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Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: bonefish] #1597767
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cam is installed at 106 as per the manufacturers recomendatiom.but it does rev kinda slow,it realy doesnt seem to come on till about 3000 or so.




Are you SURE... did you put it in... all the actions
tend to say its retarted.... or even the cam is
made wrong to the specs... by chance did you check
each lobe

Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: bonefish] #1597768
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First I would like to say Thank you Bonefish for the kind words about my car. Here is a pic of how my car sits as I just adjusted the torsion bars after I put SS springs on to have it sit how I like it. I use SS springs and the MP longer rear shocks. And up front its stock with 90/10 shocks. I use a Luppo Dynamic 9.5 conveter thats basically a street/strip conveter as it flashes about 4200 and drives great on the street. I use 30 x 9 Hoosier radial slicks with 4.30's that work ok for me. My 1/4 times are 10.70's @ almost 125 and my 1/8 is 6.83 @ 100 mph and thats capped up on pump. My best 60 is a 1.50 as I usually hit from 1.50 to 1.53 sixty times on the average. I see some are telling him to get a better converter company but I thought PTC were pretty good converters which I believe is what he uses ? Course it needs more stall speed. I agree you need to lower the rear as it is up there kinda high and it will help to lower it in the back. Have you run the 1/4 with the car as I dont seem to have seen any 1/4 times for your car ? Ron


Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: 383man] #1597769
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Here is one of my timeslips if you want to compare to your #'s. I am car 201. Ron


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Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: bonefish] #1597770
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Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: 383man] #1597771
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Here is one of my timeslips if you want to compare to your #'s. I am car 201. Ron





Bad Ass street car Ron
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Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1597772
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cam is installed at 106 as per the manufacturers recomendatiom.but it does rev kinda slow,it realy doesnt seem to come on till about 3000 or so.




Are you SURE... did you put it in... all the actions
tend to say its retarted.... or even the cam is
made wrong to the specs... by chance did you check
each lobe



yes i put it in and checked it several times but i will admitt im not real experienced.i did not check each lobe.but it is real lazy on the hit when i rev it.i installed a AF guage and its right about where it needs to be and gets a good shot from the carb.i tried slowin down the pump shot and it just made it worse.i never thought about the cam bein the prob but it kind feels like it could be.

Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: ChrgrCuda] #1597773
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Here is one of my timeslips if you want to compare to your #'s. I am car 201. Ron





Bad Ass street car Ron
One of the few cars that runs as good as it looks




Thank you. Looks like you have a pretty great running car yourself. Ron

Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: bonefish] #1597774
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It may have a nice AF ratio by the time you get to the 660 ,but I'd be willing to bet that it's pig rich for the first sixty.

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Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: bonefish] #1597775
03/24/14 10:06 PM
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cam is installed at 106 as per the manufacturers recomendatiom.but it does rev kinda slow,it realy doesnt seem to come on till about 3000 or so.




Are you SURE... did you put it in... all the actions
tend to say its retarted.... or even the cam is
made wrong to the specs... by chance did you check
each lobe



yes i put it in and checked it several times but i will admitt im not real experienced.i did not check each lobe.but it is real lazy on the hit when i rev it.i installed a AF guage and its right about where it needs to be and gets a good shot from the carb.i tried slowin down the pump shot and it just made it worse.i never thought about the cam bein the prob but it kind feels like it could be.




What carb cam color are you using and did you try
larger squirters

Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1597776
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cam is installed at 106 as per the manufacturers recomendatiom.but it does rev kinda slow,it realy doesnt seem to come on till about 3000 or so.




Are you SURE... did you put it in... all the actions
tend to say its retarted.... or even the cam is
made wrong to the specs... by chance did you check
each lobe



yes i put it in and checked it several times but i will admitt im not real experienced.i did not check each lobe.but it is real lazy on the hit when i rev it.i installed a AF guage and its right about where it needs to be and gets a good shot from the carb.i tried slowin down the pump shot and it just made it worse.i never thought about the cam bein the prob but it kind feels like it could be.




What carb cam color are you using and did you try
larger squirters



havnt done that ill have to order some.its got the standard pump cam that doms come with,cant remember the color but i can look tomorrow.

Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: bonefish] #1597777
03/24/14 10:30 PM
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PTC makes very good convertors and can loosen yours up if you think it is too tight. I went from a 9.5 in convertor to a 8 in when I had a 360/380 magnum crate motor in my D-50 and it picked up over 3 tenths in the 1/8.

