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U.S. Car Tool " Scam"
Posted By: mitchell
U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/29/13 06:29 PM
I just wanted to see if anyone here is aware or was victim of U.S. Car Tool's scam.
Back in the summer of 2005 John Pasemann of U.S. Car Tool was offering a discount for advanced orders on a reproduction of the 1966/67 Charger deck lid medallion, needing 50 orders to help defray some of the upfront tooling costs.He posted on various forums all the details of the part and even had pictures of the mould he had made to make the outter ring, stating deliveries would come in the winter of 2005/ spring 2006. On 9/26/05 I gave John my credit card information and order one, soon after he posted that he had the 50 orders he needed to proceed. I called John back in the spring of 2006, he tolled me that he was delayed trying to find a chrome plater that could do the brushed finish.That summer at the Carlisle Mopar show U.S. Car Tool had a completed outter ring on display (it looked good).
Months later John informed me of a new problem finding someone that could do the plastic injection needed for the insert. Months later he told me no progess was made and that he could no longer tell me when I could expect to get this part.The next time I called John I asked him just to give me the outter ring and call it even, he agreed but never sent the part. Then he said he lost the mould, and then he found it and so on.
I have since asked for my money back. Now he does not returm my call oe Emails, the shop does not pick up my calls or hangs up on me when I tell them whats it about. At this point I don't expect to get my money back or U.S. Car Tool to fulfill their obligations.
Let this post serve as warning to anyone who wishes to do business with John Pasemann and/or U.S. Car Tool, DON'T DO IT !
Thanks,
Jim Mitchell
Posted By: 340SIX
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/29/13 06:56 PM
I have had nothing but good deals with John. Way back to when he lived up north and was working out his basement. In fact I have one of hos very first rotisseries.
Any Time I had a question he was on the phone picking it up, or called back asap.
Did you call talk with him lately?
Sounds like this deal was long ago and long forgotten. As in he may even know he owes you one or the $ back. Let us know how it works out
Posted By: kab69440
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/29/13 07:05 PM
I can't speak for the medallion issue but my subframe connectors arrived less than a week after being ordered. First rate seller in my book for that one.
Posted By: rrbrucea
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" *DELETED* - 10/29/13 08:42 PM
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Posted By: Supercuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/29/13 09:30 PM
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John is good people and I can say without hesitation that my Road Runner would NOT be up and running without their help. They have never been anything but straight up, honest, and wonderful to deal with, often times going far above and beyond. I've always had good dealings with John and his crew! 
Since you live in NC and US Car Tool is in NC.....
I will be in Raleigh all next week, but I don't think I'll have time to go to US Car Tool myself, there for work purposes.
Posted By: rrbrucea
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" *DELETED* - 10/29/13 09:40 PM
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Posted By: HMcCandless_Jr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/29/13 10:06 PM
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John is good people and I can say without hesitation that my Road Runner would NOT be up and running without their help. They have never been anything but straight up, honest, and wonderful to deal with, often times going far above and beyond. I've always had good dealings with John and his crew!
Kinda off topic, but I think a four speed legend fixed that Road Runner, 
, now John post on here quite a bit so I guess we will see what he says.
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/29/13 10:07 PM
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So it's hard for me to imagine the phone calls are going unanswered.
Yes, I know. One post wonder started the thread, then vanished like a fart in a windstorm.
Posted By: migsBIG
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/29/13 11:18 PM
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So it's hard for me to imagine the phone calls are going unanswered.
Yes, I know. One post wonder started the thread, then vanished like a fart in a windstorm.
Ummmm, he posted 3 hours ago, not months. Nobody sits and hovers orer a post to get their info, so ill give him some time to respond before making a decision. Still, 8 years is a long time to wait for a part that never arrived.
Posted By: Edison62
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/29/13 11:30 PM
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So it's hard for me to imagine the phone calls are going unanswered.
Yes, I know. One post wonder started the thread, then vanished like a fart in a windstorm.
Ummmm, he posted 3 hours ago, not months. Nobody sits and hovers over a post to get their info, so ill give him some time to respond before making a decision. Still, 8 years is a long time to wait for a part that never arrived.
I agree, but 8 years is also a long time to wait to bit$h about it. I'm always a bit skeptical about newly registered members that use their chance at making a first impression one like this. I have know people who have dealt w/John and have never heard anything neg before this.....
Just my 
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Bryan
Posted By: Challenger 1
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/29/13 11:39 PM
Your first post is this??
Why after 8 years?? You should have gone about it differently here, but I bet you don't care and won't be around here anyhow.
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 02:38 AM
Response to all.
Posting on this forum was suggested to me by somebody thinking it might help me locate the other 50 people this happened to, so that we could work together to get our money back. This may be my first posting but by no means is it my first attempt to get my money back. This has been going on for years, I just haven't given up yet.
I have contacted the Better Business Bureau and Consumer Protection Services of NC and neither one of the was able to get a response from John and/or U.S. Car Tool. They told me to try small claims but I think I would have to show up in court in person and living in NJ would make this hard to do.
My post is accurate and I can back it up.
I have my Master Card statement showing payment to U.S. Car Tool on 9/26/05 for $275.00.
I also made copies of some of Johns postings on other forums about taking orders, the delays, refunds etc... A lot of these postings can still be seen by searching on Google, but a lot are gone (like the one showing the picture of the mold).
My last response from John was on 3/22/12 he stated "no status change" and "project continues"
To all the people that had no problems with John Pasemann and/or U.S. Car Tool, I'm glad for you, but be aware. If you think I am wrong about John then prove me wrong. Ask him about this and you will find that everything I said is true.
Better yet why doesn't John respond himself.
Thanks,
Jim Mitchell
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 02:45 AM
All you gotta do is prove you never got the item.
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 03:07 AM
I don't even think John would try and say he sent me this part.
What I think happened was that he never got permission to use the Chrysler logos, so it would be against the law to sell them. I might be wrong, don't know for sure.
Thanks,
Jim
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 03:35 PM
Posted By: Triple Threat
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 04:46 PM
Sooooo can't you dispute the charge with your CC company and get the money back?
Posted By: HemiDart68
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 05:05 PM
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Sooooo can't you dispute the charge with your CC company and get the money back?
I dont think that is possible after 9 years.
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 05:11 PM
I waited to long ( 2 years ) before I realised he had no intentions of fulfilling his obligation. I trusted John, he strung me out by telling me of the problems he was having but promised he would get it done. In his last Email to me 3/22/12 he still say's he is working on it. John has not responded to me since than.
I will get my money back.
Posted By: jcc
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 05:49 PM
This entire affair is a bit odd. IMO regardless of the time frame, I agree you should get your money back, and its not clear until I hear the other sides story why, that hasn't happen, since we are talkin some change IMO, mainly because the bad press has no upside for the vendor.
And it hasn't risen to the level of "scam", yet.
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 06:07 PM
John took money from a least 50 other people, thats a scam.
You can still find some of there complaints about this, if you search Google.
I just want John / U.S Car Tool to do the right thing and pay us back.
Posted By: jcc
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 06:22 PM
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John took money from a least 50 other people, thats a scam.
You can still find some of there complaints about this, if you search Google.
I just want John / U.S Car Tool to do the right thing and pay us back.
You will get more assistance in this matter if you allow others to form their own opinion, you have stated yours clearly, some want to hear the other side, and THEN pass a verdict, in fairness.
Posted By: 340SIX
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 09:50 PM
Kinda looking at both sides from just one sides post:
John got 50 to commit for partial tooling cost.
In the Form of a deposit {probably non refundable}
Reason i say this is has he gotten deposits and then gave it back he would be out total cost.
And was not able to make the Item and recoup the cost you and he have.
It was a gamble on all parties parts. You also mention it may be illegal for him to sell them when made. So at this point the tooling is a loss to everyone involved.
I have no dog in this fight and am not siding with anyone.
Just what I read into what i have read so far from the Op and others.
Posted By: dOc !
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 10:09 PM
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Kinda looking at both sides from just one sides post:
John got 50 to commit for partial tooling cost.
In the Form of a deposit {probably non refundable}
Reason i say this is has he gotten deposits and then gave it back he would be out total cost.
And was not able to make the Item and recoup the cost you and he have.
It was a gamble on all parties parts. You also mention it may be illegal for him to sell them when made. So at this point the tooling is a loss to everyone involved.
I have no dog in this fight and am not siding with anyone.
Just what I read into what i have read so far from the Op and others.
SIXer .... Did someone boink you on the head or is it you have been huffing pink-paint-fumes .... ? 
Unless the OP was a "partner" in this project .... No way should he have to bear thè cost of this project .... 
Posted By: 340SIX
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/30/13 10:36 PM
Just pointing out do not rule out the fact that the deposit may have been non refundable! Anything is possible.
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 01:04 AM
Non refundable deposit ? At some point shouldn't I get something.
Thats like putting a deposit down on a used car and when you come back to pick it up the seller say's I'm not going to sell it to you and I'm keeping your deposit.
What a non refundable deposit is intended for is if I came back and said I don't want the car give me my deposit back, having possibly prevented him from selling it someone else.
Besides that, John called it a Pre order and always promised a refund if you wanted.
John Pasemann / U.S. Car Tool needs to do the right and honorable thing and pay back the people he took money from.
Thanks,
Jim
Posted By: dOc !
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 01:23 AM
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Just pointing out do not rule out the fact that the deposit may have been non refundable! Anything is possible.
The way I see this PINKster is typical of new production...this happened to me some years ago. I had some interest in a fiberglass dash for a E body but it all hinged on me getting a good usable oem part to make the mold. In putting the deal together I took deposits from 5 or so people but the person that promised the oem part never came through. THAT was not the problem and of course the fault of the people who gave the deposits ... so all monies were refunded.
Posted By: Hotwheelsjr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 02:15 AM
In this case a deposit is only non-refundable if the buyer backs out, not the seller. John should step up and refund all monies collected for this "project", unless he has a for sure date the tooling will be complete and a product can be delivered. Pretty straight forward from what I see.
Posted By: OzHemi
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 02:18 AM
I just can't believe it has gone on for 8 years.
Posted By: Hotwheelsjr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 02:19 AM
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I just can't believe it has gone on for 8 years.
Ya, that too. I would have been fed up after 1 year.
Posted By: OzHemi
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 02:21 AM
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I just can't believe it has gone on for 8 years.
Ya, that too. I would have been fed up after 1 year.
Ditto...would not have been put off for that long myself.
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 02:45 AM
At first John gave me updates of the progress, slow yet still progress. A year after I paid him I saw the part nearly complete (not yet chromed) at Carlisle. He strung me out long enough that my credit card company could no longer do anything about it. I tried to deal with John by asking for just a completed outer ring, which he said he could but never did.
I also tried Better Business Bureau and Consumer Affairs, but had no luck. He's got me and maybe 50 others.
I thought since so many people on this forum know oh him and U.S. Car Tool that I could shame him into giving us back our money.
If he gets away with it once what will prevent him from doing it again.
I repeat DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH JOHN PASEMANN AND/OR U.S. CAR TOOL.
Thanks,
Jim
Posted By: bigdad
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 02:53 AM
Hey Jim
Welcome to Moparts, sad that you found us for this reason ..
I want to apologize for those folks that want attack you when your looking for support
You have used a lot of patience looks like , and the guy who got your money should be ashamed of himself for putting you thru it ..
People forget that , sometimes builds take years and maybe you didn't need that part yet ..
so, at some point you hoped it would arrive
I sure hope someone tells him and he makes it right and returns your funds at very least
Good luck, keep us posted and post some pics of the project
Pictures really calm the people here
Posted By: SomeCarGuy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 03:24 AM
Ok John, let's get on with this.
Posted By: srt
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 04:36 AM
Wow, I'd like to hear John check in on this as well. Sometimes it's hard to stomach up to the bar and square up with customers.
In the google link mitchell posted it stated reams of contractural assurances.
So if this high quality chrysler licensed part had enough orders the tooling was going to be built.
Until John produces parts from the tooling he holds and sends parts he would appear to be in default. If he holds no tooling then those that paid a deposit appear due a refund.
Simple understandable contract that mitchell states has not been fulfilled.
I highly doubt anyone would risk litigation for slander and I think op has every reason to either expect a part or full refund.
I'm also
Posted By: Twostick
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 05:19 AM
So the plastic part is copyrighted and unsaleable but the bezel or whatever you want to call the chrome piece is not? Solution? Sell the bezels for the agreed upon price to the 50 and GIVE the plastic emblems away to each for free.
I don't think you are breaking copyright unless you sell something you don't have the rights to. If I'm wrong Chrysler can't get a cease and desist order until you actually do something anyway and by that time the 50 items get shipped, US Car Tool can say they're sorry and promise not to make anymore until they get them licensed.
Kevin
Posted By: Butterscotch71
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 07:22 AM
I had something very similar happen with a completely different auto part and vendor and this was over $400. When I gave them my credit card it was not made clear that it would be charged before the part would be manufactured and shipped. The vendor kept making promises that it was in the works and development was almost finished but nothing ever materialized. Of course there was always an excuse why it wasn't finished. I know they had in excess of 50 orders...you can do the math on how much money they scammed.
It was longer than 2 years, but a very helpful person at my CC company was able to reverse the charges by taking my last contact/promise of delivery from the vendor as the order date. You might try this route and see if it helps. Hopefully you have written correspondence within the last 2 years.
sorry for your experience....I hope you get your funds back with a "sorry"....on the other hand...I needed a set of headers for my dart project,and decided I wanted "pro-parts" headers.(a-body,big block),so I called bob mazzolini,and he told me if he could get a few fellows to put a deposit down,he would build 25 or so sets.so I sent a large partial payment to him,(never dealing with him ever) and he gave a idea when the headers would be ready..well pretty much on time,he called,saying they were ready,and I sent him the remander of the cost,and got the headers promptly.....this is a good model for a honest,well ran business! what the man said...HAPPENED!! thanks to bob,abd his "old school" business model...its called HONESTY!!...oh call him...1-(951) 787-8783..or
www.bobmazzoliniracing.com if you need any mopar parts,or some cool pro part headers....am I connected to bob?? no...just a happy guy from Michigan that got a good part from a honest seller!!!
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 02:43 PM
A post by John Pasemann of U.S. Car Tool offering a refund to those that want one.
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/66_67_dodge_chargers/conversations/messages/67478John, I want my refund like you said I could have!
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 03:12 PM
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I had something very similar happen with a completely different auto part and vendor and this was over $400. When I gave them my credit card it was not made clear that it would be charged before the part would be manufactured and shipped.
The LAW states how and when they have to ship/charge/whatever. The credit card issuing company may also have additional requirements. Learn them.
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre28.shtm
Posted By: mopargem
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 03:29 PM
This is one reason why I never committed with a deposit for the projected Challenger convertible rear interior panels. Months turn into years and in this case he got nothing.
Posted By: HMcCandless_Jr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 04:14 PM
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This is one reason why I never committed with a deposit for the projected Challenger convertible rear interior panels. Months turn into years and in this case he got nothing.
Who is making those panels?
Posted By: HMcCandless_Jr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" *DELETED* - 10/31/13 05:07 PM
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I received 4 emails the week of October 20th about US Car tool and issues with the company, I emailed John on October 24th about meeting him at the shop on Sunday 10-27 as I wanted to show him the email and ask about this, He chose to Terminate my employment 10-25 instead. Nothing surprises me anymore.
Herb Jr
And Mitchel wasn't one of the 4 so I guess that's 5
Sorry to hear that Herb.
Looks like he's taking the easy way out of the mess.
Posted By: max_maniac
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 05:18 PM
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I received 4 emails the week of October 20th about US Car tool and issues with the company, I emailed John on October 24th about meeting him at the shop on Sunday 10-27 as I wanted to show him the email and ask about this, He chose to Terminate my employment 10-25 instead. Nothing surprises me anymore.
Herb Jr
And Mitchel wasn't one of the 4 so I guess that's 5
Hmmmmm --- this is getting to be real interesting
Russ
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 10:30 PM
Now maybe some can understand why this has been going on for so long.
The silence is deafening.
No response from John Pasemann and/or U.S. Car Tool, just like the past attempts I made to get back the money they stole from me and 50 others.
Hoping that by ignoring it, it will go away.
But the only way this is going to go away is by is by doing the honorable thing and pay those whom you owe money to.
Then you can try and start to restore your reputation.
Thanks,
Jim
Posted By: jcc
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 11:03 PM
I hope for you the roles are never reversed here. All this over $50?. Anyway I have spoken to John once years ago and we had a difference opinion and it was handled maturely. I have seldom hesitated to speak my mind on US car tools in general when I felt there was a misrepresentation of their products. A search will clearly prove that. However there are IMo a few possible reasons a deadlock is reached in cases like this, and one or two them cannot be changed by all the name calling in the world. Since John has a long respectable business reputation with many here, I suspect there must be some serious causes for this impasse, and they are following not necessarily in order, merit or probability:
1. The OP has been a total jerk and poisoned the relationship fatally
2. John has every intention of meeting his commitments and is close to doing so, and has no new info to share which if he did would likely only open him to more harassment
3. He has personal/medical/etc issues in the works
4. He doesn't have the funds to refund, and pride in admitting so is an obstacle
5. He's a full blown crook that has figured out how to buy an off shore island on $50 mopar scams
6. Or some combination of the above.
Posted By: rrbrucea
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" *DELETED* - 10/31/13 11:27 PM
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Posted By: stumpy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 11:31 PM
If you read the OPs posts it wasn't $50 it was $275 times 50 people and that's well worth griping about.
Posted By: OzHemi
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 10/31/13 11:46 PM
Doesn't matter if it was $5 to me....it is the principle of the thing.
Posted By: calmopar
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 12:02 AM
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1. The OP has been a total jerk and poisoned the relationship fatally That's no excuse to keep his money
2. John has every intention of meeting his commitments and is close to doing so, and has no new info to share which if he did would likely only open him to more harassmentIt's been too long by any reasonable standard - a full refund is due immediately regardless of how 'close' he thinks he might be.
3. He has personal/medical/etc issues in the works Not the OP's problem, or anyone else's problem. Refund the money and *then* concentrate on your problems. This, by the way, is a much-abused excuse and is usually executed by scammers trying to drag out the process.
4. He doesn't have the funds to refund, and pride in admitting so is an obstacle Tough. Take out a loan and pay back what you owe. Sell some things.
5. He's a full blown crook that has figured out how to buy an off shore island on $50 mopar scamsThere's a lot more than $50 in play here. It doesn't take a full-blown crook to rip someone off. As a matter of fact, someone with a good reputation is far more able to do so (for a while, anyway)
6. Or some combination of the above.
This kind of 'activity' from a business turns my stomach.
Posted By: azmopar
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 12:06 AM
Posted By: RobG
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 12:17 AM
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Doesn't matter if it was $5 to me....it is the principle of the thing.
