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D series / truck traction ideas #1511029 10/01/13 08:59 PM 10/01/13 08:59 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,325 Truckville, the capital of NY 85_Ram_4speed OP master
85_Ram_4speed OP master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,325 Truckville, the capital of NY	Looking for some ideas on where to start as far as trying to get my truck to hook up better. '85 D150, 4-speed trans, currently 3.55 gears. obviously stickier tires helps, but anyone have experience trying to get these things to hook better?---hopefully inexpensively too.... I think I most likely will be mounting the 9 1/4 rear above the spring like a car setup, insteads of the stock style under the spring. Currently has 8 1/4 in stock location. Outcast Dodge guy.

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 85_Ram_4speed] #1511030 10/01/13 09:44 PM 10/01/13 09:44 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa 76dodgeboy master
76dodgeboy master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa	Caltracs. Clutch has Great results. His truck is pictured on their site. Otherwise tub it and ring 12-14"wide Slicks

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1511031 10/01/13 10:12 PM 10/01/13 10:12 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 12,291 Kent, Wa 340SHORTY Truck Nut
340SHORTY Truck Nut Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 12,291 Kent, Wa	Less Horsepower If my shorty doesnt sell Im going to make something like Slide a Links.. Im goin to use a set of spring plates, a set of front spring hngers off a 4X4 and some 1" and 1 1/4" round tube I am truckless..

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 340SHORTY] #1511032 10/01/13 11:13 PM 10/01/13 11:13 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa 76dodgeboy master
76dodgeboy master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa	I don't believe he has much hp.

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 85_Ram_4speed] #1511033 10/02/13 04:25 PM 10/02/13 04:25 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,831 east side of Ohio basketcase master
basketcase master Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,831 east side of Ohio	toss two tracter trailer tires with wheels in the bed. that's what I do in the wintertime. Dave 1981 Dodge D150 360 auto

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 85_Ram_4speed] #1511034 10/02/13 04:55 PM 10/02/13 04:55 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	with the A-body 8 3/4 floped on top of springs and a shackle flip I used a set of A-body liftbars from SSM. they are an old skool traction bar that replaces the the shock plate and clamps the end of bar to the leaf springs. it has wedges to use to pre-load them or one side more than the other. I liked them on my truck, it would hook off the line and lift the rear end of truck a couple inches planting the tires for traction. I have them on the shelf for now. will be adding coilovers soon on mine.

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1511035 10/02/13 06:21 PM 10/02/13 06:21 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,981 new jersey usa 1 11secdart master
11secdart master 1 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,981 new jersey usa	I put a cheap set of traction bars( mount also replaces the shock plate) I bought at Carlisle a few years ago, clamped each front spring segment and put in the B body Rancho shocks out of my Dart ( bolted right to the traction bar) I also lowered the rear using long shackles. Along with M/T drag radials it goes consistent mid 2.0 60 fts. running low 15s. 7873850-IMG_0236.JPG (550 downloads) Last edited by 11secdart; 10/02/13 06:25 PM. 68 Dart 410 / 904 92 D150 original owner 21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4 23 Audi Q5 16 Honda HRV

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 11secdart] #1511036 10/02/13 09:16 PM 10/02/13 09:16 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA B BulletBob master
BulletBob master B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA	I had a 78' Shorty with a strong 440 that ran 7.50's in the 1/8 mile consistant with the rear segment trimmed off like a S/S spring with the front segment clamped & finishing nails driven in the bushings to stiffen them A dual battery rack made from heavy angle at the very end of the frame. It held the heaviest 27 group series that I could find A cheap set of traction bars A set of Comp Engineering rear shocks & fronts that fit a A body GM Small block springs in front The teeth ground off every bushing in the front It ran 7.70's with McCreary soft compound treaded tires & hooked well on the street where it was raced the most 7.50's on slicks or with the McCrearys painted & left in the sun for 2 days with diesel or VHT

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: BulletBob] #1511037 10/03/13 12:17 PM 10/03/13 12:17 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 468 Dirty Dena, Maryland dodge turbo mopar
dodge turbo mopar Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 468 Dirty Dena, Maryland	i have caltracs on mine...rear is on top the springs Call them, they'll be at your door within 3 days i would invest in them if you are looking for more power in the future, they are adjustable and are proven traction aids ive been well into the 10's on them and drive my truck every where oh and this on a 30x9 hoosier radial slick so you dont need huge tires also on 295 mickey thompson radials on 9 inches wide on a soft 1.60 60ft....want my stock 8 3/4 to live Last edited by dodge turbo; 10/03/13 12:21 PM. 78 Adventurer 150small block turbo'd 360w/Borg S475....smoke'em

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 85_Ram_4speed] #1511038 10/06/13 02:41 AM 10/06/13 02:41 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,665 Milwaukee, WI Prince_Valiant top fuel
Prince_Valiant top fuel Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,665 Milwaukee, WI	Not sure if it'll work, but since I'm rebuilding the springs.... I'm going to add a half-a-leaf to the front half of my springs. Not much more, won't hurt the ride quality, and will resist wind-up. It's similar to the factory approach on the musclecars of old...and if it doesn't work, cal-tracs most likely We'll see how it turns out 1979 Dodge Lil' Red Express - 360 rwhp, 13.2 @ 103mph 1968 Coronet: 318, 2.76, 15.2 @ 92mph! (SOLD) 1976 Valiant: 360, 3.90, 12.90 @ 106 (SOLD) 1989 Shelby CSX #500/500