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1.33 60 ft,6.21 at 110.59 in the 1/8, pump gas small block,2950lbs,drag radials,mufflers and driven to track ...
Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: 383man] #1597778
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Here is one of my timeslips if you want to compare to your #'s. I am car 201. Ron





Bad Ass street car Ron
One of the few cars that runs as good as it looks




Thank you. Looks like you have a pretty great running car yourself. Ron




Ron's car runs very well ET wise vs MPH. Why don't you compare the incremental splits between his 60-330 and 330-660 with your slip? This will give you an idea if your problem is all in 60ft or if it continues losing ground down track. I did this with my 64 which I believe is about .2 slower than it should be. I found my major problem to be 60-330.
Doug

Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: bonefish] #1597779
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cam is installed at 106 as per the manufacturers recomendatiom.but it does rev kinda slow,it realy doesnt seem to come on till about 3000 or so.




Are you SURE... did you put it in... all the actions
tend to say its retarted.... or even the cam is
made wrong to the specs... by chance did you check
each lobe



yes i put it in and checked it several times but i will admitt im not real experienced.i did not check each lobe.but it is real lazy on the hit when i rev it.i installed a AF guage and its right about where it needs to be and gets a good shot from the carb.i tried slowin down the pump shot and it just made it worse.i never thought about the cam bein the prob but it kind feels like it could be.




What carb cam color are you using and did you try
larger squirters



havnt done that ill have to order some.its got the standard pump cam that doms come with,cant remember the color but i can look tomorrow.




I really dont think thats your issue.. the stock
squirters should be fine... myself.. I think its
a cam issue thats dont making power down low in the
RPM range... I assume that your compression is what
you said it is... whats your cranking pressure

Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1597780
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cam is installed at 106 as per the manufacturers recomendatiom.but it does rev kinda slow,it realy doesnt seem to come on till about 3000 or so.




Are you SURE... did you put it in... all the actions
tend to say its retarted.... or even the cam is
made wrong to the specs... by chance did you check
each lobe



yes i put it in and checked it several times but i will admitt im not real experienced.i did not check each lobe.but it is real lazy on the hit when i rev it.i installed a AF guage and its right about where it needs to be and gets a good shot from the carb.i tried slowin down the pump shot and it just made it worse.i never thought about the cam bein the prob but it kind feels like it could be.




What carb cam color are you using and did you try
larger squirters



havnt done that ill have to order some.its got the standard pump cam that doms come with,cant remember the color but i can look tomorrow.




I really dont think thats your issue.. the stock
squirters should be fine... myself.. I think its
a cam issue thats dont making power down low in the
RPM range... I assume that your compression is what
you said it is... whats your cranking pressure



dont know but i can check.

Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: jnkgal] #1597781
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Just so you know, your fast 1.52 60ft. is acknowledged for your ET and MPH.

Your one slip was 10 MPH slower then the OP,s but yet you still netted a 1.52 60 ft. Its a example that should be noted. No reason to shy away.

Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: Sport440] #1597782
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Dont know about the motor but i would fit 2" lowering blocks, make sure your front is not binding anywhere and if you're running big block torsion bars, swap them out for 318 ones.
Have you tried different tyre pressures. I changed my slicks fron M/T to hoosier and the car wouldn't 60 ft less than 1.48, from advice here, i upped the pressure to 13 and it dropped to 1.43 straight away.
Mick


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best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: deaks] #1597783
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well, i checked my comp. with my guage.i could only do one cyl. on each side ,the headers make it almost impossible to get this hose on.with the throtle wide open i got 170 on each side.

Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: bonefish] #1597784
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well, i checked my comp. with my guage.i could only do one cyl. on each side ,the headers make it almost impossible to get this hose on.with the throtle wide open i got 170 on each side.




That doesnt sound bad for 10.4(I think thats what
you said) but I would have guessed a bit more...
that is defiantly pump gas friendly... but you need
to check all of them when you can... you could have
some low ones

Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1597785
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well, i checked my comp. with my guage.i could only do one cyl. on each side ,the headers make it almost impossible to get this hose on.with the throtle wide open i got 170 on each side.




That doesnt sound bad for 10.4(I think thats what
you said) but I would have guessed a bit more...
that is defiantly pump gas friendly... but you need
to check all of them when you can... you could have
some low ones



when Dwayne speced out this piston and cam that was our goal,pump gas freindly.

Re: 60 FT TIMES [Re: bonefish] #1597786
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im just wonderin if mabey this single plain manifold could be hurtin my low end a little.it looks like i got a combination of things to address.

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