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Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1628840
06/05/14 03:53 PM
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Don't be tempted by the big B1 intake you mentioned in the classifieds...it will KILL your lowend torque.






Besides that it's not going to even bolt to his 906's

Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: JohnRR] #1628841
06/05/14 03:58 PM
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IMHO the heads, while they may represent a lot of money, are the limiting factor. And the fact that we have no flowbench numbers leaves me really questioning them.

A decent flowing set of aluminum heads, with the additional compression ratio that they can accommodate, would make quite a difference even with the cam that's in it now.

Where'd you guys go with this? I'm thinking Indy EZs. I'm interested in some educated opinions.

R.

Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: dogdays] #1628842
06/05/14 05:17 PM
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I'm running 4:10 gears and a 30-inch 10.5 wide slick

I have not checked fuel pressure during a full run, just for shorter tests on the street (I do not have a fuel pressure gauge in the cockpit.

After my earlier post, I looked at the B1 and realized it was Max Wedge ports, so I wouldn't use that.

Once I get this combo dialed in and my 60-foot down, I'm thinking maybe a head change would be the next step for the engine. I'd also lose a bunch of weight off the front of the car, which would be nice. Would you agree the heads are the best next step? Since it's a street/strip car, I would prefer not to go crazy-big on the cam.

I have looked into the EZ heads a bit. They seem like a good way to go, although a little pricey. Even more with CNC porting. I guess they flow like 340ish with CNC? That's probably more than I need.

Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: 70Drop] #1628843
06/05/14 06:36 PM
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I am running a 440/505 ported stage iv head with 11.0 compression and solid cam with a tunnel ram.
My b body is 4065 pounds in street trim (the way I race it) and it has gone on 11:21 @ 120mph tippy toeing off the line with street tires. You need to sort your car out, you should be in the high ten’s.

Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: 70Drop] #1628844
06/05/14 06:56 PM
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I'm running 4:10 gears and a 30-inch 10.5 wide slick

I have not checked fuel pressure during a full run, just for shorter tests on the street (I do not have a fuel pressure gauge in the cockpit.

After my earlier post, I looked at the B1 and realized it was Max Wedge ports, so I wouldn't use that.

Once I get this combo dialed in and my 60-foot down, I'm thinking maybe a head change would be the next step for the engine. I'd also lose a bunch of weight off the front of the car, which would be nice. Would you agree the heads are the best next step? Since it's a street/strip car, I would prefer not to go crazy-big on the cam.

I have looked into the EZ heads a bit. They seem like a good way to go, although a little pricey. Even more with CNC porting. I guess they flow like 340ish with CNC? That's probably more than I need.



You can always slow it down but it is impossible to speed it up if you don’t have it. I always error on the side of making a little more power, that way you got it if you need to use it.

Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: ] #1628845
06/05/14 07:27 PM
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Anyone that works with Mopars on the dyno knows that 35 is not enough timing--that is at the point where a few more degrees means big leaps in HP usually--many like around 41 or so in my experience--now I know it all comes down to combustion chamber--piston top etc but 35 will not get it when seeking best power numbers in most cases




Now you did it. Don't you know that 36 to 38° is the only right timing for a BB Mopar. I read it so myself right here on this forum and a magazine.

Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: 70Drop] #1628846
06/05/14 07:51 PM
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I'm running 4:10 gears and a 30-inch 10.5 wide slick

I have not checked fuel pressure during a full run, just for shorter tests on the street (I do not have a fuel pressure gauge in the cockpit.

After my earlier post, I looked at the B1 and realized it was Max Wedge ports, so I wouldn't use that.

Once I get this combo dialed in and my 60-foot down, I'm thinking maybe a head change would be the next step for the engine. I'd also lose a bunch of weight off the front of the car, which would be nice. Would you agree the heads are the best next step? Since it's a street/strip car, I would prefer not to go crazy-big on the cam.

I have looked into the EZ heads a bit. They seem like a good way to go, although a little pricey. Even more with CNC porting. I guess they flow like 340ish with CNC? That's probably more than I need.




To be honest I dont think your heads are the choke..
you need a 1050 for the cubes.. but thats for a race
car... I dont know if you want to play with the fuel
on the street

Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1628847
06/05/14 08:00 PM
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To be honest I dont think your heads are the choke..
you need a 1050 for the cubes.. but thats for a race
car... I dont know if you want to play with the fuel
on the street





Hmmm. Maybe a six-pack?

Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: 70Drop] #1628848
06/05/14 08:08 PM
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NOPE!
6 packs will not work as well as a single four plus the your limited on an intake manifold.

Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: Biginchmopar] #1628849
06/05/14 09:42 PM
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How about a tunnel ram?

Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: 70Drop] #1628850
06/05/14 10:31 PM
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The engine is making 500+ HP at the crank, your just loosing alot through accessories, and drivetrain.
The time slip looks good compared to mine. I am running right at 120 MPH too, but in the 12.6 to 12.7 range. I haven't ran since I installed the spool in the rear axle, but I hope it helps my traction issues.

Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: 70Drop] #1628851
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To be honest I dont think your heads are the choke..
you need a 1050 for the cubes.. but thats for a race
car... I dont know if you want to play with the fuel
on the street





Hmmm. Maybe a six-pack?




Any engine I have thrown more carb at helped in power
but lets look at the math.. what did a stock 440
come with for carb.. 850... then do the percentage
of yours.. thats the minimum ... or if you want you
can put a vac gauge on the intake and see what you
have.. but I have found that the sooner that gauge
gets to zero the better.... IF it does... I havent
ever run a 6 pac but I have run tunnel rams but I
had bad carbs on them... I only run a DP now days

Re: Disappointment at the dyno [Re: Thumperdart] #1628852
06/06/14 12:44 AM
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Better heads and then a bigger cam...

You can hang a bunch of mismatched parts around a good set of heads and most of the time the engine will still run strong.

You can hang a bunch of good parts around a bad set of heads and you will end up with a slug.

A good set of heads that will feed the cid at your RPM range is everything.


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