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Disk Brakes on C-body
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10/12/13 11:24 AM
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Hello together, I am looking for some first-hand experience. -Car is a 66 Chrysler New Yorker -factory power drums all around -already converted to a factory dual master With the new 440 I want disk brakes upfront! I know the old 73 disk brake setups, but parts are getting ahrd to find and a little more stopping power would be nice (Germany, hills, Autobahn) anyone tried this setup? http://ssbrakes.com/i-10092670-disc-brak...er-booster.htmlBest regards Florian
1967 Fury III 4door HT
tiny 318, late model roller block, bored and stroked to 344
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: Flo]
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10/12/13 02:06 PM
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Never used SSBC stuff, but those rotors look a bit on the small size for Autobahn runs. Unfortunately, with you being in Germany, your choices are limited. Years ago I was able to use factory parts to convert my 64 300 to 12" rotors, but I doubt you can find that stuff in the junkyard over there.
I will leave comments on the kit you linked to others who may actually have used the stuff. But I would suggest you talk to one of our members here, Dr. Diff, he knows his stuff as does AndyF, either one can point you to the right stuff.
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
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10/12/13 06:01 PM
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I've read about quite some issues at times with SSBC brakes from people who used them. Most seem to evolve around mismatched Mastercylinders and front/back-brake balance. The most important items are the caliperbracket adapters. But if you're handy enough you should be able to design/make them yourself. These adapters fit much easier 'inside' the back of a 11.75" discrotor than a smaller 10.7 rotor. On a fullsize C-body, I personally wouldn't want anything smaller. I made adapters like these for a few of my cars already. Even on the older Chryslers from '60, '62, '64 and a '73 Dart I'm running the same '73 rotors and calipers, mounted on the original drumbrake spindles by use of self-made adapters. Here's the adapters for a '60 Chrysler;  And here for a '64 Chrysler;  A '66 Chrysler will have almost similar adapters as the '64 models, as can be seen by the pic on the SSBC-site.
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: Flo]
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10/13/13 03:59 AM
10/13/13 03:59 AM
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Hi Flo, I wrote an article in the mopar-forum techarchive lat week about a similiar set up from ssbc. it is without the booster and the force 10 aluminum calipers. My problem was that it never stopped good until I changed to a different brake pedal ratio and installed a 15/16" bore master cylinder. in the city it breaks great, but if I drive a little bit faster there is room to improve. apart from that the qualitity is very good, good instructions, the kit comes with everything you need and it is intalled in less than 2 hours. I am thinking about to take the ssbc adapters as a base an to make some new to install regular discs from a 69-73 c-body. Something like Herman (BBM) did. It can not be to complicated. What made a big improvement was th change from ssbc brake pads to yellow stuff. day and night difference! regards Dennis(Dude) 
Last edited by Den300; 10/13/13 04:39 AM.
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: Flo]
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10/13/13 01:59 PM
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I used to make a 13 inch kit for C-body cars. I stopped building the kit since it was really slow seller, but it shouldn't be too hard to duplicate if you want some good brakes.
Last edited by AndyF; 10/13/13 02:00 PM.
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
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10/14/13 03:02 AM
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Andy, we would love to buy your kit here in good old Germany. There is only one problem. If you want the title "classic car" for your mopar, your have to have 14 or 15" wheels. Or anything the factories offered when your car was produced. This gives you the advantage to achieve a lower tax rate. We have to pay taxes for our cars, no matter how old they are. This tax ist roughly 250$ per year for cars older then 30 years. If you got 17" wheels for your disc brake set up, you have to declare your classic mopar as a "normal" car. tax costs: roughly 35$ x every beginning 100ccm. For my 446cui it would be 74 times 35 = 2590 dollar tax per year. Crazy, isnīt it? (446cui = 7310ccm). This is not the end. You also have to pay your insurance, based on your horse power level  combined with a gas price of 8,50$ per gallon. So if anybody could develope somethinf for 15" wheels that stops like crazy with modern calipers, I would buy it 
Hamburg/Germany
69 Chrysler 300
446cui Dual Quad
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: Den300]
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10/14/13 05:13 AM
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Hello together,
thanks for all the replies!
Just like Dennis stated: For insurance/registration reasons only setups for 15" wheels are an option. At least from the outside it needs to be remotely stock or period correct appearance
As far as I take it the SSBC-kit seems to work OK regarding fit of the adapters, calipers and so on? This would stay a setup with power booster anyhow!
I am also somewhat concerned about is brake balance. Does the SSBC setup overbrake the rear really bad? Is it fixable with a regualtor valve?
Best regards
Florian
1967 Fury III 4door HT
tiny 318, late model roller block, bored and stroked to 344
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: Flo]
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10/14/13 09:30 AM
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We have B-body wilwoods in our '67. Pretty easy to modify to fit with basic hand tools.
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: Flo]
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10/14/13 10:13 AM
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So limited to 15" means max 12.19" discs, suggest min of 1.25" thick, unless you want to get real ambitious and go 1.375", but I see little need unless the autobahn begins installing a lot of red lights. Since clearances are tight be sure you take into account your particular wheel if you go 12.19", which is a common size. Wlllwood offers a large cost effective selective, did you mention the amount of daily poor weather driving exposure, since most, not all of the wilwood stuff lacks caliper weather protection. I also would work out the front conversion, test and then decide if rear discs are really needed. 
Last edited by jcc; 10/14/13 10:16 AM.
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
[Re: Flo]
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10/14/13 05:05 PM
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Get brakes built for the autobahn. All it takes is a mill, a lathe, custom wheels, and a bit of creativity. 
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
- Stu Harmon
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
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10/14/13 05:07 PM
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Get brakes built for the autobahn.
[img]http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0711phr_1965_plymouth_belvedere/photo_11.html[/img]
All it takes is a mill, a lathe, custom wheels, and a bit of creativity.
I made my custom brakes with no mill or lathe.. 
(Yes on the custom wheels obviously though.  )
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
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10/15/13 12:19 PM
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Flo
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Hi,
I do not want this to go overboard. This will not become a race car. Most likely the stock 73 setup would be fine. The stuff is just a little hard to come by and I do not have the nerves to piece it together.
Looking for a well working complete kit which fits into 15" wheels.
Best regards
Florian
1967 Fury III 4door HT
tiny 318, late model roller block, bored and stroked to 344
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
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10/15/13 03:29 PM
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Imperial stuff won't work. The bolt pattern and center register are much larger.
The earlier C-body disc brake hubs open up some interesting possibilities. Some of those had rotors that bolt to the back of the hubs using a 5 x 4.5" pattern. You can have a bit more freedom in the rotors used. It will open up some clearance between the back of the wheel spokes and the caliper. Just be sure the discs don't hit the tie rods.
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
- Stu Harmon
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Re: Disk Brakes on C-body
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10/15/13 05:21 PM
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Quote:
Imperial stuff won't work. The bolt pattern and center register are much larger.
The earlier C-body disc brake hubs open up some interesting possibilities. Some of those had rotors that bolt to the back of the hubs using a 5 x 4.5" pattern. You can have a bit more freedom in the rotors used. It will open up some clearance between the back of the wheel spokes and the caliper. Just be sure the discs don't hit the tie rods.
Can't the rotor and hub be changed out?
Randy
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