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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: rrbrucea]
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11/02/13 07:33 PM
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rrbrucea, I though you were done commenting, or did you delete that comment too? YOU had the opportunity to keep your mouth shut when this post was first put up but chose not to. By your own admission you had NO clue of the circumstances involved in the OP's problem with US Tool. Instead you quickly posted comments putting the OP's motives in question, and ranting on how great John has treated you, what does that have to do with the issues the OP is obviously having with John? You can sugar coat and dance around the facts all you want...we're not stupid here and you can speak in a foolish condescending tone all you want to try and divert the blame, it's clear what your motives were. That was a VERY classless thing to do and to continue to justify your actions is indefensible. The bottom line is YOU WERE WRONG in posting the things you did in an attempt to save your buddy's reputation and clearly showed your guilt by eliminating the evidence by deleting your posts. By your own admission this crook is a personal friend and client of yours. Your comments still seem to show you feel John did nothing wrong, I haven't seen any comment from you in support of the OP and his issues. You should follow your own advice and not make any more comments as there is NOTHING more you could possibly say in your defense except "I'm sorry for butting in where I didn't belong" to the OP. Your really doing your reputation and possible future business ventures more harm than good. 
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: rrbrucea]
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11/02/13 07:36 PM
11/02/13 07:36 PM
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It may be consolation to some to know that there will likely be financial consequences for me in this. I'm one of the few that is true for here... consider that as well.
It's 1%. So sorry for your loss.
NOT asking for sympathy. It is what it is.
Just give it a rest guy. Nobody will feel better if more people turn up losing money (including you). You jumped the gun sticking up for your buddy and backed off. Don't go back to digging. At this point the only person that can right this is John- who certainly is aware of this. And must not have the 13K to redeem himself.
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: 2boltmain]
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11/02/13 08:47 PM
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Sounds to me like a good business made a bad decision and needs to fix it.
I'm not sure what good pig piling on the friend that stuck up for him will do. 
He didn't just "Stick up for a friend" he belittled and was insulting to the OP. He questioned the OP motivation. Sticking up for a friend can be done without belittling the accuser.
I obviously didn't see that but still stand by pig piling on him will do no good fixing the real problem. 
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: MPerry]
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11/02/13 08:51 PM
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Sounds to me like a good business made a bad decision and needs to fix it.
I'm not sure what good pig piling on the friend that stuck up for him will do.
He didn't just "Stick up for a friend" he belittled and was insulting to the OP. He questioned the OP motivation. Sticking up for a friend can be done without belittling the accuser.
I obviously didn't see that but still stand by pig piling on him will do no good fixing the real problem.
I agree. Pig piling the OP solves nothing. 
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: RJS]
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11/02/13 09:09 PM
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I also have no stake in this but feel whole heartedly that the OP should be reimbursed along with the other 49 people that are involved in this scam.
I have never used US Car Tool or bought anything from them in my life. I and friends of mine were never impressed by what we saw at shows over the years at their displays.
Well maybe I should clarify that, I like the driveshaft loop and the frame connectors that they make/sell.
Any car whether it was a full or partial restoration looked so-so.
So after John makes this right (I hope) I personally could care less if he loses business from this, infact I hope he does.
Ron
I too hope he makes good to the OP and others but I never wish he has loss of business.
He has some interesting products that I would like to have, it's just they seem a little pricy. I do like his rear spring locator kit, I might buy one from him when I'm ready, if he's still in business.
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: B5 Bee]
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11/02/13 10:31 PM
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I thought it was called dog piling? When did it go to pig piling? Did it go from dog piling right to pig piling or was there other animal piling involved? Boy, am I out of the loop.
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
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11/02/13 11:08 PM
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I thought it was called dog piling?
When did it go to pig piling?
Did it go from dog piling right to pig piling or was there other animal piling involved?
Boy, am I out of the loop.
-Pig
-Dog
Aren't they the same?
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: B5 Bee]
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11/02/13 11:15 PM
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I thought it was called dog piling?
When did it go to pig piling?
Did it go from dog piling right to pig piling or was there other animal piling involved?
Boy, am I out of the loop.
-Pig
-Dog
Aren't they the same?
Maybe in China?
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Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
[Re: 2boltmain]
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11/03/13 02:20 AM
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Ok playing devils advocate isnt the real point here being missed, and that is that we only have one side of the story. So I find it interesting that some are solidly planting their feet in the ground and taking sides on this issue when we don't know if one or the other party is right in this situation or if neither is right. Sometimes parties just do not see eye to eye. Also we seem to be attacking each other in this post depending on the side taken. I dont think it is wrong of someone who may know one party or the other to say, hey I am familar with this person and believe they did the right thing. I would certainly speak up on behalf of my friends if I thought something I heard about them was out of character, however, I would also let them know what I heard so they might clear the air. However, again you never know until you walk in someone's shoes. So I have a sneaking feeling both parties may not have seen eye to eye on something. And considering there were supposedly 50 other victims out there, why have we not heard from any of them? Also how does the OP explain the email offering money back? The initial post said they were to work out a "alternate" deal and just wondering why the money was not taken or am I missing something, was the intent to get the money back or the trim ring?
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