Exactly!
You take money and do not a deliver the goods . . . You are a crook. I would have never let this go 6 months. Waiting 8 years is crazy! This was a good small claims court case.
It looks like $13,750 can ruin a guy and his business ethics ($275x50)!
Posted By: bobby66
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 12:25 AM
A friend of mine showed me a really nice deck lid medallion serveral years ago. I wonder if it was one of these or if someone else was making them.
Posted By: cjs69mope
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 12:32 AM
This is upsetting , I had great Experience with the man.
This kind of stuff hurts more than the business its not good for our hobby!
Makes It hard for self starters to earn trust.
Posted By: brads70
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 12:47 AM
Sad to see this..... not something we need in our hobby.
I have bought a few chassis items off them with no issues?
Posted By: KillerBee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 12:54 AM
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1. The OP has been a total jerk and poisoned the relationship fatally That's no excuse to keep his money
2. John has every intention of meeting his commitments and is close to doing so, and has no new info to share which if he did would likely only open him to more harassmentIt's been too long by any reasonable standard - a full refund is due immediately regardless of how 'close' he thinks he might be.
3. He has personal/medical/etc issues in the works Not the OP's problem, or anyone else's problem. Refund the money and *then* concentrate on your problems. This, by the way, is a much-abused excuse and is usually executed by scammers trying to drag out the process.
4. He doesn't have the funds to refund, and pride in admitting so is an obstacle Tough. Take out a loan and pay back what you owe. Sell some things.
5. He's a full blown crook that has figured out how to buy an off shore island on $50 mopar scamsThere's a lot more than $50 in play here. It doesn't take a full-blown crook to rip someone off. As a matter of fact, someone with a good reputation is far more able to do so #for a while, anyway#
6. Or some combination of the above.
This kind of 'activity' from a business turns my stomach.
There is absolutely NO excuse, even after Jules passed away his family is making an effort to refund the money and/or parts to those people he was doing business with.
For those in the US Car Tool Fan Club why don't you pony up the cash so the people who got ripped off can get their money back before they declare bankruptcy and screw a lot more people over, I hope nobody has their beloved car being restored there.
Posted By: jcc
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 01:46 AM
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1. The OP has been a total jerk and poisoned the relationship fatally That's no excuse to keep his moneyI agree, but being a jerk dosen't speed things up or get the phone answered
2. John has every intention of meeting his commitments and is close to doing so, and has no new info to share which if he did would likely only open him to more harassmentIt's been too long by any reasonable standard - a full refund is due immediately regardless of how 'close' he thinks he might be. However the OP should bear the same cross, I mean he waited years to start this process, and I have already replies ago clearly stated his money should be returned
3. He has personal/medical/etc issues in the works Not the OP's problem, or anyone else's problem. Refund the money and *then* concentrate on your problems. This, by the way, is a much-abused excuse and is usually executed by scammers trying to drag out the process. Well it may not be HIS problem, but when you deal with people, their problems effect them and indirectly those around them, like it or not, and yes scammers use it, because it an easy way to falsely gain sympathy, and I'll reserve judgement on that, for time being
4. He doesn't have the funds to refund, and pride in admitting so is an obstacle Tough. Take out a loan and pay back what you owe. Sell some things. Tough? Ouch, taking out loans for people in financial straights is a non sequitor, and sell some things? Maybe like DS safety loops?
5. He's a full blown crook that has figured out how to buy an off shore island on $50 mopar scamsThere's a lot more than $50 in play here. It doesn't take a full-blown crook to rip someone off. As a matter of fact, someone with a good reputation is far more able to do so (for a while, anyway) So his "good reputation" was an illusion after all these years to pull off this stunning scam?
6. Or some combination of the above.
This kind of 'activity' from a business turns my stomach.
Ah heck, everything is cut and dry, black and white, getting all the facts just makes it harder to figure out, make him walk the plank. Besides, whats a few more years at this point. 
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 01:51 AM
How do I respond to someone who thinks like this?
You stated in another post that you wanted to wait to here from the other side before making a verdict, then you make excuses for him, so much for being fair. Even if every excuse you gave is true the fact is I gave John Pasemann of U.S. Car Tool $275.00 and have nothing to show for it 8 years later. Even a Total Jerk doesn't deserve this.
I tried the mature thing with John, it didn't work. I offered to accept things at a lesser cost, it didn't work. Nothing has worked for me. So know I'm trying public humiliation,
and so for it's not working either. But I will never stop trying until I get my money back.
I'm sorry if the truth hurts anyone but this did happen to me. On going in an other post on this site people are discussing their opinions about PG Classics good and bad. Thats what these forums are for, read the facts make you own decisions. I don't care if you want to continue and do business with John and U.S. Car Tool, but a least I can say I warned you.
I wished someone back then warned me.
I just want my money back!
Thanks,
Jim
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 01:55 AM
B/E & A sells them.
Posted By: crocha617
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 01:59 AM
I guarantee John must know about this thread by now. He hasn't showed up to defend himself. Why??? I'm thinking guilty. $13750 is alot of cash to cough up after you think you're in the clear after 8 years.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 02:07 AM
Are there any of the "other 50" that are out monies, or is it just mitchell? Where are they?
Posted By: RobG
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 03:11 AM
Quote:
How do I respond to someone who thinks like this?
You stated in another post that you wanted to wait to here from the other side before making a verdict, then you make excuses for him, so much for being fair. Even if every excuse you gave is true the fact is I gave John Pasemann of U.S. Car Tool $275.00 and have nothing to show for it 8 years later. Even a Total Jerk doesn't deserve this.
I tried the mature thing with John, it didn't work. I offered to accept things at a lesser cost, it didn't work. Nothing has worked for me. So know I'm trying public humiliation,
and so for it's not working either. But I will never stop trying until I get my money back.
I'm sorry if the truth hurts anyone but this did happen to me. On going in an other post on this site people are discussing their opinions about PG Classics good and bad. Thats what these forums are for, read the facts make you own decisions. I don't care if you want to continue and do business with John and U.S. Car Tool, but a least I can say I warned you.
I wished someone back then warned me.
I just want my money back!
Thanks,
Jim
Take an advertisement out in his local paper asking him to repay you. Better yet, contact the local NC news station and tell them you need assistance getting your money back.
The internet can reveal many things about a person. Local city records and websites like Zaba search can give you great information on a person. 
Posted By: jglen490
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 03:16 AM
The NC BBB shows one complaint against him. Not saying that wasn't one complaint with 50 complainants, but that's all the complaints the BBB shows. Perhaps no one else actually saw fit to use the BBB as a channel, but out of 50+ possible, just one. I've never had any dealings with the company, so I don't have a dog in this fight, just pointing out what I saw.
Posted By: SomeCarGuy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 03:35 AM
Did I read that right, somebody got fired for asking him about this?
Op should take his case to the kangaroo court over on Yellow Bullet. Those guys can be like pitbulls when a car guy gets taken.
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 04:15 AM
The thing that bugs me the most is that I feel I'm the only this happened to.
Searching the links I attached you will find about 9 - 10 people posting there complaints one of which said that he got his money back. Tried to contact them but this forum seems to be dead or out dated.
I am the one that called the Better Business Bureau and the consumer affairs, they both said they had no complaints in regards to this matter, he even has a 100% rating on Ebay.
I don't know where the other 50 are. If there was more or less than 50? Don't know?
Maybe everyone but me got there money back? Don't know?
I spoke to John alot on the phone we never had a fight or anything, but he never made any progress. Asked him to send me just the outer ring and he said he could do that, but never did. Once I asked for a refund he became very aloof with me.
His last response to me was by Email 3/22/12 stating still working on it, I will communicate when I have news.
This is my first time posting to any Forum ever. Maybe I have gone about this wrong. Don't care anymore. It's been over 8 years, someone else sells this part now, I'm tired, I just want my money back.
To those who think I'm being to tough on John, In my mind I feel he's winning. If he pays me back I will let everyone know, so that you can form your opinions.
Thanks,
Jim
Posted By: screamindriver
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 04:22 AM
Quote:
The NC BBB shows one complaint against him. Not saying that wasn't one complaint with 50 complainants, but that's all the complaints the BBB shows. Perhaps no one else actually saw fit to use the BBB as a channel, but out of 50+ possible, just one. I've never had any dealings with the company, so I don't have a dog in this fight, just pointing out what I saw.
The BBB needs a better system...And you can't use it to really gauge a company...You do know it's a private business service like carfax don't you ???...Trouble is this private service want's money from a business for a "privilege" just to post and defend against a complaint...10,000 good transactions never get a response but one complaint will get you an "F" rating if you don't play by their rules.... I know too many good business owners who've been run through the scam and their "ratings"....
Posted By: 64Post
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 04:27 AM
Damm, ever notice how many views a “rip off” thread generates?
Just goes to show how much we all love blood in the water.
Posted By: rrbrucea
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" *DELETED* - 11/01/13 01:14 PM
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Posted By: migsBIG
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 01:39 PM
bummer, I was going to order the chassie stiffening package they had for christmas, but if they are giving you probs over $275, I'd hate to see what my experience with customer service is if I have a problem. If they don't fix the problem, guess I'm not likely to make a purchase then.
Did I read the correctly, they fired a guy just for asking about a pass due customer refund? And who is to say they didn't get more than 50 for the initial buy-in, could have been 100 for all we know. At that same time this was going on, didn't they get new equipment for their shop? I hope they get this resolved soon, I would like to support a company that has better customer service than what I have read about.
Posted By: rrbrucea
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" *DELETED* - 11/01/13 01:42 PM
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Posted By: burdar
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 01:50 PM
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I received 4 emails the week of October 20th about US Car tool and issues with the company, I emailed John on October 24th about meeting him at the shop on Sunday 10-27 as I wanted to show him the email and ask about this, He chose to Terminate my employment 10-25 instead. Nothing surprises me anymore.
Herb Jr
And Mitchel wasn't one of the 4 so I guess that's 5
Posted By: Hotwheelsjr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 01:50 PM
Quote:
Quote:
Did I read the correctly, they fired a guy just for asking about a pass due customer refund?
Read my reply above, NOBODY got fired over this issue...
It wasn't "just" this issue, but...
Quote:
I received 4 emails the week of October 20th about US Car tool and issues with the company, I emailed John on October 24th about meeting him at the shop on Sunday 10-27 as I wanted to show him the email and ask about this, He chose to Terminate my employment 10-25 instead. Nothing surprises me anymore.
Herb Jr
And Mitchel wasn't one of the 4 so I guess that's 5
Posted By: HMcCandless_Jr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 01:58 PM
To Clarify, I didn't tell anyone why I wanted to meet, just that I wanted to meet on Sunday to discuss a few things.
One thing that cant be lied about here, money paid, delivery dates, and work completed.
Posted By: HMcCandless_Jr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 02:06 PM
rrbrucea your car was in the shop and you are US Car's graphic guy and that's fine, but just remember there are 3 sides of every story, the plaintiff, the defendant, and the truth allies in the middle somewhere, Unless the defendant doesn't tell his side at that point there is one side only.
I hate there are any problems because at the end of the day US Car Tool makes some good products, Chris is a great fabricator, yes there are some issues but not with quality mostly delivery dates on new products, I will not post on here again, but quit being johns mouthpiece, you live in the same town, he works on your car, we all can see whats going on.
Posted By: rrbrucea
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" *DELETED* - 11/01/13 02:18 PM
Post deleted by rrbrucea
Posted By: HMcCandless_Jr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 04:07 PM
I spoke to Mitchel, I think he will delete this thread if he gets his money back. Is it worth refunding him to make this problem go away?
Posted By: OzHemi
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 04:10 PM
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I spoke to Mitchel, I think he will delete this thread if he gets his money back. Is it worth refunding him to make this problem go away?
This thread should stay as to let other people know just what has happened. If he does get his money back, obviously that would be said but at least let other people know what companies they need to be wary of handing money over too, especially if the company does not want to seem to even let everyone know if there is even another side to the story. All though after all these years have gone by, I can't imagine what it could be that would make a difference.
Posted By: burdar
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 04:30 PM
There is no way for him to delete this thread anyway. It will just delete his first post. All the others will remain. Only a mod can make a thread disappear.
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 07:38 PM
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I just wanted to see if anyone here is aware or was victim of U.S. Car Tool's scam.
Back in the summer of 2005 John Pasemann of U.S. Car Tool was offering a discount for advanced orders on a reproduction of the 1966/67 Charger deck lid medallion, needing 50 orders to help defray some of the upfront tooling costs.He posted on various forums all the details of the part and even had pictures of the mould he had made to make the outter ring, stating deliveries would come in the winter of 2005/ spring 2006. On 9/26/05 I gave John my credit card information and order one, soon after he posted that he had the 50 orders he needed to proceed. I called John back in the spring of 2006, he tolled me that he was delayed trying to find a chrome plater that could do the brushed finish.That summer at the Carlisle Mopar show U.S. Car Tool had a completed outter ring on display (it looked good).
Months later John informed me of a new problem finding someone that could do the plastic injection needed for the insert. Months later he told me no progess was made and that he could no longer tell me when I could expect to get this part.The next time I called John I asked him just to give me the outter ring and call it even, he agreed but never sent the part. Then he said he lost the mould, and then he found it and so on.
I have since asked for my money back. Now he does not returm my call oe Emails, the shop does not pick up my calls or hangs up on me when I tell them whats it about. At this point I don't expect to get my money back or U.S. Car Tool to fulfill their obligations.
Let this post serve as warning to anyone who wishes to do business with John Pasemann and/or U.S. Car Tool, DON'T DO IT !
Thanks,
Jim Mitchell
quoting the original post so it can;t be deleted.
Fraud is fraud and to be honest after all this time if what the OP claims is true, and it appears it might be, then no one deserves slack on this.
While Mitchell may one day get his money back and be "satisfied" (though I doubt he will now ever be so) there are still 49 others out there that may be wonder when they are going to get their item or their money.
So, in the interest of keep the info available to those other I quoted the original post.
Posted By: SomeCarGuy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 08:38 PM
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Did I read that right, somebody got fired for asking him about this?
No, you did NOT read that right... nobody was fired over this issue.
The posts since then indicate otherwise. You are playing reputation defender at this point. Sounds like this John guy has some explaining to do. I might just link this up on the Bullet myself since minions are in play. 
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 08:47 PM
I think this won't go away. Not even if he refunds everyone as well it shouldn't
What other scam has he done that has not come to light like this?
I'm not into the 66-7 Charger but I bet in the last eight years I've met or know who posesses a medalion to copy.
10-12 years ago I sent a guy some money on a repro dashpad & rear side panels for the interior for my Challenger that I restored
I sent him one good panel for a mold & when he couldn't complete the deal he contacted me & gave me all my cash back plus $200 for my time & trouble as well as my good panel back
That is good business
John being a sponsor here as well a member should have already addressed this problem if he were actually on the up & up
We know some members here will defend another who done this same type of thing to the tune of $50 per person just like they are defending US Car tool's actions ( that person had claims going back to the 90's)
The OP came here for support & was basically called a liar
My feeling is he came for help & to alert us of the situation & the actions regarding such
It is also my feeling that if the OP was lying there would be post disputing such from the one being accused & a bunch of his followers would jump in on the whooping.
Posted By: KillerBee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/01/13 11:56 PM
rrbrucea
How interesting you deleted all your posts
That's BS that when the OP originally posted here you were one of the first to jump all over him calling his honesty into question.
You continued with all the comments about all your good dealings with US Tools and how honest they are but you conveniently left out the fact that you have a business relationship with them.
Once that little fact came to light it was obvious what your motivation was.
I'm SURE you were treated with white gloves when your buddy John worked on your cars.
Might be a different story when the customer sends money from a distance hoping he was dealing with an honest buisness....
As the post went on you continued to post false statements.
Kudos to Mr. Mcandless for stating the facts about his employment with US Tool and your working relationship with them.
You were right in stating in your final deleted post that you should not have commented on this post.
Personally I think before you erase your tracks and head back to your corner you need to man up and give the OP an apology..... YOU WERE WRONG and to be honest you did a great deal of damage to John and US Tool's reputation.
I purchased a driveshaft loop from John for my Challenger a number of years ago and I think it's a quality part that fits great.....I actually need a couple more but I'm not sure if I'm gonna give him my business again or not.
Posted By: Fig
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 12:46 AM
I just got the ok from the war department to spend some money, I did a search to see who has a good leaf spring relocation kit. U.S. Car Tool has some great looking stuff.
I don't need the headaches dealing with a possible scamming problem. Now, I have to find another vendor. Anyone suggestions?
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 01:09 AM
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rrbrucea
How interesting you deleted all your posts
That's BS that when the OP originally posted here you were one of the first to jump all over him calling his honesty into question.
You continued with all the comments about all your good dealings with US Tools and how honest they are but you conveniently left out the fact that you have a business relationship with them.
Once that little fact came to light it was obvious what your motivation was.
I'm SURE you were treated with white gloves when your buddy John worked on your cars.
Might be a different story when the customer sends money from a distance hoping he was dealing with an honest buisness....
As the post went on you continued to post false statements.
Kudos to Mr. Mcandless for stating the facts about his employment with US Tool and your working relationship with them.
You were right in stating in your final deleted post that you should not have commented on this post.
Personally I think before you erase your tracks and head back to your corner you need to man up and give the OP an apology..... YOU WERE WRONG and to be honest you did a great deal of damage to John and US Tool's reputation.
Don't hold your breath for the apology although it is due
Wait till this spreads to the other sites!
Posted By: migsBIG
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 01:10 AM
Depends on what application your doing. Cass aka Dr Diff has a few nice ones. I have one, nice quality, need a few more items before I install it on my car.
In the new products sections, US Car Tool had an add for bolt in subframe connectors, and they went and deleted all their postings?
Posted By: rdagw
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 01:24 AM
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Depends on what application your doing. Cass aka Dr Diff has a few nice ones. I have one, nice quality, need a few more items before I install it on my car.
In the new products sections, US Car Tool had an add for bolt in subframe connectors, and they went and deleted all their postings?
Best thing they could of done.
Posted By: KillerBee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 01:29 AM
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Quote:
rrbrucea
How interesting you deleted all your posts
That's BS that when the OP originally posted here you were one of the first to jump all over him calling his honesty into question.
You continued with all the comments about all your good dealings with US Tools and how honest they are but you conveniently left out the fact that you have a business relationship with them.
Once that little fact came to light it was obvious what your motivation was.
I'm SURE you were treated with white gloves when your buddy John worked on your cars.
Might be a different story when the customer sends money from a distance hoping he was dealing with an honest buisness....
As the post went on you continued to post false statements.
Kudos to Mr. Mcandless for stating the facts about his employment with US Tool and your working relationship with them.
