna be a ginny pig to see how mucb spray it can take.

Just because Mopar made something at one time doesn't mean they have to continue making it. Maybe the demand is just not there anymore to justify it.

As for what I have, I have a street/strip car with a Gen 3 Hemi. Been there and done that with a full blown race car......No more for me. Seems to me you need to take a good look at your program and if the parts aren't available, move on to what is.

So I should move on from small block mopars? No more race sbms, so what should I put in? Can't go gen 3 hemi no race blocks either. So I guess I should go small block chevy? Or maybe ford? What do you think Steff?

how much power do you intend to make? seems like the factory Gen3blocks can handle quite alot of power boosted.

I am at the 1000 hp level now so if I build another motor I would want to make more. I would want to do a factory block and be told I think it will hold up. I run nitrous so that is a little harder on parts then boost.

yep you are up there where even these strong Gen3 stockblocks might have a limited lifetime,i would use boost instead of nitrous unless you are stuck with the nitrous by some rules.
cant you find one of those Aluminum blocks?i seem to remember mopar makeing a few different styles of aluminum Gen3 blocks some time ago

There are guys out there that run a little over 1000hp on boost with the Gen3 Hemi. It's all a life statement, people are running naturally aspirated engines at 750-800hp and cracking cylinder walls. There are guys running aluminum race blocks, with Darton sleeves, running 9's and high 8's, making 25-30 runs and cracking the cylinder walls. Some of the stocker guys running the Gen3, making them hold up by taking a 6.1 or 6.4 block, and sleeving them to 5.7 bore so the cylinder walls can hold up to the load. The LS blocks are 100lb heavier and hold up to quite a bit more hp. I am selling all of my stuff from my boosted build because the parts are stupid expensive for standard production parts, and from what I have, and the price the stuff is going for, I could nearly buy an all-out race engine for the same price, which will actually hold up to much more power. For instance, a built up 6.1-based 426 will run you $19,000, netting you 585hp; a typical R5P7 however will run you half that, giving you 800-850hp reliably. The Mopar market makes absolutely no sense. Sucks that all of my buddies are running 4G63's, LS's, and 2JZ's and they are spending the same if not less than I have to in order to attain the 1/4 times, and they can drive their cars daily whereas I can't.