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Re: Gas tank restoration
[Re: Morty426]
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05/01/14 12:58 AM
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astjp2
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You can get it in California, they use it in car restorations. Tim
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Re: Gas tank restoration
[Re: astjp2]
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05/01/14 12:56 PM
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1) Yes it's Terne plate 2) no you can't get it anymore (at least not anywere where there is an EPA or equivalent) 3) no, nobody restores them to as-new condition 4) Yes, the tank renew is a bandaid and only deals with the inside 5) ....yes, the best idea is to just go buy a new spectra and call it a day.  Dave
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Re: Gas tank restoration
[Re: DPelletier]
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05/01/14 05:45 PM
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Quote:
1) Yes it's Terne plate
2) no you can't get it anymore (at least not anywere where there is an EPA or equivalent)
3) no, nobody restores them to as-new condition
4) Yes, the tank renew is a bandaid and only deals with the inside
5) ....yes, the best idea is to just go buy a new spectra and call it a day.
Dave
Does anyone make new filler necks? Never checked Spectra for those...  
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Re: Gas tank restoration
[Re: astjp2]
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05/04/14 03:27 PM
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http://www.precisionsteel.com/coated-metals/tin-coated-steel
Tin plate and Terne plate are two different things. Terne plate (for the sake of this discussion) is steel with a 20% tin and 80% lead coating...it's the toxic lead that makes this stuff difficult/impossible to find domestically today.
There is a "Terne 2" plate which isn't terne plate at all, but rather the steel has a coating of Zinc and tin rather than lead and tin. This stuff is still available but it is NOT real terne plate and isn't what Mopar used back in the day.
...hope that helps,
Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
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Re: Gas tank restoration
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05/04/14 10:06 PM
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Re: Gas tank restoration
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05/04/14 11:40 PM
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1) Yes it's Terne plate
2) no you can't get it anymore (at least not anywere where there is an EPA or equivalent)
3) no, nobody restores them to as-new condition
4) Yes, the tank renew is a bandaid and only deals with the inside
5) ....yes, the best idea is to just go buy a new spectra and call it a day.
Dave
As a former sales rep for seel mills, I'll take bets that terne sheet, which is simply cold rolled steel hot dipped in tin/lead is still available. After all, Spectra of Canada is buying it from some steel mill to make...gas tanks! The coated sheet is hard to find in the market, because the mills want a relatively large minimum order, and steel service centers or warehousers mostly don't stock it due to very low demand.
Ni-terne is cold rolled steel sheet that is flash coated with nickel to increase adhesion of the tin/lead to the base metal. The nickel is only a few atoms thick.
Tin/lead is the same as solder. Solder is readily available, not a significant problem for the environment, and safe if used correctly.
You might could make minor solder repairs to a gas tank if there is relatively litle rust and only a few holes. I believe that radiator shops repaired gas tanks this way back in the day. Or you could remove exteior rust and paint it as mentioned above.
Or you could buy a new Spectra tank made with Ni-terne sheet and call it a day.
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Re: Gas tank restoration
[Re: kentj340]
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05/05/14 01:24 PM
05/05/14 01:24 PM
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Kelowna, B.C. Canada
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Quote:
1) Yes it's Terne plate
2) no you can't get it anymore (at least not anywere where there is an EPA or equivalent)
3) no, nobody restores them to as-new condition
4) Yes, the tank renew is a bandaid and only deals with the inside
5) ....yes, the best idea is to just go buy a new spectra and call it a day.
Dave
As a former sales rep for seel mills, I'll take bets that terne sheet, which is simply cold rolled steel hot dipped in tin/lead is still available. After all, Spectra of Canada is buying it from some steel mill to make...gas tanks! The coated sheet is hard to find in the market, because the mills want a relatively large minimum order, and steel service centers or warehousers mostly don't stock it due to very low demand.
Ni-terne is cold rolled steel sheet that is flash coated with nickel to increase adhesion of the tin/lead to the base metal. The nickel is only a few atoms thick.
Tin/lead is the same as solder. Solder is readily available, not a significant problem for the environment, and safe if used correctly.
You might could make minor solder repairs to a gas tank if there is relatively litle rust and only a few holes. I believe that radiator shops repaired gas tanks this way back in the day. Or you could remove exteior rust and paint it as mentioned above.
Or you could buy a new Spectra tank made with Ni-terne sheet and call it a day.
And as someone who has been in the sheetmetal business for 30 years, I'd agree; I'm sure they are still making REAL terne sheet oversees...but that isn't going to help anyone here unless they can stamp a gas tank out of it!
The point is that nobody in the US or Canada is going to Terne plate a tank for you.
And "Terne 2" or Ni-Terne isn't the same thing.
....I haven't bothered checking but I'd be very surprised if Spectra uses any lead in thier process at all. I'd bet that "Ni-Terne" is simply a nickel/tin alloy.
Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
[url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]
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Re: Gas tank restoration
[Re: Tropicalcats]
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05/05/14 07:00 PM
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Great info
So another option for me would be to have my tank alkaline dipped and clear coated.
Any thoughts
Any opinions on this?
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