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Payouts are going downhill.
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05/12/14 09:13 PM
05/12/14 09:13 PM
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Taylor, Michigan
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So I'm checking out the Mopar events this year, what is with the weak payouts? $65/$75 entry to win $1000? $50 to win $1000?
These aren't any better than normal bracket racing payouts. I thought specialty races were supposed to entice you with better than average payouts? Look at Norwalk, $30 entry, $1100 to win, Milan $45 entry, 1000-1200 to win (depending on car count). These are better deals, people!
We have a 2-day Mopar vs world race at Ubly, $155 for the weekend, 5k to win Sat and 2k to win Sun. Now, THAT'S enticing...
I know some races may have consolation prizes for one racer during a losing round, or racer bbq's, but as a serious racer, I'm looking at the payout, and that will determine how far I will be willing to drive to attend...if I'm not seeing something paying better than the typical local bracket race, I probably won't be traveling over 2 hours to get there. All Mopar or not...
I know everyone doesn't feel the same, some are just happy to race...that's fine. Serious racers (and maybe budget conscious racers) look at the big picture, payout vs expenses.
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Re: Payouts are going downhill.
[Re: sg66mopar]
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05/12/14 10:47 PM
05/12/14 10:47 PM
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Every day bracket races here in Oregon range from around $250 at the high end to almost $0 at the low end.
High dollar races are usually in the $500 range. Occasionally a few bucks more. Way more money to win a gamblers race.
I'm talking Super Pro or even Super Gas when they run it.
Just sayin'.
WOW.. they sure screw you guys... one of the cheapest
tracks around here pays out $600-$750 based on car count
and thats every weekend
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Re: Payouts are going downhill.
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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05/12/14 11:12 PM
05/12/14 11:12 PM
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US 131 here in West Michigan pays out 1200 to box and no box in its weekly bracket program, and a few times each season( like this coming weekend) 2000 to win. These payouts are set in stone no matter car count. Pat, you should come over this weekend, I am gonna spectate Saturday. They additionally have the Mopar event Sunday. Sure a lot of guys coming for that will spend the weekend. Be a treat to see ya... Been a little while 
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Re: Payouts are going downhill.
[Re: Blucuda413]
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05/13/14 12:15 AM
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Sorry but I have to laugh when I read posts like this. Are you really into drag racing for the money? MOPAR races are put on by MOPAR lovers at tracks they rent, rain or shine. Out of the entry monies and some sponsor money they pay rent, advertising, sometimes food, bands, round money, finalist money, and who knows what else. These guys aren't rich enough to own tracks so they rent them for the weekend. I know it cost 1000 dollars to prep the track surface before a single car makes a pass. Add insurance, taxes, ambulance coverage, payroll, and probably 50 other things I'm forgetting. The choice is yours to make. You can go and have fun with other MOPAR lovers, stay home and cut the grass, or maybe you are capable of putting a race together with big payouts. If you do don't forget to advertise and have a personality people like. 
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Re: Payouts are going downhill.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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05/13/14 12:23 AM
05/13/14 12:23 AM
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Sorry but I have to laugh when I read posts like this. Are you really into drag racing for the money? MOPAR races are put on by MOPAR lovers at tracks they rent, rain or shine. Out of the entry monies and some sponsor money they pay rent, advertising, sometimes food, bands, round money, finalist money, and who knows what else. These guys aren't rich enough to own tracks so they rent them for the weekend. I know it cost 1000 dollars to prep the track surface before a single car makes a pass. Add insurance, taxes, ambulance coverage, payroll, and probably 50 other things I'm forgetting. The choice is yours to make. You can go and have fun with other MOPAR lovers, stay home and cut the grass, or maybe you are capable of putting a race together with big payouts. If you do don't forget to advertise and have a personality people like.
I use to go to a lot of mopar races... but it nice
when someone has a nice payout... not a damn thing
wrong with that
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Re: Payouts are going downhill.
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#1619483
05/13/14 12:47 AM
05/13/14 12:47 AM
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Sorry but I have to laugh when I read posts like this. Are you really into drag racing for the money? MOPAR races are put on by MOPAR lovers at tracks they rent, rain or shine. Out of the entry monies and some sponsor money they pay rent, advertising, sometimes food, bands, round money, finalist money, and who knows what else. These guys aren't rich enough to own tracks so they rent them for the weekend. I know it cost 1000 dollars to prep the track surface before a single car makes a pass. Add insurance, taxes, ambulance coverage, payroll, and probably 50 other things I'm forgetting. The choice is yours to make. You can go and have fun with other MOPAR lovers, stay home and cut the grass, or maybe you are capable of putting a race together with big payouts. If you do don't forget to advertise and have a personality people like.