You were right in stating in your final deleted post that you should not have commented on this post.
Personally I think before you erase your tracks and head back to your corner you need to man up and give the OP an apology..... YOU WERE WRONG and to be honest you did a great deal of damage to John and US Tool's reputation.
Don't hold your breath for the apology although it is due
Wait till this spreads to the other sites!
Ya I doubt the apology will happen but I'm sure John is working on those 50 or so refunds....I heard he hired a new employee with refund experience.
Posted By: Rebellion
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 01:45 AM
Hi folks,
I used to post here occasionally (years ago), but since it was rare, let my membership lapse. I registered tonight to address this thread.
I too, paid John for the decklid medallion, at the 2005 Mopar Nationals. In the ensuing years I tried a couple of times to see where he was at with this project or receive a refund. I've never even received the courtesy of a reply.
I'll grant you that waiting this out for so long has been a mistake, but my experience with his rotisserie project taught me that things don't necessarily move quickly there, and this is a more involved project.
I'm not trying to stir the pot here...just stating the facts.
For the record, I like John. I'm not attempting to sully his reputation.
If someone wishes to contact me, that's fine.
Tom
Posted By: Fig
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 01:48 AM
Quote:
Depends on what application your doing. Cass aka Dr Diff has a few nice ones. I have one, nice quality, need a few more items before I install it on my car.
In the new products sections, US Car Tool had an add for bolt in subframe connectors, and they went and deleted all their postings?
Thanks, I'll get ahold of the good Doctor!
Posted By: 64Post
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 01:54 AM
Quote:
I just got the ok from the war department to spend some money, I did a search to see who has a good leaf spring relocation kit. U.S. Car Tool has some great looking stuff.
I don't need the headaches dealing with a possible scamming problem. Now, I have to find another vendor. Anyone suggestions?
Another vote for Cass/Dr.Diff… Great rep and solid, timely service
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 01:58 AM
I found these names people posted with, when they were complaining to John about this matter.
Ken Westerlund
Steve dodgeman_69
Charles Petry
Terry H
Terrin Hoover
Roland Kruijer
Ken Melhorn
Sarge
Ward in NJ ( as called out by John)
Jim Rose (posted that John gave him his money back)
Maybe some of you might remember seeing these name and can let them know about this. I am going to start searching other forums and see if any come up.
For all I know they may have already gotten there money back?
Thanks,
Jim
Posted By: moparmojo
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 01:59 AM
I don't have a horse in this race so I don't know who is in the right and who isn't, as we only have half the story. On the one hand the poster said he asked for his money back, on the other it appears US Car Tool may have offered people their money back in an email that was posted...from 2009? So who knows. But I can comment on the BBB as I deal with them on a daily basis. First, the BBB does not decide who is right or who is wrong. They simply want to verify that both parties are working to resolve an issue. When a complaint comes in they will notify the business and ask that they respond in a certain timeframe, usually 10 days. Most responsible businesses will respond in that timeframe with a review or resolution to the issue. My company responds directly to the complainant to avoid reliving the issue public ally, however some businesses choose to post directly to th BBB website. However I think that is a bit unprofessional, however the BBB doesn't care which path you take as long as you are trying to fairly work with the complainant. Some complaints results in the persons favor and some times it doesnt. What I can tell you is that we have a AAA rating and going to the BBB or other agency does not sway our position. So in response to the original issue it is concerning that the BBB failed to receive a response from the company. Therefore they gave an F rating. At the very least the BBB expected a response even if it was not favorable.
Bought SFC and torque boxes from U.S. Car Tool. Great service ,fast shipping,nice quality parts
Posted By: jcc
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 03:30 AM
"The OP came here for support & was basically called a liar"
IMO its comments like the above that make this a feeding frenzy, unfortunately I can't review/refer to all the recently deleted replies, but i pretty sure NO ONE called anybody a liar, implications don't count as they are very subjective. That is a pretty serious accusation to be tossing around without some solid proof. Some seem to take stock in we have only heard one side, others don't seem to care, and EVERYBODY agrees the money should be returned, but everybody is divided so far on whether there should a stake burning or a lynching. And anybody who thinks I am a fan of US Tools is totally clueless.
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 03:47 AM
I don't think anyone claimed lies, more like healthy skepticism, initially. First post on the site was the start of this thread.
Since that first post things have come to light that are very interesting.
Posted By: HMcCandless_Jr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 07:43 AM
I wish everyone would do the right thing and let this go away, this is no good for anyone. BUT I know the original posters next step all I have to say is get the popcorn. John or Chris mail this guy a check and admit you made a mistake. And Chris and John were made aware of this thread the minute it went up by another poster.
Posted By: gdonovan
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 11:33 AM
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I wish everyone would do the right thing and let this go away, this is no good for anyone. BUT I know the original posters next step all I have to say is get the popcorn. John or Chris mail this guy a check and admit you made a mistake. And Chris and John were made aware of this thread the minute it went up by another poster.
People make mistakes, it is in our nature. What separates the good from the bad is how they are cleaned up.
I suspect there are a number of people who are not going to do business with U.S. Car Tool in the future based on this incident and the lack of follow through. To take the money and not make good on a promise and then ignore it is bad mojo.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 03:09 PM
Quote:
"The OP came here for support & was basically called a liar"
IMO its comments like the above that make this a feeding frenzy, unfortunately I can't review/refer to all the recently deleted replies, but i pretty sure NO ONE called anybody a liar, implications don't count as they are very subjective. That is a pretty serious accusation to be tossing around without some solid proof. Some seem to take stock in we have only heard one side, others don't seem to care, and EVERYBODY agrees the money should be returned, but everybody is divided so far on whether there should a stake burning or a lynching. And anybody who thinks I am a fan of US Tools is totally clueless.
When the OP had his credibility attacked over his claim with the remarks & insinuations that were made to him then basically he was called a liar
I don't how well you understand the english language but words have meanings comprised of other words.
Now when you group enough statements together they form a meaning also
This is called IMPLICATION
Now do you understand the statement "basically called a liar"?
Hell, most thought this was over $50
That's how much people read into this
Apparently you didn't read it that well either
Posted By: QuickBpBp
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 03:33 PM
Wow I can't believe people are taking the scammers side. I feel sorry for the OP sure 8 years is along time but last I checked there is no statue of limitations on fraud. I guess everyone that could use an extra $13k or so this is excellent respectable way to do so with-in the mopar community....After all it was ONLY 50 people.
I have read worse for 2 people getting ripped off. John has obviously read this post and choses to ignore the fact he needs to make this right to everyone who fronted him money. So I would say it's fair for those who do not have their head up his azz to ignore his products/services until things are made right.
Posted By: rdagw
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 04:10 PM
One more bad thing is he advertizes here. What will this do to Moparts reputation,letting bad sponsors in? I think he needs to come on in here and explain this problem. Just my take on this.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 04:24 PM
The clique here doesn't like replies like yours & others like it
You see a bunch of people who jumped on the whooping wagon have jumped off it
Posted By: 74fish
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 04:42 PM
Goes to show you that sometimes everything is not as it seems. I bought several items from U.S. Car Tool. Good parts great service but if the OP never brought this to our attention we would'nt have known. Has it happened before ? Don't know ... I'm surprised at what people will take as a loss because it becomes TOO much hassle to get your money back. This just makes it easier to let this happen again.
No matter what amount of money is due. HE IS DUE THE FULL AMOUNT!!! At the very least the customer deserves communication ..... especially on something like this.
The OP sounds like he has tried everything and U.S. Ccar Tool is trying to ignore.
I applaud
him for posting and putting up with all the hassle and scrutiny associated with going up against an established business. He did the right thing posting on here and wherever else he feels the need to. On something like this these forums (especially Moparts) are like having your day in court. Unfortunately US Car Tool hasn't shown up.
Posted By: KillerBee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 04:42 PM
Well I found a nice looking driveshaft loop for about $100 bucks LESS than US Tool is getting so now I can get the 2
I need for the price of 1, they have them for A body guys too.
.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/B-Mopar-Drivesha...tr#ht_194wt_914
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 05:14 PM
Quote:
I wish everyone would do the right thing and let this go away, this is no good for anyone. BUT I know the original posters next step all I have to say is get the popcorn. John or Chris mail this guy a check and admit you made a mistake. And Chris and John were made aware of this thread the minute it went up by another poster.
Herb, I bet this won't go away until all the checks are written
All 49 of them
13K from 50 people is not a mistake
It is a felony when you don't provide service
Kinda like a ponzi scheme
Intentions may have been good when the money was received but refusal to answer phones & emails when business is conducted in this way is a blatant implication of intent to defraud
To advocate for one person to get his money back is wrong also ,it should be for all to get their money back.
All that I can see is that those who are in business with Us Car Tool will be hurt to a certain extent. (Guilt by association,birds of a feather)
Posted By: Twostick
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 05:27 PM
There is an old saying in commerce: Equity compels performance.
Kevin
Posted By: held1823
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 05:36 PM
this thread needs to be stickied until the vendor explains why this happened. it may be his sole transgression, but his silence is doing more harm to his reputation than the thread comments ever could.
ignoring it until it goes away is totally unacceptable, as removing it validates his actions.
Posted By: rdagw
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 05:46 PM
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 06:23 PM
It needs to be stickied & copied/pasted on other Mopar sites
As another reply asked "how do we know this is the only incident" or something to that effect.
We don't but if others know what is going on then maybe we can find out
I've been lied to on delivery dates never ripped off by them
They're on the bottom of my vendor list because of this just like LMC
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 07:23 PM
rrbrucea deleted all his comments? WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP. easy to tell who is spooning with the owner of US Car Tool. I despise any business taking money from hard working trusting people....and those who stick up for the criminal and marginalize the victim are no better.
Posted By: rrbrucea
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 08:06 PM
Quote:
rrbrucea deleted all his comments? WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP. easy to tell who is spooning with the owner of US Car Tool. I despise any business taking money from hard working trusting people....and those who stick up for the criminal and marginalize the victim are no better.
Alright, that's enough... For the record, the FIRST thing I did when I saw this post was email John and Chris:
"You guys might want to address this!
Bruce Oct 29 at 3:38 PM
To: john@uscartool.com chris@uscartool.com
[url=https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7904856&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD"]https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...gonew=1#UNREAD"[/url]
Notice the time there, 3:38. The moment I saw this... As Herb Jr. has mentioned, I was the poster who originally contacted John... Then I came on here at 3:42 PM (5 minutes later) and posted a statement about John, who I regard as a friend:
"John is good people and I can say without hesitation that my Road Runner would NOT be up and running without their help. They have never been anything but straight up, honest, and wonderful to deal with, often times going far above and beyond. I've always had good dealings with John and his crew!"
I did what I think a lot of you would do, speak well of a friend. Notice I did NOT call the OP a LIAR as I have since been accused of doing. Notice the FIRST thing I did was to email John in hopes (evidently a naive hope on my part) that he would address this issue and resolve it. As he SHOULD. Notice also there were several others who were HARDER on the OP than I was.
Since then I have been accused of 1) being a "fan boy", 2) being a "minion", and 3) "making further FALSE statements". Little wonder I got sick of being SEEN as John's mouthpiece. So yeah, when it became apparent to me that John was NOT going to address this issue as I hoped, in disgust, I deleted all my posts.
As for me being US Car Tool's graphics guy, as has been implied, I guess you could say that, but it makes it sound like I WORK for Car Tool. I do not. I have a regular job as art director for a direct mail company. I have a side business that many of you are probably familiar with and do freelance graphic design and automotive art. That side business accounts for probably 10% of my income and Car Tool may account for 10% of that 10%. Not a LARGE amount, but yes, that's my "business connection" with Car Tool other than considering John a friend.
As for making further "false statements", I can only assume what was being referred to was Herb McCandless Jr's firing by John. I did NOT make a false statement there and if you read what Herb Jr. himself posted he confirmed that I did NOT make a false statement. He said he had contacted John 10/24 about a meeting on Sunday 10/27 but did NOT disclose to John what the meeting was going to be about. John terminated his employ on 10/25 in conjunction with the termination of another employee. My understanding is that those two terminations were related. And it was NOT related to the issue the OP raised although that WAS AMONG the issues Herb Jr. wanted to discuss. But the caveat there is I only have an OUTSIDERS understanding of the terminations.
So, I am probably MORE disappointed than ANY on here that John has not resolved this issue, and I am DISGUSTED that I get tarred with the same brush. But it is what it is. I am fully aware that this is a NO WIN situation for me. I'll be lambasted now here regardless.
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 08:25 PM
rrbrucea you could have and should have voiced your opinion in a manner that did not marginalize or call into question the integrity of the OPs claim. Its an incredibly helpless feeling being the little guy getting screwed by a business.In this case the business had a great rep for selling great products. Sometimes a business will choose to just brush off a customer (in this case not refund them) because these 1 2 or 3 unhappy customers will not hurt their bottom line. Some companies- even a small ones have the resources legally to screw over the working man should things go to court. The way you went to bat for US Car Tool just screamed "I don't give a crap about you wanting your hard earned money back"
Ive been a customer who was 100% in the right but brushed off by a business. Its a negative angering experience.
Posted By: rrbrucea
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 08:33 PM
Quote:
The way you went to bat for US Car Tool just screamed "I don't give a crap about you wanting your hard earned money back"
I can see why you might respond that way, but NO, that is NOT true. I first contacted Car Tool in the belief that John would do the right thing. You have to understand the sum of my experiences with John to know why I would expect a different reaction than what we've seen.
But you can believe what you like. We have ALL been in the OP's shoes, myself included.
Secondly, if I ever encounter a complaint with a customer in my own business the FIRST words out of my mouth are: "would you like a refund?"
But as I said, I know this is a no win for me, and it is what it is...
Posted By: Fig
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 08:36 PM
Quote:
Quote:
rrbrucea deleted all his comments? WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP. easy to tell who is spooning with the owner of US Car Tool. I despise any business taking money from hard working trusting people....and those who stick up for the criminal and marginalize the victim are no better.
Alright, that's enough... For the record, the FIRST thing I did when I saw this post was email John and Chris:
"You guys might want to address this!
Bruce Oct 29 at 3:38 PM
To: john@uscartool.com chris@uscartool.com
[url=https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7904856&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD"]https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...gonew=1#UNREAD"[/url]
Notice the time there, 3:38. The moment I saw this... As Herb Jr. has mentioned, I was the poster who originally contacted John... Then I came on here at 3:42 PM (5 minutes later) and posted a statement about John, who I regard as a friend:
"John is good people and I can say without hesitation that my Road Runner would NOT be up and running without their help. They have never been anything but straight up, honest, and wonderful to deal with, often times going far above and beyond. I've always had good dealings with John and his crew!"
I did what I think a lot of you would do, speak well of a friend. Notice I did NOT call the OP a LIAR as I have since been accused of doing. Notice the FIRST thing I did was to email John in hopes (evidently a naive hope on my part) that he would address this issue and resolve it. As he SHOULD. Notice also there were several others who were HARDER on the OP than I was.
Since then I have been accused of 1) being a "fan boy", 2) being a "minion", and 3) "making further FALSE statements". Little wonder I got sick of being SEEN as John's mouthpiece. So yeah, when it became apparent to me that John was NOT going to address this issue as I hoped, in disgust, I deleted all my posts.
As for me being US Car Tool's graphics guy, as has been implied, I guess you could say that, but it makes it sound like I WORK for Car Tool. I do not. I have a regular job as art director for a direct mail company. I have a side business that many of you are probably familiar with and do freelance graphic design and automotive art. That side business accounts for probably 10% of my income and Car Tool may account for 10% of that 10%. Not a LARGE amount, but yes, that's my "business connection" with Car Tool other than considering John a friend.
As for making further "false statements", I can only assume what was being referred to was Herb McCandless Jr's firing by John. I did NOT make a false statement there and if you read what Herb Jr. himself posted he confirmed that I did NOT make a false statement. He said he had contacted John 10/24 about a meeting on Sunday 10/27 but did NOT disclose to John what the meeting was going to be about. John terminated his employ on 10/25 in conjunction with the termination of another employee. My understanding is that those two terminations were related. And it was NOT related to the issue the OP raised although that WAS AMONG the issues Herb Jr. wanted to discuss. But the caveat there is I only have an OUTSIDERS understanding of the terminations.
So, I am probably MORE disappointed than ANY on here that John has not resolved this issue, and I am DISGUSTED that I get tarred with the same brush. But it is what it is. I am fully aware that this is a NO WIN situation for me. I'll be lambasted now here regardless.
Thanks for trying to help the original OP. Your post helps the OP, showing that John at U.S. Car Tool is dodging him. I hope he makes it right. It sucks when there are so few Mopar vendors, (and he has always been highly regarded) and we may lose one for fear of getting screwed.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 08:58 PM
When you question a man's integrity you are basically calling him a liar
That's what you & others did.
Just because you didn't use the word doesn't mean that it wasn't implied
I'm well educated & the replies that you made put you in the shoes of the names you were called
If John is such a good friend to you then maybe he will listen to you on this subject that you inserted yourself into & figured out that you were wrong
Why don't you admit it instead of trying to attack those who called you out for it.
Posted By: rrbrucea
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 09:32 PM
It may be consolation to some to know that there will likely be financial consequences for me in this. I'm one of the few that is true for here... consider that as well.
Posted By: SomeCarGuy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 09:46 PM
Quote:
It may be consolation to some to know that there will likely be financial consequences for me in this. I'm one of the few that is true for here... consider that as well.
It's 1%. So sorry for your loss.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 09:48 PM
I respect you & believe that you are here for the truth & well being of the hobby
I myself have been guilty of standing up for someone only to be wrong
I don't like to see anyone lose $$$$ but if you stand up for what is right then your not losing because you will gain more in the end just by doing right
Posted By: rrbrucea
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 09:55 PM
Quote:
Quote:
It may be consolation to some to know that there will likely be financial consequences for me in this. I'm one of the few that is true for here... consider that as well.
It's 1%. So sorry for your loss.
NOT asking for sympathy. It is what it is.
Posted By: MPerry
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 10:16 PM
Sounds to me like a good business made a bad decision and needs to fix it.
I'm not sure what good pig piling on the friend that stuck up for him will do.
Posted By: rrbrucea
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 10:18 PM
Quote:
Sounds to me like a good business made a bad decision and needs to fix it.
I'm not sure what good pig piling on the friend that stuck up for him will do.
Thank you!
Posted By: KillerBee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 11:33 PM
rrbrucea,
I though you were done commenting, or did you delete that comment too?
YOU had the opportunity to keep your mouth shut when this post was first put up but chose not to.
By your own admission you had NO clue of the circumstances involved in the OP's problem with US Tool.
Instead you quickly posted comments putting the OP's motives in question, and ranting on how great John has treated you, what does that have to do with the issues the OP is obviously having with John?
