Starter differences (not mini starter)
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07/03/14 04:57 PM
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Silly question, but I have noticed a difference in part numbers in starters for 318/360s on the OReilly site. I currently run a part number 03-0215X (03-0215X), which is what OReilly suggests for a 73 Duster 318. I have noticed that some late 70s and 80s Chryslers with 318/360 suggest a 03-0213X, which is 11.180” long. This is not a later 80s/90s mini starter, so what is the difference? Is the -0213 shorter starter a high torque unit? I have noticed that a lot of 80s and mid 80s Chrysler starters have a deeper sound and turn faster, if that means anything (I am overly observant of the small stuff).
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Re: Starter differences (not mini starter)
[Re: MoparJ]
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07/03/14 05:34 PM
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RapidRobert
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there are no silly questions only smart ass answers  . I had thought from way back something I read that the cases on /6 starters were reportedly shorter than V8 units & if so would have less torque tho as we know they all interchange & I ain't never had an original /6 starter in my hand to verify that or not
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Re: Starter differences (not mini starter)
[Re: RapidRobert]
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07/03/14 05:41 PM
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therocks
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Short is /6 typically.The long ones are supposed to be heavy duty.Rocky
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Re: Starter differences (not mini starter)
[Re: therocks]
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07/03/14 09:42 PM
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Quote:
Short is /6 typically.The long ones are supposed to be heavy duty.Rocky
correct, short LA starter is a LOW TORQUE /6 starter and often used for clearance issues with headers SB/BB engines.
this used to be the only option for running headers.
the long LA starters were HI TORQUE for SB/BB V-8 and some times with a good pair of headers would fit or a heat shield would be used with manifolds.
then came the mini race starter which was a copy of the denso starters on imports, then mopar switched over to the direct drive hi torque mini starters in the late 80s on production SB engines.
went from 27 pounds to 6 pounds and 3/4 the size with 2x more torque.
I still have a couple LA starters on the shelf but have swaped all trucks to the mini starters.. the 440 spins super fast with it.
BUT..I do miss the old LA starter whine on start up so I keep a low torque and a hi torque on hand just in case.
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Re: Starter differences (not mini starter)
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
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07/04/14 09:00 AM
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therocks
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Even the Minis have hi and low power starters.I use the 360 starters in any I do.Rocky
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Re: Starter differences (not mini starter)
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07/04/14 01:19 PM
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There are 3:1 and 2:1 gear reduction Mopar starters. Starters prior to 1974 (give or take) were typically of the 3:1 gear reduction type. With the introduction of electronic ignition, Mopar engineers discovered that the distributor needed to spin faster at startup to make starting easier. And this brought about the use of the 2:1 gear reduction starter. A lot of rebuilders do not really separate the two types and it is usually a crap shoot when getting a remanufactured starter. Most cases it doesn't really matter and nobody really minds.
There is not really a way to tell from the outside. Mopar made different 'strength' starters for heavy duty and other applications. These will look slightly different on the outside (HD ones are typically longer). What you would need to do to ID the gear ratio is to snap the cover off the gearset (bendix) and visually inspect.
The 3:1 Bendix gear is approximately 2" in dia. The 2:1 bendix gear is approximately 1.75" in dia.
Peter
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& I had no idea 