I use to go to a lot of mopar races... but it nice
when someone has a nice payout... not a damn thing
wrong with that
My feelings exactly...
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Re: Payouts are going downhill.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
#1619484
05/13/14 12:49 AM
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Sorry but I have to laugh when I read posts like this. Are you really into drag racing for the money? MOPAR races are put on by MOPAR lovers at tracks they rent, rain or shine. Out of the entry monies and some sponsor money they pay rent, advertising, sometimes food, bands, round money, finalist money, and who knows what else. These guys aren't rich enough to own tracks so they rent them for the weekend. I know it cost 1000 dollars to prep the track surface before a single car makes a pass. Add insurance, taxes, ambulance coverage, payroll, and probably 50 other things I'm forgetting. The choice is yours to make. You can go and have fun with other MOPAR lovers, stay home and cut the grass, or maybe you are capable of putting a race together with big payouts. If you do don't forget to advertise and have a personalitUy people like.
Pat( the OP) is one of the nicest people I have met in my entire life. I think most anybody who knows him would say the same thing. Him and his wife are first class folks.
He also isn't wealthy, and fortunately for him is an outstanding racer who is a threat to win any race he enters. When finances dictate you can only make it to certain races , it at that point becomes a best bang for the buck type of thing , when you are one of a handful of guys who expect to win every time you enter a race.
Wish I was that good, most of us aren't. But looking at it financially in this day and age isn't a bad thing, it just the reality of the economic times and knowing you have to be selective where you spend your money racing.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8
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Re: Payouts are going downhill.
[Re: slantzilla]
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05/13/14 05:09 AM
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And I am SURE Pat has spent a lot more then he has won racing. Pat is a Great person and I have talked to him at the track before. We all have spent more then we will ever get in return building, maintaining, and Enjoying our cars. It is Good to be able to race for a Good payout but that isn't my #1 concern.
I look for a Good surface, Safe, and Nice track and then all the other stuff comes next. Total cost to attend, entry, payout, gambler races, and friends attending the race.
If it isn't enjoyable then it is just like going to your inlaws. LOL
David
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Re: Payouts are going downhill.
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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05/13/14 08:29 AM
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Regardless of how good you are, you certainly get put on the trailer at more races than you go to the finals. So the "it doesn't pay enough" argument has never made much sense to me. Even if the race pays less to win than you would like.........that's probably more than it will make sitting in the shop.......just my thoughts.
This is a VERY common statement I hear from heads-up guys. They spend close to 100k to build a car and then complain the races "don't pay enough" to go........really??? So my next question is usually "exactly how many BIG races have you ever won"........the answer is usually none, so then I tell them that it doesn't matter what it pays then..........LOL!!!
Monte
THIS.
NSS pays $1500 to win. Street here pays $125 (pro/super at my local track pays 1000/2000 to win, guaranteed purse). I have just as much fun running my street car as I do running NSS. Just, with the traveling for NSS it is nice to come out ahead for the day if I win. When you spend a crap ton of money to build a car and only run it at the two big $$ races that come to your area each year, YOU are the one that loses because YOU don't see a return on the investment in the car. At the end of the day, this is something we do for fun, so why limit your ability to have fun?
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Re: Payouts are going downhill.
[Re: tboomer]
#1619492
05/13/14 11:03 AM
05/13/14 11:03 AM
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Park Forest, IL
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I used to do a lot of travelling racing at Mopar shows and some big bucks stuff. I changed jobs and just can't schedule the time off anymore. Plus, like everyone else travel expenses are just too much anymore.
I used to race the Slant 6 series which was about the most economical series you could run. I got tired of paying $60-75 to race for $200 which was the average payout. When the purses were higher it was because we brought our own money to race for. Low payouts/high entry fees killed car counts for us which drove payouts even lower. I also got tired of being anally abused by Blankenships. It just plain took all the fun out of it.
There really does have to be the carrot on the stick to attract the big car counts. Racers won't stand in line to run for nothing anymore.
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