You can sugar coat and dance around the facts all you want...we're not stupid here and you can speak in a foolish condescending tone all you want to try and divert the blame, it's clear what your motives were.
That was a VERY classless thing to do and to continue to justify your actions is indefensible.
The bottom line is YOU WERE WRONG in posting the things you did in an attempt to save your buddy's reputation and clearly showed your guilt by eliminating the evidence by deleting your posts.
By your own admission this crook is a personal friend and client of yours.
Your comments still seem to show you feel John did nothing wrong, I haven't seen any comment from you in support of the OP and his issues.
You should follow your own advice and not make any more comments as there is NOTHING more you could possibly say in your defense except "I'm sorry for butting in where I didn't belong" to the OP.
Your really doing your reputation and possible future business ventures more harm than good.
Posted By: SomeCarGuy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 11:36 PM
Quote:
Quote:
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It may be consolation to some to know that there will likely be financial consequences for me in this. I'm one of the few that is true for here... consider that as well.
It's 1%. So sorry for your loss.
NOT asking for sympathy. It is what it is.
Just give it a rest guy. Nobody will feel better if more people turn up losing money (including you). You jumped the gun sticking up for your buddy and backed off. Don't go back to digging. At this point the only person that can right this is John- who certainly is aware of this. And must not have the 13K to redeem himself.
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/02/13 11:45 PM
Quote:
Sounds to me like a good business made a bad decision and needs to fix it.
I'm not sure what good pig piling on the friend that stuck up for him will do.
He didn't just "Stick up for a friend" he belittled and was insulting to the OP. He questioned the OP motivation. Sticking up for a friend can be done without belittling the accuser.
Posted By: RJS
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 12:01 AM
I also have no stake in this but feel whole heartedly that the OP should be reimbursed along with the other 49 people that are involved in this scam.
I have never used US Car Tool or bought anything from them in my life. I and friends of mine were never impressed by what we saw at shows over the years at their displays.
Well maybe I should clarify that, I like the driveshaft loop and the frame connectors that they make/sell.
Any car whether it was a full or partial restoration looked so-so.
So after John makes this right (I hope) I personally could care less if he loses business from this, infact I hope he does.
Ron
Posted By: MPerry
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 12:47 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Sounds to me like a good business made a bad decision and needs to fix it.
I'm not sure what good pig piling on the friend that stuck up for him will do.
He didn't just "Stick up for a friend" he belittled and was insulting to the OP. He questioned the OP motivation. Sticking up for a friend can be done without belittling the accuser.
I obviously didn't see that but still stand by pig piling on him will do no good fixing the real problem. 
Posted By: SomeCarGuy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 12:51 AM
Quote:
Quote:
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Sounds to me like a good business made a bad decision and needs to fix it.
I'm not sure what good pig piling on the friend that stuck up for him will do.
He didn't just "Stick up for a friend" he belittled and was insulting to the OP. He questioned the OP motivation. Sticking up for a friend can be done without belittling the accuser.
I obviously didn't see that but still stand by pig piling on him will do no good fixing the real problem.
I agree. Pig piling the OP solves nothing.
Posted By: B5 Bee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 01:09 AM
Quote:
I also have no stake in this but feel whole heartedly that the OP should be reimbursed along with the other 49 people that are involved in this scam.
I have never used US Car Tool or bought anything from them in my life. I and friends of mine were never impressed by what we saw at shows over the years at their displays.
Well maybe I should clarify that, I like the driveshaft loop and the frame connectors that they make/sell.
Any car whether it was a full or partial restoration looked so-so.
So after John makes this right (I hope) I personally could care less if he loses business from this, infact I hope he does.
Ron
I too hope he makes good to the OP and others but I never wish he has loss of business.
He has some interesting products that I would like to have, it's just they seem a little pricy. I do like his rear spring locator kit, I might buy one from him when I'm ready, if he's still in business.
Posted By: 64Post
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 02:31 AM
I thought it was called dog piling?
When did it go to pig piling?
Did it go from dog piling right to pig piling or was there other animal piling involved?
Boy, am I out of the loop.
Posted By: MPerry
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 03:03 AM
A dog pile is what you try not to step on!
I've always known it as a pig pile.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pigpile
Posted By: B5 Bee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 03:08 AM
Quote:
I thought it was called dog piling?
When did it go to pig piling?
Did it go from dog piling right to pig piling or was there other animal piling involved?
Boy, am I out of the loop.
-Pig
-Dog
Aren't they the same?
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 03:14 AM
Bruce wasn't the only one who whooped on the OP
He is the only one to retract his statements however after learning all of the details
The others haven't posted since figuring out they are a small group
The first post excuse is a bunch of BS too
They jumped in with Bruce & then run to let him catch the heat when they figured out they were in the wrong
I wasn't on him about the whooping I was on all of them
Bruce was the only one with the nuts to admit that he made a mistake
So whoop on the rest for not having the nuts to admit their mistake
Bob
Posted By: 64Post
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 03:15 AM
Quote:
Quote:
I thought it was called dog piling?
When did it go to pig piling?
Did it go from dog piling right to pig piling or was there other animal piling involved?
Boy, am I out of the loop.
-Pig
-Dog
Aren't they the same?
Maybe in China?
Posted By: stumpy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 03:32 AM
Posted By: chapdog105
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 04:13 AM
I've personally had nothing but excellent experiences with John and Chris at US Car Tool. He supports this site, and doesn't have a reputation for scamming people in the Mopar community.
It looks like this is a complex situation, several years in the making. I'm sure that John will make it right with the people that paid for the parts. If this thread ignites that process, so be it.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I personally can't believe that he "scammed" 50 people over an 8 year period and it never hit Moparts. Maybe he's still working on it, or working on a reimbursement plan.
Based on my personal experiences with him, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But then again, it's not my $275....
Posted By: moparmojo
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 06:20 AM
Ok playing devils advocate isnt the real point here being missed, and that is that we only have one side of the story. So I find it interesting that some are solidly planting their feet in the ground and taking sides on this issue when we don't know if one or the other party is right in this situation or if neither is right. Sometimes parties just do not see eye to eye. Also we seem to be attacking each other in this post depending on the side taken. I dont think it is wrong of someone who may know one party or the other to say, hey I am familar with this person and believe they did the right thing. I would certainly speak up on behalf of my friends if I thought something I heard about them was out of character, however, I would also let them know what I heard so they might clear the air. However, again you never know until you walk in someone's shoes. So I have a sneaking feeling both parties may not have seen eye to eye on something. And considering there were supposedly 50 other victims out there, why have we not heard from any of them? Also how does the OP explain the email offering money back? The initial post said they were to work out a "alternate" deal and just wondering why the money was not taken or am I missing something, was the intent to get the money back or the trim ring?
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 06:59 AM
Did you read everything before the deletes & edits?
John is a vendor here as well as a member & knew of this thread right after it was posted & never addressed it
Apparently he blew off those who spoke with him about it.
We heard from one of the other 49 who said that he had been repaid
Either way whether they (OP & John) apparently had come to an agreement for parts instead of $$$ the OP still didn't get what he was due
The OP came here to get an answer from John after emails & calls got ignored
Most accused don't ignore but jump to attention when being falsely accused
Posted By: Michael
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 07:18 AM
I wonder if CW is still working there.
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 07:22 AM
From a post in another forum Jim Rose stated he got his money back.
I don't know if Tom (Rebellion) who posted in this thread got his money back.
In an other forum there are about 10 other people who had this problem.
I am searching for them now in other forum (like 66-67charger.com).
Maybe they got there money back or something in exchange, Don't Know Yet?
I offered sending me just a completed outer ring (which he said he could do but never did). I knew he was having problems with the red insert, which I could get elsewhere, so just the ring would have been fine. But its to late for that or exchanges now, I just want my money.
Posted By: held1823
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 08:24 AM
it makes no difference if fifty people lost their money, or if it was just a single one. it is wrong, PERIOD.
it makes no difference if the vendor and the customer see eye to eye. money was collected, and nothing was delivered. it is wrong, PERIOD.
in a courtroom, how would the judge rule if the defendant (us car tool in this instance) didn't show up? it would be game, set, and match - plaintiff.
Posted By: Rebellion
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 01:45 PM
To address Jim's question as to whether or not I've gotten my money back, no I have not. After I posted here on Friday, I sent an email off to John yet again (it had been quite awhile since I had done so), so far no reply. It is the weekend, however.
I've chatted with John at the Nationals a few different times over the years and personally got along with him just fine. He seems like a straight up guy. This is one of the reasons that I let this ride so long. There are other reasons as well. Once again, my mistake.
I want to thank Jim for bringing this issue to the fore, as this situation has bothered me for some time.
Tom
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 04:33 PM
Jim,Tom, There are members here who would rather see this swept under the rug like you guys don't even exist(the 50) they also condoned another Mopar vendor's taking $50 from who knows how many people( there were more than 50 members here that were taken)
This is not the practice of the majority here
Posted By: I_bleed_MOPAR
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 04:45 PM
I have no dog in this fight but am sorry to hear about the OPs and the other 49 or so having this problem. It does our hobby no good for dirty laundry to have to be aired out in public.
This situation should have been resolved long ago, IMHO.
And I also agree that dog-piling (what we call it around here- maybe it's a regional thing?
) helps no one.
I would probably have done the same thing had it been my friend until I found out my "friend" would blow me off also.
Tim
Posted By: 68KillerBee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 04:48 PM
Quote:
Jim,Tom, There are members here who would rather see this swept under the rug like you guys don't even exist(the 50) they also condoned another Mopar vendor's taking $50 from who knows how many people( there were more than 50 members here that were taken)
This is not the practice of the majority here
Dude, leave the thread. Bit of a drama queen are we? I usually stay out of this, but it is ridiculous how some are calling out good standing members because they stuck up for a "friend". Tell me you wouldn't do the same. Being that this is one of the biggest Mopar sites, I see why the OP came here and posted. But we all know how many times a random person signs up just to stir stuff up. Under our names it says when we registered for a reason. No, I didn't read the deleted comments and I don't really care to. I see why so many good members leave this site, so much knowledge is lost.
NOBODY here thinks what has happened is okay. Even if some originally sided with us car tool, they now see the true character come out of the people who run that place and are with the peopled who got screwed. That 13K not returned will cost US Car Tool a lot more money now because of this being brought to light. The smart thing would be to pay up, but even then it is probably too late.
For all of you too dense to understand what I'm saying above, I'm with the new guy and here is even a 
for him.
Side note: Maybe we can use penguin-piling. 
Posted By: old_goat
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 05:06 PM
I am not involved in this, and as was previously stated, we are only hearing one side of the story.
In my experience, if a seller is honest, the seller is honest. The sellers actions will tell all eventually.
I had a seller on here fake his death, but in the end I got my parts.
If a dead man can send parts, an honest seller will return money, if money is due.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 05:30 PM
Dude, you're not of any authority here so stick in your -/;)&@"
I'll post what I feel & when I feel it within the rules of this site if you don't like it then lump it
People leave the site because of people like you who try to put others down or whoop on them
You passed me once on 70 I saw you coming
All my girls & I with our thumbs out the window & waving
I know you saw my CrewCab but yet you didn't even acknowledge the girls
That to me is a testament of your personality & demeanor
Posted By: hemirdrnnr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 05:58 PM
I hope this all gets resolved, I just can't understand why US Cartool hasn't even tried to come on and try to give an explanation. I too have bought parts from them and was treated well. I hope it works out for the folks who put money into the part.
ROLL TIDE ROLL Bullet!!!!!!
"There is more action on here than in Afghanistan where I am" Ha how about a soldier Graemlin?
Posted By: 68KillerBee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 06:08 PM
Quote:
Dude, you're not of any authority here so stick in your -/;)&@"
People leave the site because of people like you who try to put others down or whoop on them
That to me is a testament of your personality & demeanor
And that response a testament of yours. I rarely post on here, but I read daily. 144 responses in the thread and 12 are yours lol. Add some fuel to the fire, bud. My last post on this thread bc now I'm getting into the drama that I hate to see on here.
Sorry I didn't wave at you and your kids, I'm not out in my car looking for people noticing my car. I drive it to school, work, and everywhere else I can bc it puts me at peace cruising in it. Honk or flip me the bird next time and I will definitely wave. 
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 06:44 PM
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I hope this all gets resolved, I just can't understand why US Cartool hasn't even tried to come on and try to give an explanation. I too have bought parts from them and was treated well. I hope it works out for the folks who put money into the part.
ROLL TIDE ROLL Bullet!!!!!!
"There is more action on here than in Afghanistan where I am" Ha how about a soldier Graemlin?
I'm down the road from LSU right now & have been here since Friday
I have made it known that Bama will be here to shake frames & take names everywhere I've went & surprisingly enough not the first person has disagreed.
I've been meaning to ask. Is your username connected to the blue 68 Hemi Roadrunner in Mobile?
Posted By: Ruppman
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 06:45 PM
Posted By: justinp61
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 07:47 PM
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For all of you too dense to understand what I'm saying above,
What an a$$. 
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 08:01 PM
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For all of you too dense to understand what I'm saying above,
What an a$$.
He rarely posts but has 4400 of them
Posted By: held1823
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 08:52 PM
watch a pissing match get this thread canned. given the frequency of it occurring here, that may well have been the vendor's plan from the start. don't give them an easy way out...
Posted By: Fig
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 09:06 PM
Bump for US Car Tool to respond!
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 09:15 PM
Like I said before there are some who would like to see it swept under the rug but there are more who would like to see them get their money back
I'm one who wants to see them get their cash back
Posted By: 74fish
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 09:22 PM
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Bump for US Car Tool to respond!
Posted By: bigdad
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 09:39 PM
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Bump for US Car Tool to respond!
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 10:13 PM
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Bump for US Car Tool to respond!
It's easier to do this than respond to crap
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 10:13 PM
"No, I didn't read the deleted comments and I don't really care to. I see why so many good members leave this site, so much knowledge is lost. "
Why the heck are you even posting if you didnt read the deleted comments? Now your sticking up for the guy who was sticking up for the guy who is a crook. Birds of a feather.
Posted By: not_a_charger
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 10:28 PM
If the whizzing contest doesn't end, the vacations will start. Choose wisely, folks.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 10:32 PM
Btt
Posted By: jcc
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 10:39 PM
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When you question a man's integrity you are basically calling him a liar
That's what you & others did.
Just because you didn't use the word doesn't mean that it wasn't implied
I'm well educated & the replies that you made put you in the shoes of the names you were called
If John is such a good friend to you then maybe he will listen to you on this subject that you inserted yourself into & figured out that you were wrong
Why don't you admit it instead of trying to attack those who called you out for it.
I always wonder what audience one thinks they are speaking to when making the statement "I'm well educated". Thank you for removing the implication.
Posted By: not_a_charger
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 10:42 PM
Last warning.
Posted By: Rebellion
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 10:48 PM
Please folks, this is a chance to do some good.
Thanks, Tom
Posted By: Not_A_Duster
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 10:48 PM
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Last warning.
Awwwwww........ C'mon othernodda..... Don't make it go away. Some of these guys are waaaayyy more entertaining than anything on TV right now.
(No disrespect to the op's dilemma....)
Posted By: not_a_charger
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/03/13 10:48 PM
I'm not going to make the thread go away...just the people hijacking it with their childish behavior.
I've made the mistake or choice to read all the responses on this and honestly couldn't tell you a 1/4 of what was said. Whats that really say? Regardless of the actual events or speculated events it's between the customer and the business and should not of had to come to this. I hope the business can make it right and take care of the customer. With today's way of life it's not the p!ss off a customer they tell 10 & please them they tell 2. It's far more get told if they are p!ssed. They need to make it right.
Posted By: restoman
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 01:36 AM
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Last warning.
Awwwwww........ C'mon othernodda..... Don't make it go away. Some of these guys are waaaayyy more entertaining than anything on TV right now.
(No disrespect to the op's dilemma....)
^^^^ ^^^^
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 02:24 AM
I never intended this thread to turn in the direction it has. I did not think John would have allowed this to go on and maybe its gone on to long. But remember this is no one else's fault but John himself. It seems to me that people not even involved by this are getting hurt the most, members of this forum, his employee's, business relationships, etc...
John it's time to man up, pay back whom ever you owe and put this matter to rest.
For the respect of John's employee' and friends future comments should be more in line with getting this problem resolved in a manner that is fair to only those involved.
Thanks,
Jim
Posted By: calmopar
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 03:34 AM
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...some are calling out good standing members because they stuck up for a "friend". Tell me you wouldn't do the same.
I wouldn't if I was pretty sure that my friend was in the wrong. I'd talk to the friend privately and try to help him deal with the problem. If he wanted no part of my help, I'd leave it alone...both with him and with the board.
Additionally, if the friend did something that I considered unethical that hurt a bunch of people, I'd have to think long and hard about whether I wanted to continue that friendship. If it involved a business matter, and we also had a business relationship, I'd worry about the reputation of MY business through association, and I'd also worry if down the line maybe it will be my turn to be a victim.
I am a very loyal friend, but don't ever believe in blind loyalty.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 10:02 AM
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...some are calling out good standing members because they stuck up for a "friend". Tell me you wouldn't do the same.
I wouldn't if I was pretty sure that my friend was in the wrong. I'd talk to the friend privately and try to help him deal with the problem. If he wanted no part of my help, I'd leave it alone...both with him and with the board.
Additionally, if the friend did something that I considered unethical that hurt a bunch of people, I'd have to think long and hard about whether I wanted to continue that friendship. If it involved a business matter, and we also had a business relationship, I'd worry about the reputation of MY business through association, and I'd also worry if down the line maybe it will be my turn to be a victim.
I am a very loyal friend, but don't ever believe in blind loyalty.
That friend is a good guy who like everyone else has made a mistake I've made the same mistake myself
I've been in contact with him & he wants to see good come from this post as do I.
Those guys need to get their $$$ cash back
Posted By: hemirdrnnr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 01:50 PM
I hope it gets worked out and the folks who lost money get it back, it has been stated before we need good vendors to keep our hobby healthy. Come on US CARTOOL let us know what is happening.
"Bullet I do have a blue 68 hemi road runner I may even finish it one day or give it away to a good home"
!
Posted By: OhioMopar
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 02:23 PM
My dealings with John have been good. I hope he comes through and makes everything right.
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 03:21 PM
I've read most of this thread,at least what was worthy.Regardless of the outcome,you will have a business man with a tainted reputation that will have an everlasting effect that could have been avoided with a simple explanation,that still has not happened !!
Posted By: not_a_charger
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 03:39 PM
US Car Tool has not contacted Tom (Moparts), either. Just an FYI.
