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Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech #1558433 01/04/14 12:08 AM 01/04/14 12:08 AM
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44D6PAKCUDA OP top fuel 4 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,295 Land of 10,000 Lakes	What is the correct factory/assy line finish/plating on 1970-1 4 speed shifter mechanisms?I've seen NOS ones both silver-clear zinc and also phosphate.Thanks for any help.

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: 44D6PAKCUDA] #1558434 01/04/14 03:16 PM 01/04/14 03:16 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,938 California 1970mopar master
1970mopar master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,938 California	Jim, I believe it was actually a parkerize finish, but manganese phosphate is close. fwiw my NOS set is actually a grey phosphate I've never seen zinc on original 4spd rods (69-71) Edited, i went back and re-read your question. I had thought you were asking about the rods. not the shifter mech itself. I answered about the , rods. Shifter mechs are zinc plated as shown in examples below. Last edited by 1970mopar; 01/05/14 05:09 PM.

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: 44D6PAKCUDA] #1558435 01/04/14 05:24 PM 01/04/14 05:24 PM
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floyd master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,115 MD	Great question. I have an NOS one that looks like silver-clear zinc. I'll post some pics in a bit. A member posted a pic of his NOS one a while ago and it looked dark. Is that what parkerized looks like? I'll see if I can find that post.... I believe Moparts member ID "xs29j8" is the one who had the darker NOS shifter but I can't find the post. Maybe he will chime in. 7984842-IMG_7116.JPG (127 downloads)

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: floyd] #1558436 01/04/14 06:20 PM 01/04/14 06:20 PM
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Mr D21 mopar M Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 592 california	Both my NOS and the one restored by Jules is dark (phosphate color) finish - but I think your correct that Parkerized is the correct term for it.

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: floyd] #1558437 01/04/14 07:14 PM 01/04/14 07:14 PM
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floyd master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,115 MD	Box appears to have a date on it 126th day of 1969 7984977-IMG_7115.JPG (102 downloads)

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: floyd] #1558438 01/04/14 07:18 PM 01/04/14 07:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,115 MD floyd master
floyd master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,115 MD	What's the correct part number for a 70-71 E-body shifter mechanism BTW?

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: floyd] #1558439 01/04/14 07:21 PM 01/04/14 07:21 PM
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44D6PAKCUDA OP top fuel 4 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,295 Land of 10,000 Lakes	There would be 2 different numbers as the '70 had the slip in style and '71 was bolt in handle

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: 44D6PAKCUDA] #1558440 01/04/14 07:23 PM 01/04/14 07:23 PM
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floyd master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,115 MD	Jim - I'm no expert, but both my 71's came with the slip-in style shifter (one early build and one built in May 71). I'm not sure when they switched over to the bolt in.

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: 44D6PAKCUDA] #1558441 01/04/14 07:24 PM 01/04/14 07:24 PM
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Mr D21 mopar M Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 592 california	Floyd - the silver zinc look is what happens after all the original plating wears / rubs off...

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: Mr D21] #1558442 01/04/14 07:32 PM 01/04/14 07:32 PM
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floyd master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,115 MD	Quote: Floyd - the silver zinc look is what happens after all the original plating wears / rubs off... Bryon - I bought this a few years ago and have no idea how it was stored, but it appears to have spent its life in the box. Its hard to imagine the darker finish wearing off so evenly?

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: floyd] #1558443 01/04/14 08:24 PM 01/04/14 08:24 PM
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Mr D21 mopar M Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 592 california	someone may have attempted to clean it and sprayed carb or brake cleaner on it - that would give you the look yours has...

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: Mr D21] #1558444 01/04/14 08:54 PM 01/04/14 08:54 PM
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mopar346 Let me tell ya about fat chicks! M Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 11,836 Florida	Not NOS but relatively low mileage original just cleaned up, assembly is tight. 7985119-photo.JPG (139 downloads) Careful, your character's showing!