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 03:45 PM
The internet can be used for many bad things but in this type of situation it is beneficial. Even if the $$$ is not refunded to the OP others now know about this company and what they did to people who entrusted them (The people who entrusted US Car Tool)
Posted By: HMcCandless_Jr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 05:42 PM
I got a message and I want to clear this up, US Car Tool makes excellent products, the frame connectors, torque boxes, inner fender items all work very well and the quality is A1. Chris is a great fabricator and can work wonders with metal. I never said their products weren't good. This thread is about simple business and practices just so everyone knows where I stand.
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 05:52 PM
Update:
Last week I called U.S. Car Tool's Shop and got though!
Spoke with Charlene, and she said to Email her the refund inforamation. I called back today @ 11:30 AM and asked her about the status. She tolled me she spoke to John Pasemann about it and he said thats not this company.
Also I have been contacted by another person that this has happen to.
That makes 3 who are still owed and 2 that have been reinbursed.
And still no word from John?
News like this makes me more determined then ever to get everyones money back!
Thanks,
Jim
Posted By: hemirdrnnr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 05:54 PM
I agree everything I bought from them is first class, if this is cleared up I will continue to buy from them. I just can't understand why they won't comment on the problem.
Posted By: RJS
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 08:46 PM
Quote:
Update:
Last week I called U.S. Car Tool's Shop and got though!
Spoke with Charlene, and she said to Email her the refund inforamation. I called back today @ 11:30 AM and asked her about the status. She tolled me she spoke to John Pasemann about it and he said thats not this company.
Also I have been contacted by another person that this has happen to.
That makes 3 who are still owed and 2 that have been reinbursed.
And still no word from John?
News like this makes me more determined then ever to get everyones money back!
Thanks,
Jim
Now ain't that some funny business!!!
Posted By: MadMopars
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/04/13 08:59 PM
Quote:
Update:
Last week I called U.S. Car Tool's Shop and got though!
Spoke with Charlene, and she said to Email her the refund inforamation. I called back today @ 11:30 AM and asked her about the status. She tolled me she spoke to John Pasemann about it and he said thats not this company.
Also I have been contacted by another person that this has happen to.
That makes 3 who are still owed and 2 that have been reinbursed.
And still no word from John?
News like this makes me more determined then ever to get everyones money back!
Thanks,
Jim
I personally will not be ordering anything from U.S. Car Tool until I have heard that this has been resolved. I can not believe they have made no attempt to offer at least a credit if the funds are not available to reimburse you guys. For this post to be active as long as it has with no response from the company to try to maintain it's reputation or display professionalism blows my mind. The waiting continues I guess. Sorry to see this continue for all... 
Ok I'm confused. I looked at the US Car tool link on the sponsors page. Didn't look at everything but didn't see any restoration items like emblems on there. Was this going to be a one off trial and error see what it does for them and if it goes over they would try other related items? To me I only seen the body rated things. There isn't two US Car Tool places is there?
Posted By: RobG
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 04:13 AM
Will U.S Car Tool be at SEMA?
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 04:21 AM
This was going to be a item for sale just like the items you see now.
He once sold a edge trim for 66/67 truck lid, don't know if he still has any.
Not sure of other U.S. Car Tools, but am sure I got the right John Pasemann.
Thanks.
Jim
Posted By: Twostick
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 04:58 AM
Probably has a different LLC for the "restoration" stuff. That's how he can say with a straight face that US Car Tool doesn't owe you anything if in fact that is what has been said.
Him and however many LLC he may own or control are all separate entities just like you and I are.
I'm pretty sure this should be a matter of public record so you should be able to find out how many other LLC's if any he owns. Being as he might be a less than stand up guy, don't be surprised if there is in fact a different LLC that you contracted with, and that somebody else in his family ie his wife etc and not him, owns it.
Kevin
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 05:25 AM
s. She tolled me she spoke to John Pasemann about it and he said thats not this company.
Has his business changed in status since your encounter 8 years ago?
Corporate status,ownership,financial or was he acting as an agent in a partnership business outside his company?
If you're positive that it was John that you were talking to then,those are about the only choices of why "it is not this company"
Posted By: dOc !
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 07:09 AM
Quote:
This was going to be a item for sale just like the items you see now.
He once sold a edge trim for 66/67 truck lid, don't know if he still has any.
Not sure of other U.S. Car Tools, but am sure I got the right John Pasemann.
Thanks.
Jim
The RIGHT US Car Tool .... and the RIGHT John Pasemann ..?? ..... THIS is getting good !! .... the plot thickens !!!
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 08:04 AM
This can't be the only forum that knows of this
There's bound to be a good percentage of the 50 who are on some forum dealing with a Dodge Charger,B body etc
Tom,Jim, are either of you members of any other forum other than this one that you have mentioned any of your dealings in direct or passing?
Posted By: gdonovan
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 11:47 AM
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The RIGHT US Car Tool .... and the RIGHT John Pasemann ..?? ..... THIS is getting good !! .... the plot thickens !!!
Devils advocate-
For the sake of argument, lets say there are two John Pasemann's who happen to have businesses call "US Car Tool".
(no chance right? but still hear me out.)
Would not the "other" John issue a statement that he has nothing to do with the first Johns tomfoolery? This is going to hurt someones business, if it was me I'd be out in front of it in a big way.
I don't have a horse in this race but I distinctly remember the medallions being worked on, there was a photo or two posted years ago. I am watching the thread to see how this all turns out though, important to only deal with trustworthy vendors in this business.
Posted By: doctor_mopar
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 11:56 AM
Gee ! If I was wrongly accused, I would be on this forum, explaining myself ! I suspect right individual, maybe under different LLC . This sure has a negative influence on my trust to deal with a company associated with the accused ! I would recommend he post on here to clarify his situation, and either clear himself, clear the problem, or forever suffer the doubt that has been place on his integrity !
Posted By: AeroMonte
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 01:16 PM
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Gee ! If I was wrongly accused, I would be on this forum, explaining myself ! I suspect right individual, maybe under different LLC . This sure has a negative influence on my trust to deal with a company associated with the accused ! I would recommend he post on here to clarify his situation, and either clear himself, clear the problem, or forever suffer the doubt that has been place on his integrity !
I agree with this statement 100%. The silence from US Car tool speaks volumns. They will never see any of my hard earned money no matter how great their products are.
Posted By: srt
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 02:17 PM
sponsorship to site should be revoked as well
lack of integrity to honoring contract.
op needs resolution - without; business reputation is tarnished
Posted By: billohio
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 02:33 PM
Ohio has a website you can look up business names. State does it and you can see what names are already used and shows owners.maybe car tools state has this. It also shows if a business active. Good luck
Quote:
This was going to be a item for sale just like the items you see now.
He once sold a edge trim for 66/67 truck lid, don't know if he still has any.
Not sure of other U.S. Car Tools, but am sure I got the right John Pasemann.
Thanks.
Jim
Don't be upset with me or think I'm saying what you are saying isn't true. Just on my own went to check out his web site as honestly have not really looked at his dealings before mainly cause haven't needed his work(I do restoration work as a living) and his other items he sells haven't needed. Will say this we do need a front disc brake kit as I see he sells them but won't be sending money his way. I was going to post a few days ago asking who to buy from and honestly if this hadnt come to light and most would of said buy from US CAR TOOL. We probably would have as the price looks pretty good but not now! Guess if he's reading all these replies I hope he realizes this cost him a potential sale.
Posted By: KillerBee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 02:47 PM
Quote:
Probably has a different LLC for the "restoration" stuff. That's how he can say with a straight face that US Car Tool doesn't owe you anything if in fact that is what has been said.
Him and however many LLC he may own or control are all separate entities just like you and I are.
I'm pretty sure this should be a matter of public record so you should be able to find out how many other LLC's if any he owns. Being as he might be a less than stand up guy, don't be surprised if there is in fact a different LLC that you contracted with, and that somebody else in his family ie his wife etc and not him, owns it.
Kevin
Interesting, I guess the word "SCAM" in the OP's post title might be more appropriate now.
Kinda hard to track the money and pin responsibilty on a specific individual when they're playing the company name shell game.
Posted By: fastmark
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 03:05 PM
I think the fact that he has not replied to this thread, speaks for itself. All it would take to satisfy the OP would be for "I'm sorry the deal never went through", ( insert your best lame excuse), AND refund the small amount of money. Then all his friends on Moparts could say what a standup guy he is. The longer he ignores this then, there are a lot of people here who will just think he is another business to stay away from. I'm just calling it like I see it.
Posted By: KillerBee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 03:09 PM
Will say this we do need a front disc brake kit as I see he sells them but won't be sending money his way. I was going to post a few days ago asking who to buy from and honestly if this hadnt come to light and most would of said buy from US CAR TOOL. We probably would have as the price looks pretty good but not now! Guess if he's reading all these replies I hope he realizes this cost him a potential sale.
Dr. Diff has a variety of front and rear disk brake kits....from mild to wild.
http://www.doctordiff.com/brakes/complete-kits/
Posted By: srt
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 03:11 PM
prior to deviating to the llc theory it is appropriate for the op to clarify to whom, or what business name he sent payment for goods.
edit-> I see op posted early in this thread payment was made by cc directly to "John Pasemann US Car Tools. Therefore no llc involved with purchase unless USCT is a llc.
unless I mis-understand op was not offered a "buy-in" to a llc, he was simply offered parts for a price, which price was refundable, in full, should the part not be produced.
no need to macerate and re-gurgitate a simple purchase agreement.
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 03:19 PM
Quote:
prior to deviating to the llc theory it is appropriate for the op to clarify to whom, or what business name he sent payment for goods.
edit-> I see op posted early in this thread payment was made by cc directly to "John Pasemann US Car Tools. Therefore no llc involved with purchase unless USCT is a llc.
unless I mis-understand op was not offered a "buy-in" to a llc, he was simply offered parts for a price, which price was refundable, in full, should the part not be produced.
no need to macerate and re-gurgitate a simple purchase agreement.
Just think how easy it would be for USCT to close the lid !!
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 03:20 PM
Credit card statement shows a payment on 9/26/05 in the amount $275.00 to US CAR TOOL RALEIGH NC. I gave the credit informantion to John Pasemann by phone to place this order.
Thanks,
Jim
Posted By: srt
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 03:37 PM
nc also has the secretary of state website and there is info on us car tool website.
chris is shown as owner/manager and john is shown as owner on the usct website
nc sec of state shows no us car tool listing but under johns name is one business for "MONTCLAIR TECHNOLOGY, INC." whose agent is John Pasemann with the same street and town address as shown on us car tool website.
site shows
Company Information and
Report StatusAll the above is public info as found on the web.
This info parallels other info found on the web, on moparts - this thread...
Posted By: srt
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 03:41 PM
Quote:
Just think how easy it would be for USCT to close the lid !!
Posted By: IMGTX
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 03:59 PM
I've fumbled through the posts and the one thing that stands out to me is this.
If somebody was lying about me I would stand up for myself.
If they were telling the truth I would make it right and apologize. It's what a person of good character should do.
John knows of this posting and is not responding.
By not responding or rectifying this I think it speaks for itself.
It has changed my opinion of doing business with his company.
I won't expound upon my idea as to why he is ignoring this but I hope it works out for all involved.
Posted By: max_maniac
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 04:59 PM
Quote:
This was going to be a item for sale just like the items you see now.
He once sold a edge trim for 66/67 truck lid, don't know if he still has any.
Not sure of other U.S. Car Tools, but am sure I got the right John Pasemann.
Thanks.
Jim
From a Moparts post on Sept 9, 2005 I think.....
Sorry about the web site - we are behind on all the updates!
Quote:
I did check out uscartool.com, but I couldn't find any information on connectors for a 69 b-body (only e-bodies and 71-2 b-body).
They do seem nice, and if they are available for a 69, I would definitely give them serious consideration, even though they are nearly 10x the cost of a length of 2x3. The almost-factory look and no need to worry about hacking the floorpan may be worth it.
We do have the 66-70 B-Body versions done along with the E Body versions - just drop a note or send a PM for all the details (pricing!) - I have pictures of several installs done by test pilots.
Biggest benefit of using the laser cut version is not haing to cut the floor. Hard to carpet after you weld the tube in as well (chuckle), but that would be les important for a full-on race car.
Hope That Helps!!
John Pasemann
www.UsCarTool.com
919-855-8200
PS - we have a banner ad coming here on moparts!!
--------------------
John P.
www.UsCarTool.com - Mopar Restoration & Fabrication. Mild to Wild, we don't scare easy!
919-855-8200
John@UsCarTool.com
and then this:
http://ratrodsrule.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25893
Russ
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/05/13 05:55 PM
Quote:
nc also has the secretary of state website and there is info on us car tool website.
chris is shown as owner/manager and john is shown as owner on the usct website
nc sec of state shows no us car tool listing but under johns name is one business for "MONTCLAIR TECHNOLOGY, INC." whose agent is John Pasemann with the same street and town address as shown on us car tool website.
site shows Company Information and Report Status
All the above is public info as found on the web.
This info parallels other info found on the web, on moparts - this thread...
This is what I was talking about in one of my most recent posts. There are guys who do the multi business thing to deflect liability The Corvette restoration world is full of them
Posted By: Rebellion
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 12:51 AM
Bulletbob,
Regarding your question earlier pertaining to other forums, I'm not actively on any right now.
Tom
Posted By: Rebellion
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 01:36 AM
FWIW...The e-mail that I sent to John on Friday inquiring about this issue, has received no reply.
To everybody showing support behind myself, Jim and the others...Thank You!
Tom
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 01:56 AM
to the OP
John replying wrong company pisses me the eff off.
I am very much aware of him trying to reproduce 1st gen Charger parts
so here is a
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 02:00 AM
Well I'd get on some & ask some questions about this particular part
Maybe mention about that part being offered before by USCT
If there's another one of you or some one with some info on one of you maybe you all as a group can get something back.
You can't flush the toilet here when they have their head stuck in the sand like an Ostrich
It just can't happen unless they stick their head out
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 04:00 AM
I posted a similar post in the
www.66-67charger.com forum, not much activity over there but those did respond make reference to his dishonesty.
As far as I am concerned anyone that does business with John Pasemann and/or U.S. Car Tool is condoning there actions and is at risk of getting ripped off themselves.
It not about if they do good work or not, its about not letting people get away with things like this. Start giving business to honest people, there are other companies
out there that provide the same services and products just as good, if not better that can be trusted.
I think its time for Moparts to remove U.S. Car Tool as one of there sponsors.
Thanks,
Jim
Posted By: Twostick
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 04:26 AM
Is there such a thing as a Class Action Small Claims Court Lawsuit? He isn't worried about a few guys chasing him over a few hundred bucks.
50x$275.00 might get his attention though.
Kevin
Or how bout every member on moparts start calling or emailing them asking if they will be doing the right thing. I fhink if thetis got 50 calls a day asking the same thing obevwoukd think they would do the right thing.
Posted By: migsBIG
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 05:16 AM
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Or how bout every member on moparts start calling or emailing them asking if they will be doing the right thing. I fhink if thetis got 50 calls a day asking the same thing obevwoukd think they would do the right thing.
That's not a bad idea, but that probably runs under harassment. Never good to do something that lowers your own integrity. Still, he's loosing thousands of dollars in potential sales by not responding or refunding the OP, not to mention his high standing as a quality business component supplier. By knowing about it and not responding is like business suicide. Not sure why someone would risk that?
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 05:44 AM
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Or how bout every member on moparts start calling or emailing them asking if they will be doing the right thing. I fhink if thetis got 50 calls a day asking the same thing obevwoukd think they would do the right thing.
There might be more than one way to flush the toilet on these folks here
The legal wrangling & dodging may hinder any repayment but the internet will help
This thread probably needs to go onto other Mopar forums
There will be a judge there with a credit card in hand that will settle this
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 05:48 AM
John's Email was
66_67_chargers@yahoogroups.com in 2003 More coming soon
Posted By: chapdog105
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 05:55 AM
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Or how bout every member on moparts start calling or emailing them asking if they will be doing the right thing. I fhink if thetis got 50 calls a day asking the same thing obevwoukd think they would do the right thing.
Or...
We could mind your own business and let these grown men figure it out.
Want to make a point to US Car Tool or John? Stop buying his products and services...end of story.
Is this Moparts or the high school cheer team? I thought this was a forum of like-minded Mopar enthusiasts. This thread has become a gossip site for middle aged, busy body men (and women).
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 05:57 AM
Another way you can send him a message is to go on youtube and type in US Car Tool, he has about 7 video's and post a comment to it.
Posted By: Hotwheelsjr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 05:59 AM
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Or how bout every member on moparts start calling or emailing them asking if they will be doing the right thing. I fhink if thetis got 50 calls a day asking the same thing obevwoukd think they would do the right thing.
Or...
We could mind your own business and let these grown men figure it out.
Want to make a point to US Car Tool or John? Stop buying his products and services...end of story.
Is this Moparts or the high school cheer team? I thought this was a forum of like-minded Mopar enthusiasts. This thread has become a gossip site for middle aged, busy body men (and women).
Honestly, I couldn't agree more. I can't believe it's still alive... 
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 06:24 AM
It's still alive because of John Pasemenn, not the posts.
Posted By: dOc !
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 06:41 AM
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Update:
Last week I called U.S. Car Tool's Shop and got though!
Spoke with Charlene, and she said to Email her the refund inforamation. I called back today @ 11:30 AM and asked her about the status. She tolled me she spoke to John Pasemann about it and he said thats not this company.
Also I have been contacted by another person that this has happen to.
That makes 3 who are still owed and 2 that have been reinbursed.
And still no word from John?
News like this makes me more determined then ever to get everyones money back!
Thanks,
Jim
What is the proper spelling of his name ?
Posted By: dOc !
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 06:46 AM
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It's still alive because of John Pasemenn, not the posts.
.... And you use this spelling .....
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 06:47 AM
John Pasemann is his name as is register to his business also offer classes in CNC plasma cutting on technet
The ones who say mind own business I understand and agree bugging them as a whole not the most grown up way to handle it but look at it this way. Has this thread worked for the OP? Is he getting through to them alone after 8 years? Will they loose business from this thread alone? Yes to an extent but maybe just maybe a little help might not hurt the 50's chances of getting $ back. I agree the silence from the business or him alone is not looking the best. I'll just sit back and watch to see the outcome.
Posted By: jglen490
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 05:11 PM
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It's still alive because of John Pasemenn, not the posts.
And a little bit of help from you. But, seriously dragging this subject out here is getting you exactly nowhere close to a resolution of your problem. You have a problem with John Paseman and the way he does business, then deal with it. MOPARTS is not a court of law, although it is in some respect a court of public opinion, and perseveration on this subject here does nothing except raise some blood pressure.
You want to fix it? Deal with it in a court of law in North Carolina. File a complaint, a grievance, a lawsuit - small claims, class action, whatever you want.
I don't know Mr. Paseman, I've never had any dealings with him. Some on this forum have, and to varying degrees of success - that's life. I suspect he's not going to engage in any discussion, on this forum, precisely because he doesn't have to.
You've made your point, kicked up some sand, now it's time to get to N.C. and do something about it
Posted By: hemirdrnnr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 05:36 PM
Well put!!!!!
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 06:19 PM
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It's still alive because of John Pasemenn, not the posts.
And a little bit of help from you. But, seriously dragging this subject out here is getting you exactly nowhere close to a resolution of your problem. You have a problem with John Paseman and the way he does business, then deal with it. MOPARTS is not a court of law, although it is in some respect a court of public opinion, and perseveration on this subject here does nothing except raise some blood pressure.
I don't know Mr. Paseman, I've never had any dealings with him. Some on this forum have, and to varying degrees of success - that's life. I suspect he's not going to engage in any discussion, on this forum, precisely because he doesn't have to.
I hardly see this a being "Dragged out". He manned up and tried to communicate with US car Tool more than several times and got ignored. This post lets me know I wont buy anything from US Car tool. Without this post being as "HOT" as it is many may have not payed attention. But many have viewed in and as a result will not be buying US products. That's the internet doing good. If it goes to court now I suppose these board discussions viewable to a judge may make for compelling evidence but it would be nice if US whoever tool would just refund the money.
Posted By: torredcuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 06:31 PM
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Or how bout every member on moparts start calling or emailing them asking if they will be doing the right thing. I fhink if thetis got 50 calls a day asking the same thing obevwoukd think they would do the right thing.
Or...
We could mind your own business and let these grown men figure it out.
Want to make a point to US Car Tool or John? Stop buying his products and services...end of story.
Is this Moparts or the high school cheer team? I thought this was a forum of like-minded Mopar enthusiasts. This thread has become a gossip site for middle aged, busy body men (and women).
or look at the postitive- the pressure may get some fellow car guys their money back and if not then at least we know how US car tool handles thier business and maybe it will prevent someone else from getting burned by them.
Posted By: formula_s
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 06:47 PM
John Paseman..... This is not his first scam against the Mopar community, who remembers the 69 GTX he had on HEMINET years ago? It was a gold car with a bench seat...... Anyone recall??
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 08:00 PM
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Or how bout every member on moparts start calling or emailing them asking if they will be doing the right thing. I fhink if thetis got 50 calls a day asking the same thing obevwoukd think they would do the right thing.
There might be more than one way to flush the toilet on these folks here
The legal wrangling & dodging may hinder any repayment but the internet will help
This thread probably needs to go onto other Mopar forums
There will be a judge there with a credit card in hand that will settle this
We need to go ahead & plunge the turd of this toilet let this go to the other forums & Attorney General
Let the judge with the gavel & the judge with the credit card decide his fate
This thread has made it to the first & second page of him & his company's google search respectively
Posted By: crocha617
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 08:56 PM
This thread could've died a week ago for only $275
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 09:06 PM
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This thread could've died a week ago for only $275
Yup. I wanna hear that Jim Mitchell got it BackInCash!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: B5 Bee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 09:41 PM
For those that want to purge this thread, chip in and pay the $$$ owed to those that John cheated, I'm sure John will thank you later.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 10:09 PM
John won't escape this
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 10:20 PM
US Cartool 919-744-1639 another number that is listed for John
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 10:35 PM
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It's still alive because of John Pasemenn, not the posts.
And a little bit of help from you. But, seriously dragging this subject out here is getting you exactly nowhere close to a resolution of your problem. You have a problem with John Paseman and the way he does business, then deal with it. MOPARTS is not a court of law, although it is in some respect a court of public opinion, and perseveration on this subject here does nothing except raise some blood pressure.
You want to fix it? Deal with it in a court of law in North Carolina. File a complaint, a grievance, a lawsuit - small claims, class action, whatever you want.
I don't know Mr. Paseman, I've never had any dealings with him. Some on this forum have, and to varying degrees of success - that's life. I suspect he's not going to engage in any discussion, on this forum, precisely because he doesn't have to.
You've made your point, kicked up some sand, now it's time to get to N.C. and do something about it
Actually the most common sense response so far,the OP should have done this long ago !!
Posted By: SNK-EYZ
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 11:00 PM
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This thread could've died a week ago for only $275
Why is that?
If it was you that was out the money would you feel the same way?
A man is only as good as his word.
If the part isn't going to be made the the money should be refunded, returned or what ever way you want to say it.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 11:35 PM
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US Cartool 919-744-1639 another number that is listed for John
I'd call this number if I wanted to speak to John
Posted By: RJS
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 11:43 PM
This thread should be put on DODGECHARGER.COM also.
For those giving the OP a hard time shame on you!
Ron
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 11:50 PM
Take him to court in NC?
Real convenient for the person scammed. It'll end up costing him more than the amount owed, in aggravation if nothing else.
Real useful suggestion there.
That's how these scammers operate and without the internet there was damned little one could do to get resolution. Statute of limitations is probably over negating any number of other options, such as mail fraud.
So he's left with public shame as his only choice and we all see how that is working out. Maybe USCT will go under and no one gets paid, other than just desserts for JP.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/06/13 11:55 PM
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This thread should be put on DODGECHARGER.COM also.
For those giving the OP a hard time shame on you!
Ron
I've been saying roughly this the whole time
Let those whom he caters to have a turn at him on other forums
Posted By: doctor_mopar
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 12:25 AM
I believe too much time has passed to file in small claims court or file a lawsuit. It may be a longshot, but a complaint could be filed with the North Carolina Attorney General about shady improper illegitimate business practices, and if they choose to investigate the company. This would be a nightmare for the business.
John has had opportunity to address this forum, and I have not seen him on this thread. I think it looks like he is waiting for it to go away ! I do not like to see people taken advantage of, and I hope anyone who feels they have been taken , persue recovery of their money by all means !
Posted By: Twostick
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 12:32 AM
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Take him to court in NC?
Real convenient for the person scammed. It'll end up costing him more than the amount owed, in aggravation if nothing else.
Real useful suggestion there.
That's how these scammers operate and without the internet there was damned little one could do to get resolution. Statute of limitations is probably over negating any number of other options, such as mail fraud.
So he's left with public shame as his only choice and we all see how that is working out. Maybe USCT will go under and no one gets paid, other than just desserts for JP.
There is no statute of limitation in commerce.
Kevin
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 01:28 AM
He won't come here
He knows that the real wolves will come out if he does & this will blow up on the internet
This thread is at the top of the second page of a google search of his name
If he comes here, it goes to the top of the first page It's all damage control for him now
Posted By: crocha617
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 01:35 AM
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This thread could've died a week ago for only $275
Why is that?
If it was you that was out the money would you feel the same way?
A man is only as good as his word.
If the part isn't going to be made the the money should be refunded, returned or what ever way you want to say it.
You misunderstood me. I was trying to say USCT could've made this go away a week ago for $275. Now he may lose 100 or more times that amount in future business.
Posted By: SomeCarGuy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 01:55 AM
Wow, it surprises me how many people are giving the OP flak over this. Certainly the first to scream if it happened to them.
It's sad that people are so numb to the idea of making this right. OP might as well post this on any car forum he can find.
Posted By: jcc
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 02:14 AM
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Wow, it surprises me how many people are giving the OP flak over this. Certainly the first to scream if it happened to them.
It's sad that people are so numb to the idea of making this right. OP might as well post this on any car forum he can find.
Yea the "divided we fall mentality", I don't understand the lynch without due process concept. And I don't understand why asking for hearing the other side is giving the OP flak. NOBODY, I repeat, NOBODY has stated that the OP does not deserve his money returned, GOT IT?
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 02:50 AM
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There is no statute of limitation in commerce.
Kevin
Where do you get that?
NC has three years across the board. Other states have other limits.
Posted By: SomeCarGuy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 02:58 AM
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Wow, it surprises me how many people are giving the OP flak over this. Certainly the first to scream if it happened to them.
It's sad that people are so numb to the idea of making this right. OP might as well post this on any car forum he can find.
Yea the "divided we fall mentality", I don't understand the lynch without due process concept. And I don't understand why asking for hearing the other side is giving the OP flak. NOBODY, I repeat, NOBODY has stated that the OP does not deserve his money returned, GOT IT?
^^^Yet another example of it, thanks. Quit trying for the lock.
The other side has been asked for REPEATEDLY and nothing came back. That is nonsense.
Posted By: mitchell
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 03:33 AM
Thanks for the help and support most of you have of you have given me.
I think most understand it's not about my $275.00 it's about sending a message to John Pasemann and others like him, thinking about ripping people off in the future. It's not going to be worth it.
I welcome anyone who wants to join me and put ever more pressure on John Pasemann by posting your comments on this and other forums. Strength in numbers is working, it's just a matter of time.
How long can John just sit there and let this go on?
Thanks again,
Jim
Posted By: bigdad
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 04:14 AM
Posted By: Exit1965
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 04:33 AM
This has been an entertaining thread to read in a sad way. Many times, people come here to create a thread like this, the vendor comes in after a while, and things are eventually settled. It's very un-settling to see this go on so long with no attempt at ANYTHING from the vendor.
He will definitely lose a lot from not handling this situation properly. It's not about the $275 any more, it's about a fairly small community who puts a priority on honest business. There are too many choices for parts now a days to think this sort of practice isn't going to be detrimental to one's business.
Posted By: HMcCandless_Jr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 04:45 AM
I spoke to John today and told him to take care of this, he told me he hasn't looked at the thread, but then when I said there were links to yahoo groups he yes "I know" I immediately responded with how do you know if you haven't seen it. He is very aware and chooses not to deal with it. He did tell me I could broker a deal to get Mitchel his money back under the condition that this post go away, are you serious, just remember you cant get in trouble for telling the truth even if its bad about someone.
Posted By: HEMIDOG 70
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 04:58 AM
After following this thread. I can say usct has got the last dollar from me. I bought frame connectors and a k frame dolly from them. If this is their customer service policy I will not be back. Did this guy go to the F Mitchell school of business?
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 05:35 AM
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I spoke to John today and told him to take care of this, he told me he hasn't looked at the thread, but then when I said there were links to yahoo groups he yes "I know" I immediately responded with how do you know if you haven't seen it. He is very aware and chooses not to deal with it. He did tell me I could broker a deal to get Mitchel his money back under the condition that this post go away, are you serious, just remember you cant get in trouble for telling the truth even if its bad about someone.
Herb, He could care less for the other 49 who were violated could he?
Posted By: jcc
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 05:47 AM
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Wow, it surprises me how many people are giving the OP flak over this. Certainly the first to scream if it happened to them.
It's sad that people are so numb to the idea of making this right. OP might as well post this on any car forum he can find.
Yea the "divided we fall mentality", I don't understand the lynch without due process concept. And I don't understand why asking for hearing the other side is giving the OP flak. NOBODY, I repeat, NOBODY has stated that the OP does not deserve his money returned, GOT IT?
^^^Yet another example of it, thanks. Quit trying for the lock.
The other side has been asked for REPEATEDLY and nothing came back. That is nonsense.
I asked a question about what I don't understand and your response is "trying for a lock". Nice attempt at avoiding the issue, you in cahoots with US tool?
Posted By: B5 Bee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 05:54 AM
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John Paseman..... This is not his first scam against the Mopar community, who remembers the 69 GTX he had on HEMINET years ago? It was a gold car with a bench seat...... Anyone recall??
Care to fill others in that don't remember?
Posted By: held1823
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 06:05 AM
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...a deal to get Mitchel his money back under the condition that this post go away,
he had that option on october 28th.
all the more reason to archive this thread.
Posted By: moparmojo
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 06:31 AM
Wow this post is like a train wreck. I'm not taking sides or trying to invalidate anyones opinion but it surprises me how many are willing to throw this site sponsor/vendor under the bus merely because he fails to respond to the accusations on this post. What happened to until innocent until proven guilty? Sure do I think it is weird that usct has failed to reply, yes. But I also know that we don't have all the facts to make a sound judgement on the issue especially when many have had good experiences with them in the past. Usct has a history here to some degree. I also find it weird that we just now hear about this issue 8 years later from a new member and who during this post has encouraged us to go on other websites and youtube to bad mouth usct. The timing just seems unusual. I'm also confused about the email that was posted that appeared to be from John offering money back. Did the op take him up on the issue and he failed to follow thru or did the op demand an alternative resolution? Again unanswed. 8 years why the wait, why come on here now and talk about. Not like he saw a similar post and just had to share his story, but he created the post. I mean if it was me, after 8 years, I would have considered the money gone but even so I wouldn't sign up on mopar sites and just now start telling people to go on YouTube and kill someone's rating...for what, revenge? Again these events just seem out of the ordinary. Now I'm not saying I don't believe the op, however I just want to reserve judgement. There can be many reasons a company/person may not want to go on a site and respond to accusations. Is this the op's first posting like this? Has usct posted on other forums? If so was the response or process of discussing this issue in public a benefit? Who knows. Certainly it would be nice to hear the other side but I don't want to hang a guy wo the facts.
Case in point my brother had a small business selling after market car parts. Things went well until one guy contacted him about a broker part. This was a beefy part and hard to break so my brother questions how it occurred. Buyer merely said during normal install or thereafter part broke . My brother did not sell parts with a warranty, however asked the guy to send the part back and he would send a replacement, however the buyer only wanted his money back. The was not an option, but the offer was out there. My brother heard back from the guy. But several months later he was made aware of a post on a website he sponsored where the buyer went on there and bad mouthed his part and parts. Which if that wasn't bad enough he completely fabricated the events of the situation which is my way of saying, he lied. Well this got the ball rolling and all these people were on the site slinging mud about my brother/company, so by the time he got on the to clear the air, the damage could not be fixed. He said so many people had came up with their own conclusions without the facts that when he did get on there they could only pepper him with bs questions as to not look bad themselves. Meaning they were already invested in what they perceived to be the outcome, therefore they tried to make it come true. There was no real winner and even though my brother had offed to replace the part free of charge people lost confidence in his business, that up until then had an unblemished reputation. Orders slowed, his suppliers wanted larger purchases so he just chose to fold up shop. Hard to stop a rolling snowball.
Posted By: HairOtheDog
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 07:00 AM
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Wow this post is like a train wreck. I'm not taking sides or trying to invalidate anyones opinion but it surprises me how many are willing to throw this site sponsor/vendor under the bus merely because he fails to respond to the accusations on this post. What happened to until innocent until proven guilty? Sure do I think it is weird that usct has failed to reply, yes. But I also know that we don't have all the facts to make a sound judgement on the issue especially when many have had good experiences with them in the past. Usct has a history here to some degree. I also find it weird that we just now hear about this issue 8 years later from a new member and who during this post has encouraged us to go on other websites and youtube to bad mouth usct. The timing just seems unusual. I'm also confused about the email that was posted that appeared to be from John offering money back. Did the op take him up on the issue and he failed to follow thru or did the op demand an alternative resolution? Again unanswed. 8 years why the wait, why come on here now and talk about. Not like he saw a similar post and just had to share his story, but he created the post. I mean if it was me, after 8 years, I would have considered the money gone but even so I wouldn't sign up on mopar sites and just now start telling people to go on YouTube and kill someone's rating...for what, revenge? Again these events just seem out of the ordinary. Now I'm not saying I don't believe the op, however I just want to reserve judgement. There can be many reasons a company/person may not want to go on a site and respond to accusations. Is this the op's first posting like this? Has usct posted on other forums? If so was the response or process of discussing this issue in public a benefit? Who knows. Certainly it would be nice to hear the other side but I don't want to hang a guy wo the facts.
Case in point my brother had a small business selling after market car parts. Things went well until one guy contacted him about a broker part. This was a beefy part and hard to break so my brother questions how it occurred. Buyer merely said during normal install or thereafter part broke . My brother did not sell parts with a warranty, however asked the guy to send the part back and he would send a replacement, however the buyer only wanted his money back. The was not an option, but the offer was out there. My brother heard back from the guy. But several months later he was made aware of a post on a website he sponsored where the buyer went on there and bad mouthed his part and parts. Which if that wasn't bad enough he completely fabricated the events of the situation which is my way of saying, he lied. Well this got the ball rolling and all these people were on the site slinging mud about my brother/company, so by the time he got on the to clear the air, the damage could not be fixed. He said so many people had came up with their own conclusions without the facts that when he did get on there they could only pepper him with bs questions as to not look bad themselves. Meaning they were already invested in what they perceived to be the outcome, therefore they tried to make it come true. There was no real winner and even though my brother had offed to replace the part free of charge people lost confidence in his business, that up until then had an unblemished reputation. Orders slowed, his suppliers wanted larger purchases so he just chose to fold up shop. Hard to stop a rolling snowball.
No offense intended,
but you need to go back to page 1, and re-read the entire thread.
Posted By: 74fish
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 07:08 AM
Posted By: SNK-EYZ
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 07:50 AM
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This thread could've died a week ago for only $275
Why is that?
If it was you that was out the money would you feel the same way?
A man is only as good as his word.
If the part isn't going to be made the the money should be refunded, returned or what ever way you want to say it.
You misunderstood me. I was trying to say USCT could've made this go away a week ago for $275. Now he may lose 100 or more times that amount in future business.
That's the problem with what's written some times, it can be taken the wrong way.
I apologize for thinking that you meant it wasn't worth the O/P time or trouble for the money involved.
From reading some of the latest replies it looks like John at USCT knows that there's a problem but doesn't care enough to fix it.
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 11:38 AM
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Wow this post is like a train wreck. I'm not taking sides or trying to invalidate anyones opinion but it surprises me how many are willing to throw this site sponsor/vendor under the bus merely because he fails to respond to the accusations on this post. What happened to until innocent until proven guilty? Sure do I think it is weird that usct has failed to reply, yes. But I also know that we don't have all the facts to make a sound judgement on the issue especially when many have had good experiences with them in the past. Usct has a history here to some degree. I also find it weird that we just now hear about this issue 8 years later from a new member and who during this post has encouraged us to go on other websites and youtube to bad mouth usct. The timing just seems unusual. I'm also confused about the email that was posted that appeared to be from John offering money back. Did the op take him up on the issue and he failed to follow thru or did the op demand an alternative resolution? Again unanswed. 8 years why the wait, why come on here now and talk about. Not like he saw a similar post and just had to share his story, but he created the post. I mean if it was me, after 8 years, I would have considered the money gone but even so I wouldn't sign up on mopar sites and just now start telling people to go on YouTube and kill someone's rating...for what, revenge? Again these events just seem out of the ordinary. Now I'm not saying I don't believe the op, however I just want to reserve judgement. There can be many reasons a company/person may not want to go on a site and respond to accusations. Is this the op's first posting like this? Has usct posted on other forums? If so was the response or process of discussing this issue in public a benefit? Who knows. Certainly it would be nice to hear the other side but I don't want to hang a guy wo the facts.