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: mopar346] #1558445 01/04/14 09:35 PM 01/04/14 09:35 PM
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mccannix master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,784 Ontario, Canada	...again "NOS" verses "assembly line" raises its' ugly head. I have seen them both ways in NOS as Jim explains. Years ago I had a case of 12 NOS and they were perfect phosphate. Some singles I have seen in NOS are like Floyds

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: mccannix] #1558446 01/04/14 09:41 PM 01/04/14 09:41 PM
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JRepucci master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,114 Sacramento,California	Another example. Original box rebuilt by Hurst. Rods and levers done by Pete's Restoration here in California. 7985159-hemicar025B.jpg (127 downloads)

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: floyd] #1558447 01/04/14 10:50 PM 01/04/14 10:50 PM
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44D6PAKCUDA OP top fuel 4 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,295 Land of 10,000 Lakes	Quote: Jim - I'm no expert, but both my 71's came with the slip-in style shifter (one early build and one built in May 71). I'm not sure when they switched over to the bolt in. I always thought they switched them over in '71 to the bolt in style because of the '70 slip in style "loosening" up.Once again,you never know.

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: 44D6PAKCUDA] #1558448 01/04/14 10:59 PM 01/04/14 10:59 PM
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ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	They built quite a few 71's with the 70 style slip in shifter. I have 2 used 70 style shifters here and they were clearly silver like the example on Jason's trans above. That said I would rule out black as a production possibility

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1558449 01/04/14 11:16 PM 01/04/14 11:16 PM
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mopar346 Let me tell ya about fat chicks! M Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 11,836 Florida	Not that it has any bearing but weren't aftermarket Hurst Comp Plus shifters black phosphate or appeared that way? Careful, your character's showing!

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: mopar346] #1558450 01/04/14 11:52 PM 01/04/14 11:52 PM
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YYZ master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,327 Toronto (YYZ) Ontario	FWIW of the '71s I've owned, the bayonet or push-in style shifter was used into Dec '70 of production

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: mccannix] #1558451 01/05/14 01:54 AM 01/05/14 01:54 AM
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hemicar1971 master H Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,108 Chicago Blackhawks	Quote: ...again "NOS" verses "assembly line" raises its' ugly head. I have seen them both ways in NOS as Jim explains. Years ago I had a case of 12 NOS and they were perfect phosphate. Some singles I have seen in NOS are like Floyds Still have one of those shifter mech that I bought of Mccannix maybe 20 years ago or more. Not sure if it is from the same box of shifters you are talking about. I will see if I can dig out all my shifters used and new and take some pictures of them since I do not run a factory shifter in the Challenger they are all sitting on the shelf in the basement the last time I looked a few years ago. 1971 HEMI E BODY REGISTRY

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: 44D6PAKCUDA] #1558452 01/05/14 03:18 AM 01/05/14 03:18 AM
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JRepucci master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,114 Sacramento,California	original finish... B body mech. 7985623-BHURST.jpg (118 downloads) Last edited by JRepucci; 01/05/14 03:19 AM.

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: JRepucci] #2894183 02/28/21 07:50 PM 02/28/21 07:50 PM
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ogopogo top fuel O Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,794 BC Canada	Any more thoughts on this? I`m doing my 71 cuda push in shifter now and the arms were def black phosphate but the shifter body I`m not so sure .Looks like it was either black phos or possible the same finish as rear drum backing plates.....

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: ogopogo] #2894309 03/01/21 10:07 AM 03/01/21 10:07 AM
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biggE top fuel Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,674 California	Originally Posted by ogopogo Any more thoughts on this? I`m doing my 71 cuda push in shifter now and the arms were def black phosphate but the shifter body I`m not so sure .Looks like it was either black phos or possible the same finish as rear drum backing plates..... Black Phosphate

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: biggE] #2894637 03/02/21 01:44 AM 03/02/21 01:44 AM
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ogopogo top fuel O Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,794 BC Canada	thanks,thats how i did mine,looks right....

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: ogopogo] #2895942 03/05/21 08:47 AM 03/05/21 08:47 AM
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FC7cuda super stock F Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,058 Dallas, Texas	I have NOS bolt in style and it's dark like phosphate. 68 Charger 70 Cuda

Re: Original Finish on Assy Line ' 70-1 4 Speed Shift Mech [Re: FC7cuda] #2895954 03/05/21 09:37 AM 03/05/21 09:37 AM
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dragon slayer pro stock D Joined: Jun 2014 Posts: 1,323 VA	But NOS product meant to be on a dealer shelve can have different spec for protective coating versus assembly line. Think Master Cylinder and lids. How many cars running around with plated disc brake MC lids because NOS came that way, when assembly line were painted black.

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