Case in point my brother had a small business selling after market car parts. Things went well until one guy contacted him about a broker part. This was a beefy part and hard to break so my brother questions how it occurred. Buyer merely said during normal install or thereafter part broke . My brother did not sell parts with a warranty, however asked the guy to send the part back and he would send a replacement, however the buyer only wanted his money back. The was not an option, but the offer was out there. My brother heard back from the guy. But several months later he was made aware of a post on a website he sponsored where the buyer went on there and bad mouthed his part and parts. Which if that wasn't bad enough he completely fabricated the events of the situation which is my way of saying, he lied. Well this got the ball rolling and all these people were on the site slinging mud about my brother/company, so by the time he got on the to clear the air, the damage could not be fixed. He said so many people had came up with their own conclusions without the facts that when he did get on there they could only pepper him with bs questions as to not look bad themselves. Meaning they were already invested in what they perceived to be the outcome, therefore they tried to make it come true. There was no real winner and even though my brother had offed to replace the part free of charge people lost confidence in his business, that up until then had an unblemished reputation. Orders slowed, his suppliers wanted larger purchases so he just chose to fold up shop. Hard to stop a rolling snowball.
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Posted By: John426
Appology and facts - 11/07/13 12:35 PM
An Apology and the facts
I would like to start with an apology to those folks from the 66-67 Charger community that invested in the medallion project with me. I failed, the project failed and I do apologize to you all.
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In 2003 I began a project to produce the decklid medallion from the 66-67 Charger. At the time, there where no parts being reproduced for these cars and they had become very much in need of parts, primarily any trim parts. I have a long standing love of these cars, my Father brought one home when I was 6 years old, it became my Mom’s every day driver, we went on family vacations in the car and it is still in our family. I set out to manufacture the medallion not because it would be a huge commercial success, but because it was a much needed part for the 66-67 Charger community.
I did some early CAD work on the medallion, investigated various methods of manufacturing the parts and discussed this ideas with several potential tool / die companies. I ultimately found one that would work with me on the short run and had some innovative and creative ideas on manufacturing tooling.
I commissioned a CAD model be developed by them and they prepared a tooling cost estimate from that model. The tooling costs was much greater than I could afford and I turned to the 66-67 Charger community for the investment I needed to produce the tooling and short run of parts.
Today, there are many vehicles for this type of funding, crowd sourcing and kickstarter being two large examples, but in 2004/2005 it was pretty innovative. The thought was pretty simple; get a number of the folks that would benefit from the medallion to invest so we could produce the hard tooling and short production run of the parts. Each person would receive a medallion at below the cost of manufacture and we would sell enough to ultimately break even on the project.
I had some of the funds required to produce the tooling and needed to raise the rest, so I asked the owners of 66-67 chargers to participate and they did. I collected enough investors to place the order for the hard tooling. All the folks that gave me money for the project knew the parts did not exist, that we were going to use their money, along with mine, to produce the tooling and then the parts.
Producing the tooling took longer than expected, the tool / die company I was working with was having hard times of their own (that had nothing to do with our project) but we did ultimately get the tooling delivered, with one large problem. They had miscalculated the size of one of the injection mold cavities and they could not produce the part in their machine.
I searched for an alternative that was within our very small budget and had no luck. I had the hard tooling for the metal part transferred to the foundry and they ran a small sample of parts to validate size and fit. Without the injection molding, we were stuck.
This had taken a long time and at this point, I had stopped predicting a date of when the parts would be ready. It was becoming embarrassing to say “60 more days” and then that date would come and go. At one point, I decided to get the metal parts cast so I would have something for the folks that participated in this project with me. I placed an order with the foundry and received devastating news when I followed up with them after 2 weeks; they could not find our tooling. A lot of time had passed since the initial sample run and they could not locate the tooling.
At this point, I was facing the likely hood of having to produce another set of very expensive tooling and the company that had done it for me initially was closed down. I offered folks refunds and quite a few decided to have me return their initial money. Some decided to continue on the project with me, in the hopes we would be able to get this much needed part for the chargers produced.
I continued to explore options for both the injection molding and the hard tooling. Time was passing and one day I called the foundry again and discussed the dilemma with the owner. He said he would look for the tooling and he called me back in a week or so with the news; he had found the tooling!
But I still had no way to produce the injection molded part and that ultimately was the demise of the project. I have the hard tooling, I have the method to cast the metal ring, I have the tooling for the injection molded part and no way to produce those parts without an enormous cost.
During this time, my small business had been floundering (as many did) and we were mostly out of money. I had invested all my savings into the business and its operations and we were surviving week to week. After working very hard and investing all of my money into the business, I had no choice but to close. I was saddened by the realization that we had failed, and even more so for the last few employee’s that had showed an enormous amount of dedication and worked extremely hard to keep us going up to then.
I took a full time job and used the income to subsidize the business. This worked for a short amount of time, but it became evident that that was not an effective long term strategy. I ultimately closed the business. There were bills that did not get paid when we ended that company and the Medallion project was officially a failure. Most of the investors had received refunds and very few lost their money.
I was able to find new funding and partners to start a new company; manufacturing and selling products we designed. We had previously contracted out the manufacturing and decided we could be successful if it was all done in house. The chassis stiffening products have been well received and we have thousands of customers who are happy and satisfied.
The Charger Medallion project failed, the company and I failed, but there is no scam about it. The rumors of the amount of money I have seen are just wrong. Most of the investment money was returned by me, until I simply was out of money.
Those are the facts. I spent a lot of time and money on the Medallion project and it did not succeed. Some of my investors lost money and I again apologize to you few folks.
John Pasemann
Posted By: cogen80
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 12:49 PM
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I was able to find new funding and partners to start a new company; manufacturing and selling products we designed. We had previously contracted out the manufacturing and decided we could be successful if it was all done in house. The chassis stiffening products have been well received and we have thousands of customers who are happy and satisfied.
wonderful. then you have the money to send the OP his deposit back.
Posted By: crocha617
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 12:54 PM
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I was able to find new funding and partners to start a new company; manufacturing and selling products we designed. We had previously contracted out the manufacturing and decided we could be successful if it was all done in house. The chassis stiffening products have been well received and we have thousands of customers who are happy and satisfied.
wonderful. then you have the money to send the OP his deposit back.
Yes I agree. When are you sending his money back?
Posted By: cogen80
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 01:00 PM
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I spoke to John today and told him to take care of this, he told me he hasn't looked at the thread, but then when I said there were links to yahoo groups he yes "I know" I immediately responded with how do you know if you haven't seen it. He is very aware and chooses not to deal with it. He did tell me I could broker a deal to get Mitchel his money back under the condition that this post go away, are you serious, just remember you cant get in trouble for telling the truth even if its bad about someone.
i haven't looked at the thread but i know all the details about it and still choose not to do anything about it.
wow! what a scumbag. i'll give his money back as ling as the post goes away.
Posted By: 1fastrunner
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 01:54 PM
I have no stake, but here's my take:
Not everything in business succeeds, and not all items generate profits. I am in the retail business and we don't always make money on every items we sell. These are known as loss leaders. They help us drive our business and we can make money on other items. We have been very inovative and not every product survives. In business you win some and you lose some. John took a chance on developing an item people, investors, wanted. The key is what promises were made upon taking their money to invest. Was there a discaimer saying they could lose the investment, or just promising them a completed item at a reduced cost. If John is now successful with his new ventures, he should, in my opinion, make it right with his previous investors if no disclaimer was part of the aggreement. All the investors are part of the hobby, a hobby which John's business revolves around. People share good stories about business transactions, but share bad ones much more. John can do what he wants, but we as hobbiests will be watching. I feel the continued success of his new business venture will only benefit if he settles this. He is rolling the dice if he doesn't because people will be afraid to trust him and his products.
Posted By: dOc !
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 01:59 PM
JP ....uNless it was clearly stated in the agreement that the OP and others were "investors" in this project and would thus share in the profits or loses of the project .... You owe him a refund.
Posted By: srt
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 02:15 PM
not only that, at a minimum the "residual funds" should have been equally distributed, not pick and choose.
Posted By: idrivevintage
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 02:57 PM
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Most of the investment money was returned by me, until I simply was out of money.
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I was able to find new funding and partners to start a new company; manufacturing and selling products we designed. We had previously contracted out the manufacturing and decided we could be successful if it was all done in house. The chassis stiffening products have been well received and we have thousands of customers who are happy and satisfied.
wonderful. then you have the money to send the OP his deposit back.
Some of the "investors" got refunded their "investment" but others are left hung out to dry and you're OK with that.
After all that was from the "old company" not the "new one" right
That's a hell of a thing to do. Sure it may be in some way legal but it doesn't make it right.
Pay the man what he is due!
Posted By: DaveRS23
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 03:14 PM
It doesn't look like the long awaited response from USCT is going to help them with this.
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 03:40 PM
Pasemen should put it on a dang credit card AND PAY BACK THOSE HE OWES.
Posted By: RJS
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 03:49 PM
John sounds like you sat down for a while to come up with what you think is a proper response to this situation.
Guess what your response sounds empty and calculated.
At this point no one cares about your love for 66-7 Chargers or that you still have the same one your parents bought.
Sell that Charger if your so broke and pay the remaining people back.
Hiding behind a failed company may be your choice but it speaks volumes about your lack of integrity!!!!
Ron
Posted By: Hemi_Joel
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 04:03 PM
When a company fails (assuming that it is not a sole propritorship) , the investors, the vendors, and the customers all lose out. That's the way it is and the way it has to be. It is not a scam if it is not intentional.
When an honest hard working mans business fails, and he has exausted all of the business' resources and closes the business, it's over.
He is now free to gain new investors an re-start fresh. It would be neither fair or legally prudent to ask the new investors to make good on debts from a defunct company.
It sucks for those who lose their investments, deposits, gift cards, etc. I'm sure it hurts worse for the owners such as John who give it all they have and lose everything.
It needs to be this way, or we would not have the great benefits we gain from the risk takers. Look at Henry Ford, and most of the great men who built the auto industry. Many failures and fresh starts happened before success.
If John started his new business with the same or similar name, that was a big mistake, and he should expect problems like this.
If I was John I would personally (outside of the new company) come to agreement with the op.
If I was the op, I would forget it and move on.
Posted By: IMGTX
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 04:08 PM
I for one and glad John replied.
I do understand from a business mentality why he MIGHT feel like he does not owe anyone refunds. Even Trump cuts his losses and declares bankruptcy on one Corp while the others he owns thrive well enough to pay the debts of the bankrupt one.
While it is legal for Trump to do that, I personally do not feel that is the morally correct thing to do.
From a legal standpoint there are lots of variables here. Statute of limitations, was this business a sole proprietorships or LLC, were they investors or buyers, etc. etc. etc.
Only a lawyer/judge can sort those out so it will probably never happen over $275.
Morally, ethically and possibly legally I think John should pay the man his $275.
I hope he does because it will definitely have an effect on his and his company name if he does or does not.
Thank You John for at least telling your side of the story.
Posted By: held1823
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 04:11 PM
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get a number of the folks that would benefit from the medallion to invest
Most of the investment money was returned by me
interesting twist, painting customers as investors.
customers spend money to receive a product. investors spend money to make more money. all of the invested money was spent on new product developement, yet investors got their money back, while customers got nothing.
Posted By: 74fish
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 04:29 PM
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I spoke to John today and told him to take care of this, he told me he hasn't looked at the thread, but then when I said there were links to yahoo groups he yes "I know" I immediately responded with how do you know if you haven't seen it. He is very aware and chooses not to deal with it. He did tell me I could broker a deal to get Mitchel his money back under the condition that this post go away, are you serious, just remember you cant get in trouble for telling the truth even if its bad about someone.
I'm Glad John responded. A few points though. I still think he owes the customers. He should have kept them in the loop and been up front with them. the big thing for me is the fact that he'll return the money to the OP if this thread goes away. Give me something and I'll give you your money back. Just plain wrong .... if you can pay then pay ... but not because wou want something ... 
This guy has been hassling with this for 8 years and has hung in there with you until he had enough.
Posted By: wingman
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 04:33 PM
This morning on the way in to work I "invested" in two Egg McMuffins, but when I checked the bag I had only gotten one.
After waiting three hours, the girl at the window finally told me a big convoluted story about the history of McDonalds corporation, and about their challenges in procuring Canadian Bacon. She also told me "most" people get their money back in situations such as these, but she couldn't help me because her drawer was low on $1 bills and quarters.
I guess that's business.
Posted By: R_Blaha
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 04:39 PM
Sorry but customers are not investors, they expect a product for money traded. Either his money should be returned or a part given. Not a oh well.
I guess my 69 bee isn't going down to us car and tool for the body in white if this is how they treat their customers!! $17k is a lot of cash and maybe I would never see my car again, cause I would be investing in the company!!!
Posted By: feeeighteefee
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 04:48 PM
u took the guys money and gave him nothing.pay him back. quit clowning around and do the honorable thing and then get on with life.nothing is free inthis world so what makes you think you take peoples money and give nothing back but a sob story.sometimes mopar people make me sick.hope poster gets his money back plus interest too.
Posted By: Twostick
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 05:17 PM
The foundry lost the tooling??? That's right up there with the dog ate my home work. Here's a thought. Tell the foundry to find the tooling or replace it.
Couldn't find anyone to do the injection molding for the medallion? Really??? I don't know how many units we are talking here but if you have the tooling there has to be HUNDREDS of small companies that do this kind of work. I've delivered presses to lots of them.
You can find used presses at industrial auctions for the price of scrap almost but the cost of moving them isn't cheap.
Here's a guy looking for work for a press.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plastic-Injection-Molding-Machine-Time-Available-/151158873474Kevin
Posted By: calmopar
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 05:52 PM
Was there an investor's packet? Were the 'investors' given a written document explaining the risks that they signed and returned? Did the investors understand how much of the company they owned and how they would be compensated?
When the foundry 'lost the tooling' there was a fiduciary duty on behalf of the investors to sue to protect their investment - was this done?
That's quite a yarn. Maybe it's true. Or maybe a guy made a bunch of promises to customers, took their money ahead of time, screwed up, paid some only people back to some degree, and figured the others could just eat it.
Either way, this is a cautionary tale for all involved and all reading.
Posted By: SomeCarGuy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 05:59 PM
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Wow, it surprises me how many people are giving the OP flak over this. Certainly the first to scream if it happened to them.
It's sad that people are so numb to the idea of making this right. OP might as well post this on any car forum he can find.
Yea the "divided we fall mentality", I don't understand the lynch without due process concept. And I don't understand why asking for hearing the other side is giving the OP flak. NOBODY, I repeat, NOBODY has stated that the OP does not deserve his money returned, GOT IT?
^^^Yet another example of it, thanks. Quit trying for the lock.
The other side has been asked for REPEATEDLY and nothing came back. That is nonsense.
I asked a question about what I don't understand and your response is "trying for a lock". Nice attempt at avoiding the issue, you in cahoots with US tool?
Give it a rest guy. You have been giving a pass to the party that choose not to respond.
Posted By: BradH
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 06:07 PM
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Was there an investor's packet? Were the 'investors' given a written document explaining the risks that they signed and returned? Did the investors understand how much of the company they owned and how they would be compensated?
When the foundry 'lost the tooling' there was a fiduciary duty on behalf of the investors to sue to protect their investment - was this done?
That's quite a yarn. Maybe it's true. Or maybe a guy made a bunch of promises to customers, took their money ahead of time, screwed up, paid some only people back to some degree, and figured the others could just eat it.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of bringing up essentially the same questions about them being "investors" as opposed to "customers".
My U.S. Car Tool driveshaft loop works great. It's the only and last product I ever see myself buying from John P., however, as a direct result of this debacle.
Posted By: SomeCarGuy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 06:07 PM
The response from John is
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If I buy stock in a start up, I don't go in thinking I get a product they make. These people signed up for a product, not an investment.
Posted By: formula_s
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 06:16 PM
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John Paseman..... This is not his first scam against the Mopar community, who remembers the 69 GTX he had on HEMINET years ago? It was a gold car with a bench seat...... Anyone recall??
Care to fill others in that don't remember?
He had a very nice 69 GTX on HEMINET back around 2000 or so, column auto, bench seat. I emailed him about the car, turns out it was a REBODY.
Posted By: torredcuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 06:29 PM
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When a company fails (assuming that it is not a sole propritorship) , the investors, the vendors, and the customers all lose out. That's the way it is and the way it has to be. It is not a scam if it is not intentional.
When an honest hard working mans business fails, and he has exausted all of the business' resources and closes the business, it's over.
He is now free to gain new investors an re-start fresh. It would be neither fair or legally prudent to ask the new investors to make good on debts from a defunct company.
It sucks for those who lose their investments, deposits, gift cards, etc. I'm sure it hurts worse for the owners such as John who give it all they have and lose everything.
It needs to be this way, or we would not have the great benefits we gain from the risk takers. Look at Henry Ford, and most of the great men who built the auto industry. Many failures and fresh starts happened before success.
If John started his new business with the same or similar name, that was a big mistake, and he should expect problems like this.
If I was John I would personally (outside of the new company) come to agreement with the op.
If I was the op, I would forget it and move on.
It can also be an easy way out taking the cash fromt he business but not paying any of the debt, declare bankruptcy and then they just re-open a new business and make money again screwing the customers from the old business. Also happens this way a lot.
Posted By: Old_Moparz
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 07:02 PM
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I spoke to John today and told him to take care of this, he told me he hasn't looked at the thread, but then when I said there were links to yahoo groups he yes "I know" I immediately responded with how do you know if you haven't seen it. He is very aware and chooses not to deal with it. He did tell me I could broker a deal to get Mitchel his money back under the condition that this post go away, are you serious, just remember you cant get in trouble for telling the truth even if its bad about someone.
Looks like John himself confirmed this when posting his "apology" for failing.
I've seen the vending space at Carlisle every year & have been enticed to look into the products & services for one car I have. Not now. I was burned by a restoration shop many years ago in the mid 1980's. Lost over $4000 out of pocket, plus the car needed to be redone from the poor work that was done on it. I swore that if I ever saw any hint of a red flag again from a vendor I'd run.
See you at the finish line.
Posted By: BS27R1B
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 07:07 PM
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But I still had no way to produce the injection molded part and that ultimately was the demise of the project. I have the hard tooling, I have the method to cast the metal ring, I have the tooling for the injection molded part and no way to produce those parts without an enormous cost.
So where is the tooling today?
Was it sold off as part of a liquidation of the original company?
Did you(John) retain them? If so you must recognize some potential future value.
If John has the tooling that others helped pay for why not offer them the tooling as a settlement? It would not cost John additional cash and the group could decide to pursue the project or sell the assets they 'invested' in to possibly recoup some of their money.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 07:13 PM
The Charger Medallion project failed, the company and I failed, but there is no scam about it. The rumors of the amount of money I have seen are just wrong. Most of the investment money was returned by me, until I simply was out of money.
Those are the facts. I spent a lot of time and money on the Medallion project and it did not succeed. Some of my investors lost money and I again apologize to you few folks.
John Pasemann
Your job & new business must be in the red
You've had at least 6 years after the excuses stopped to pay all 50 over a 72 month period of time & you selected certain ones to pay
Just let the rest know when you get your new cnc mill dialed in on the money & I bet this bunch will think better of you as well as the rest of the internet
Posted By: jglen490
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 07:52 PM
Everybody's been moaning a groaning about John Paseman not coming on to give his side of the story. He has. Now all the barracks lawyers and barracks ethicists are coming out of the woodwork telling him - or at least each other - how he should run his life and his business.
You yelled, he came. Time to move on
Posted By: cogen80
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 08:01 PM
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Everybody's been moaning a groaning about John Paseman not coming on to give his side of the story. He has. Now all the barracks lawyers and barracks ethicists are coming out of the woodwork telling him - or at least each other - how he should run his life and his business.
You yelled, he came. Time to move on
its time for john to pay the man the money he owes him. thats what time it is.
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 09:13 PM
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Everybody's been moaning a groaning about John Paseman not coming on to give his side of the story. He has. Now all the barracks lawyers and barracks ethicists are coming out of the woodwork telling him - or at least each other - how he should run his life and his business.
You yelled, he came. Time to move on
Time for Pasemen to pay up so we can move. That's what Mr Mediator should have said.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 10:51 PM
He said he was sorry, now we're supposed to forget about it. Just like a kid in the principle's office thinks it should go
Posted By: mitchell
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 11:10 PM
To me John's apology and facts sound disingenous and misleading , to say the least.
I placed my advanced order with John Pasemann of U.S. Car Tool on 9/26/05. And as late as 3/22/12 John told me by Email That the Charger medallion "project continues" and "I will communicate when I have news". I also have an Email from Chris Lewis on 2/15/13 stating "we are doing better now than ever have as a company". So did U.S. Car Tool go out of business since then? I am aware of the dissolution of John's other company Montclair Technology, Inc. but my credit card statement confirms a payment to US Car Tool. Were there other companies John named U.S. Car Tool, that I am not aware of?
John may have somehow done everything legal, I do't think he did, but I don't know for sure, I am not a lawyer. But hiding behind some legal shenanigans will only make me ask more questions like.
How many people remain needing refunds, (if most were refunded like you say than the worst it should be is $275.00 X 24 = $6,600.00)? After the first 50 people did John take more money from others?
Did John take money from people after he knew the company was going to fail?
How did John choose who gets a refund and who does not?
Were all of the failed company's assets sold to payoff the refunds?
Also what are you going to do with the outer ring mold/tooling, now that it was finally found?
I feel John was not upfront or honest when he took our money. Are we now going to have to ask if we are a cutomer or investor or need to bring a lawyer with us everytime we buy something for our car. If John stays on this path these questions and so many more will keep being brought up, but I'd rather see this matter finally put to rest. So I will ask John Pasemann once again to do the right and honorable thing and pay back everyone that he still owes money to.
Don't let your name be forever linked to the word "scam".
Thanks,
Jim
Posted By: gdonovan
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 11:14 PM
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Don't let your name be forever linked to the word "scam".
Too late at this point and his non-apology just cemented it in place.
Posted By: dOc !
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 11:22 PM
I think JPs "explanation" raises more questions than does answer previous points ....
Posted By: srt
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 11:24 PM
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Just think how easy it would be for USCT to close the lid !!
How could anyone miss this...
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An Apology and the facts
I would like to start with an apology to those folks from the 66-67 Charger community that invested in the medallion project with me. I failed, the project failed and I do apologize to you all.
Facts
In 2003 I began a project to produce the decklid medallion from the 66-67 Charger. At the time, there where no parts being reproduced for these cars and they had become very much in need of parts, primarily any trim parts. I have a long standing love of these cars, my Father brought one home when I was 6 years old, it became my Mom’s every day driver, we went on family vacations in the car and it is still in our family. I set out to manufacture the medallion not because it would be a huge commercial success, but because it was a much needed part for the 66-67 Charger community.
I did some early CAD work on the medallion, investigated various methods of manufacturing the parts and discussed this ideas with several potential tool / die companies. I ultimately found one that would work with me on the short run and had some innovative and creative ideas on manufacturing tooling.
I commissioned a CAD model be developed by them and they prepared a tooling cost estimate from that model. The tooling costs was much greater than I could afford and I turned to the 66-67 Charger community for the investment I needed to produce the tooling and short run of parts.
Today, there are many vehicles for this type of funding, crowd sourcing and kickstarter being two large examples, but in 2004/2005 it was pretty innovative. The thought was pretty simple; get a number of the folks that would benefit from the medallion to invest so we could produce the hard tooling and short production run of the parts. Each person would receive a medallion at below the cost of manufacture and we would sell enough to ultimately break even on the project.
I had some of the funds required to produce the tooling and needed to raise the rest, so I asked the owners of 66-67 chargers to participate and they did. I collected enough investors to place the order for the hard tooling. All the folks that gave me money for the project knew the parts did not exist, that we were going to use their money, along with mine, to produce the tooling and then the parts.
Producing the tooling took longer than expected, the tool / die company I was working with was having hard times of their own (that had nothing to do with our project) but we did ultimately get the tooling delivered, with one large problem. They had miscalculated the size of one of the injection mold cavities and they could not produce the part in their machine.
I searched for an alternative that was within our very small budget and had no luck. I had the hard tooling for the metal part transferred to the foundry and they ran a small sample of parts to validate size and fit. Without the injection molding, we were stuck.
This had taken a long time and at this point, I had stopped predicting a date of when the parts would be ready. It was becoming embarrassing to say “60 more days” and then that date would come and go. At one point, I decided to get the metal parts cast so I would have something for the folks that participated in this project with me. I placed an order with the foundry and received devastating news when I followed up with them after 2 weeks; they could not find our tooling. A lot of time had passed since the initial sample run and they could not locate the tooling.
At this point, I was facing the likely hood of having to produce another set of very expensive tooling and the company that had done it for me initially was closed down. I offered folks refunds and quite a few decided to have me return their initial money. Some decided to continue on the project with me, in the hopes we would be able to get this much needed part for the chargers produced.
I continued to explore options for both the injection molding and the hard tooling. Time was passing and one day I called the foundry again and discussed the dilemma with the owner. He said he would look for the tooling and he called me back in a week or so with the news; he had found the tooling!
But I still had no way to produce the injection molded part and that ultimately was the demise of the project. I have the hard tooling, I have the method to cast the metal ring, I have the tooling for the injection molded part and no way to produce those parts without an enormous cost.
During this time, my small business had been floundering (as many did) and we were mostly out of money. I had invested all my savings into the business and its operations and we were surviving week to week. After working very hard and investing all of my money into the business, I had no choice but to close. I was saddened by the realization that we had failed, and even more so for the last few employee’s that had showed an enormous amount of dedication and worked extremely hard to keep us going up to then.
I took a full time job and used the income to subsidize the business. This worked for a short amount of time, but it became evident that that was not an effective long term strategy. I ultimately closed the business. There were bills that did not get paid when we ended that company and the Medallion project was officially a failure. Most of the investors had received refunds and very few lost their money.
I was able to find new funding and partners to start a new company; manufacturing and selling products we designed. We had previously contracted out the manufacturing and decided we could be successful if it was all done in house. The chassis stiffening products have been well received and we have thousands of customers who are happy and satisfied.
The Charger Medallion project failed, the company and I failed, but there is no scam about it. The rumors of the amount of money I have seen are just wrong. Most of the investment money was returned by me, until I simply was out of money.
Those are the facts. I spent a lot of time and money on the Medallion project and it did not succeed. Some of my investors lost money and I again apologize to you few folks.
John Pasemann
Just saving the post incase it gets deleted.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: Appology and facts - 11/07/13 11:45 PM
John, don't bother making those Dodge truck suspension parts & you may as well sell the truck you bought to do mock up with too because the truck boys won't spend with you now I bet
Posted By: torredcuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/07/13 11:49 PM
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When a company fails (assuming that it is not a sole propritorship) , the investors, the vendors, and the customers all lose out. That's the way it is and the way it has to be. It is not a scam if it is not intentional.
When an honest hard working mans business fails, and he has exausted all of the business' resources and closes the business, it's over.
He is now free to gain new investors an re-start fresh. It would be neither fair or legally prudent to ask the new investors to make good on debts from a defunct company.
It sucks for those who lose their investments, deposits, gift cards, etc. I'm sure it hurts worse for the owners such as John who give it all they have and lose everything.
It needs to be this way, or we would not have the great benefits we gain from the risk takers. Look at Henry Ford, and most of the great men who built the auto industry. Many failures and fresh starts happened before success.
If John started his new business with the same or similar name, that was a big mistake, and he should expect problems like this.
If I was John I would personally (outside of the new company) come to agreement with the op.
If I was the op, I would forget it and move on.
If the company the OP gave money to for a pre-purchase actually did declare bankruptcy and go thru court already then the OP, investors, suppiers and such lost out unless the companies assests were distributed to them. If a bankruptcy did not happen then the company still owes refunds or parts. If it did then technically John owes him nothing but ethically and for his reputation still does.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 12:05 AM
I haven't found anything saying USCT has filed bankruptcy & the OP credit card receipt says USCT & it wasn't his failure company that collected
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 12:15 AM
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I haven't found anything saying USCT has filed bankruptcy & the OP credit card receipt says USCT & it wasn't his failure company that collected
I went to the NC Secretary of State website, US CAR TOOL, LLC filed/created in Jan of 2013. If the OP has an email from Chris dated Feb 2013 about this project in regards to US Car Tool is sure sounds to me like something is wrong here.
https://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/ARReportsList.aspx?PitemId=10162198
Montclaire Technologies is still active, NOT BANKRUPT
http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Corp.aspx?PitemId=9663558
John's name right on it and everything, same address as US Car Tool, but the state has filed a notice in Sep that it is considering an administrative dissolution because he failed to file any annual reports.
Looks to me, and I am not a lawyer, that someone rolled all the assets of Montclair into USCT. But not the debts?
Posted By: Hemi_Joel
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 12:16 AM
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If the company the OP gave money to for a pre-purchase actually did declare bankruptcy and go thru court already then the OP, investors, suppiers and such lost out unless the companies assests were distributed to them. If a bankruptcy did not happen then the company still owes refunds or parts. If it did then technically John owes him nothing but ethically and for his reputation still does.
An entity such as a corperation or an LLC does not have to file bankrupcy to dissolve. Many small business entities are just abandoned and left with no assets and no activity. If the creditors believe that there are assets to be distributed, then they must petition the bankrupcy court to force the company into receivership, take control and distribute the assets accoding to law.
I'm not making any judgement here, just pointing out that a bankrupcy proceedure may not have happened. The old company may still remain as an empty shell, or may have been disolved.
Not the same for a sole proprietorship - in that case bankrupcy is the only way to escape debts without paying them or receiving a voluntary forgivness by the creditors.
Another thing is that an LLC or a corperation is a separate legal entity from its owners and shareholders. The companys debts are not the owners debts. But if the company fails and owner begins voluntarily paying the companies debts out of his own pocket, he may be then be found responsible to pay ALL the companys debts. I would think that JP is aware of this and would be concerned that personally paying $300 of the old companies debt could make him personally responsible for perhaps mountains of bills to vendors, landlord, IRS, etc. Again, I am neither judging or defending and have no first hand knowledge. I'm just speculating.
Edit: after reading the above 2 posts, which happened while I was typing, I'll add the following question: Didn't US Car Tool start in a different state, like NJ or NY, then move to NC? If so, perhaps there is where you will find the business registration for the old company.
Posted By: srt
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 02:24 AM
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Montclaire Technologies is still active, NOT BANKRUPT
Covered previously in this link
Posted By: bigdad
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 02:35 AM
Nice guy this John
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 03:01 AM
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Montclaire Technologies is still active, NOT BANKRUPT
Covered previously in this link
Not sure what you are saying. Notice has been sent and that's where it's at. Still active in the listings.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 03:15 AM
That looks like a scam for sure
Posted By: Rebellion
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 03:39 AM
Alright, grab a tall drink, this one's gonna be lengthy....
Those of you who have been on this board for a considerable time might remember John's first public project offering. Late in 2002-early 2003, he made an offer to the Moparts members; He was developing a car rotisserie. For a limited time those who bought in advance would receive the "group buy" rate and save considerably over the eventual released price. In this way, John would be able to get financing for the project and the members would benefit from the discount. Everybody wins.
I was one of the buyers. I wasn't a member of the Moparts board at the time, but in January 2003, contacted John when I read the thread. Even though I was late, he let me in on the buy. THAT project ended up taking a lot longer than John had planned (I still have the back and forth updates and emails).
At the Mopar Nationals that year I spoke with him as I still hadn't gotten my rotisserie while others had. He apologized for the wait and offered the display rotisserie after it's use at the show. I accepted. John will definitely remember this...we had to break down the rotisserie and stuff it into a Stratus for the ride home! There were pics of this on his website for awhile.
At that time we spoke quite a bit about projects he had in the works or was considering....he was quite excited about the advantages that CNC, laser and other technologies afforded him. He spoke of the driveshaft loops and some Charger parts he was looking into, never mentioning TWO different companies, BTW.
Forward to 2005 Mopar Nationals. John is there with his U.S. Car Tool booth. The booth features his rotisserie display with first generation Charger on it, the driveshaft loop (I believe) and a prototype of the Charger decklid piece on display. Once again, all under one business as displayed at the Nats. If I can find them, I have pictures of that booth.
Johns pitch to me - and obviously those on the '66/'67 Charger board - was very similar to his first proposition. Once he received $275.00 from 50 buyers he would manufacture the decklid medallion. NEVER ONCE WAS THIS APPROACHED AS AN INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY. This was an advance payment on an item purchased. The advance buyers would receive the discount for helping to finance the project and John would receive the benefit of being the only game in town to sell the piece. Sound familiar?
As I had dealt with John before, I knew that there may be a chance that this would take awhile, but I felt things would come through eventually. Since the price seemed more than fair, I went for it. I then waited, and waited, and waited.
I convinced myself that this project must have been very difficult to do (after all, at that time nobody else had it) and waited some more.
Finally years went by and emails weren't answered nor phone calls. This brings us to a simple fact: my money has been stolen by a man that I trusted.
BTW...Amongst my old correspondence with John, I have an April 15, 2003 email update that is signed John Pasemann,
www.USCarTool.com, 974-219-6142. The decklid piece was sold in 2005 in a booth with the same name. If he is claiming a whole other company, where was it?
I'm sorry for the length of this and hope it's not too confusing!
Thanks again for the support folks!
Tom
Posted By: SomeCarGuy
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 04:33 AM
If John shows up at the Nats next year, I bet he has the most interesting booth by far.
Posted By: HMcCandless_Jr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 04:46 AM
As quoted by a good friend of mine who will read this
"it sounds to me like engineering psycho babbling [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean]"
To the person who said this please text me when you read this because I know you just spit your drink through your computer screen.
Posted By: moparmojo
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 04:52 AM
I read the entire post initially and am content with what I wrote as questions to clarify the issue without taking sides. Glad John posted a reply. Some will hate the response and others may not. It reminds me of the foreclosure debate where some were saying people should stop paying their mortgage payments, stay in the house as long as possible, let it get foreclosed on( after drawing it out as long as possible) then simply walk away without a care in the world and no moral responsibility to make good on the contract.leave that for another time perhaps.
Posted By: HairOtheDog
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 05:10 AM
Several posts,
recommend that you,
read the entire thread, not just me,
I suggested it, simply because,
many of your questions/comments were answered already (multiple times even).
Maybe you're "satisfied" with what you wrote,
BUT,
if you're truly wanting answers to your questions/comments, they're in the thread, if you take the time to read it.
Unless...
you aren't actually, looking for answers, in which case...
that's something else entirely,
isn't it?
Either way, read it, or don't, doesn't matter to me,
I'm not looking to "stir-the-pot",
I'm just hoping to see resolution...
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 05:21 AM
It was engineering psyco babble & he believed himself when he typed it.
I knew a guy once who chased investers for his wrecked cars
That joker would climb the highest tower to tell a lie when he could have stood on the ground & told the truth
In all of it there would be pieces of the truth
In the end he made sure everyone got all their money back though
Posted By: HMcCandless_Jr
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 05:47 AM
I just got my text message
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 06:02 AM
JP, your statement reminds me of Barry Grant's tirade on yellow bullet. look what happened to him.
in case you missed it
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68154
Posted By: moparmojo
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 06:03 AM
I guess we will just disagree and since your not in a position to clarify I will just leave it at that.
Posted By: HairOtheDog
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 06:40 AM
Lol
Clarify?! Really?!
Why are you coming at me?
I've read the entire thread
and I'm here for one reason,
to hopefully see some resolution,
not argue with you
Here's some clarification;
The "odd" op, with the "odd story" that "doesn't add up" or "make sense"
isn't the ONLY 1 of the 50 on this thread, there are at least 3 of the 50. (That info is in the thread)
They didn't wait 8yrs, they had communications as late as 12 or 13 from JP, it was 8yrs of excuses from JP.
(That info is also in the thread)
Want more, "clarification"?
Read the thread, I'm not going to be your "cliffs notes" for the entire thread.
As I already stated, read it or don't I don't give a....either way, if you're a JP fanboy, then sing his praises and move on, stop coming at me.
Posted By: BulletBob
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 07:33 AM
Y'all don't disturb the flushing of JP down the Moparts toilet as it need's to be archived & you guys don't want a VAY KAY like Mike was talking about
Posted By: 808CUDA
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 09:20 AM
About time... What goes around comes around... Karma is a
bit@h!
Posted By: vannerjeff
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 12:12 PM
I worked for this guy when he was starting up. what a piece of work. he NEVER had ANY tooling of any kind. he ask me to find him a toolmaker for a injection mold since I had done this kind of work. when he got the quote he said NO WAY cost too much.
have you ever seen a complete car come from his shop???
he never liked doing cars from anyone local. every car we had was from out of state so he could charge the customer for work that was never done.
we had a guy in the shop die and he did not let us go to his services,said there was no time for that. also kept the guys last check, said he did not need it were he was going. we all quit shortly after.
the guys at the shop were all waiting for the day someone would walk thru the door and take him out for stealing there $$$.
ashame this was not posted on yellowbullet.com. the case would be closed by now.
Posted By: CtownChris
Re: U.S. Car Tool " Scam" - 11/08/13 01:58 PM
WOW!