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: Prince_Valiant] #1511039 10/06/13 09:19 AM 10/06/13 09:19 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,325 Truckville, the capital of NY 85_Ram_4speed OP master
85_Ram_4speed OP master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,325 Truckville, the capital of NY	Quote: Not sure if it'll work, but since I'm rebuilding the springs.... I'm going to add a half-a-leaf to the front half of my springs. Not much more, won't hurt the ride quality, and will resist wind-up. It's similar to the factory approach on the musclecars of old...and if it doesn't work, cal-tracs most likely We'll see how it turns out Yea. I actually had a very similar idea too as I have a set of extra springs hanging around. It is going to be such a tough comprimise to do what I want to do as far as keeping the street manners and getting it to hook. Cal Tracs do indeed work great, I had the full setup on my '73 Dartsport and it worked great with instant results, But I really wasn't looking to spend that much if possible---Yea, I am being cheap. I was thinking of doing the following, starting at the front, take a leaf with the front eylet and cut it just after where the axle mount pad is. Then take a full leaf and cut the front eyelet off. Then add leafs to get the desired thickness / ride height. All of this is with the axle mounted on top of the springs with the rear shackle flopped around to be more like a car set up. All the caltracs are doing is controling axle windup, figure that part out without them and it will still do the same. The nice thing with them though is you can pre-load the suspension giving you better control, kinda like a poor mans 4-link. Outcast Dodge guy.

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 85_Ram_4speed] #1511040 10/07/13 02:48 AM 10/07/13 02:48 AM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,064 Tennessee 7 727builder super stock
727builder super stock 7 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,064 Tennessee	My last truck hooked great. I put rearend on top of leafsprings. Took the leafsprings apart and added a extra 2nd leaf (Leaf below the main leaf)to each side before putting them back together. Wanted to stiffen them up to limit windup. And to make sure i had clearance between the rearend housing and frame rails. Set pinion angle at 6 degrees down. Truck had a low compression motorhome 440 with small 495 lift solid cam. Still had the motorhome exhaust manifolds flowing into single exhaust. 3.91 gears. The manifolds choked it so bad it would nose over @ 4500-4800 rpms. Got a 8.30 out of it with a 1.76 60ft at our 1/8 mile track last year. Drove it back and forth to the track. Even rode great. I put headers and hooker max flow mufflers on it and it really woke it up but traded it off to a buddy for his race car before our track opened up this season. Sure would have loved to known what would have run after the header swap? Building another stepside for next year the same way. But a better 440 engine combo. Hoping 7.50's on pump gas and can drive it anywhere. Pic is the truck from last year. 7878834-my75truck2.jpg (302 downloads) What a voice!!!! http://www.godvine.com/10-Year-Old-Boy-with-Autism-Sings-Open-the-Eyes-of-My-Heart-1041.html

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 727builder] #1511041 10/07/13 03:01 AM 10/07/13 03:01 AM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,064 Tennessee 7 727builder super stock
727builder super stock 7 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,064 Tennessee	When i did the header swap i also did away with the 35 gal saddle gas tank it had. Built some brackets and put a new 20 gallon 69 mustang gas tank i got off ebay and tucked it up between the frame rails. Cant hardly even see from the rear. Going to do it the same way on the one im building now. 7878836-my75truck5.jpg (165 downloads) What a voice!!!! http://www.godvine.com/10-Year-Old-Boy-with-Autism-Sings-Open-the-Eyes-of-My-Heart-1041.html

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 727builder] #1511042 10/07/13 03:07 AM 10/07/13 03:07 AM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,064 Tennessee 7 727builder super stock
727builder super stock 7 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,064 Tennessee	Built angle iron frame for the tank to bolt to. Those gas tanks comes with a 1" lip all the way around it. And takes about 20 5/16 bolts that bolts it to the angle iron. Can unbolt all of it or removal. Pic was from during mock up. 7878840-my75truck3.jpg (476 downloads) What a voice!!!! http://www.godvine.com/10-Year-Old-Boy-with-Autism-Sings-Open-the-Eyes-of-My-Heart-1041.html

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 727builder] #1511043 10/07/13 03:31 AM 10/07/13 03:31 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 12,291 Kent, Wa 340SHORTY Truck Nut
340SHORTY Truck Nut Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 12,291 Kent, Wa	When I built my shorty I did the same thing with my springs.. Nail the throttle the front end raises, the rear squats, no wheelhop. I am truckless..

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 340SHORTY] #1511044 10/08/13 01:39 AM 10/08/13 01:39 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA B BulletBob master
BulletBob master B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA	We did the Cal Trac thing on my buddy's truck & when he sprayed his 440 out of the hole the back bumper jumped two feet in the air I clamped his springs & put shock bushings on the bolts that contacted the springs Afterward it worked so well that his 8 3/4 got a case of ring gear deflection & got replaced with a 9" Ford His truck sat at stock height & was a ClubCab LWB than ran 11.30's in the 1/4 on the spray

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 340SHORTY] #1511045 10/08/13 02:48 AM 10/08/13 02:48 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,043 State of Confusion hp383 Just a normal tag again
hp383 Just a normal tag again Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,043 State of Confusion	Heres a question about the traction bars... I see many Chevy bars with the 4 hole pad, but they have a funny looking U bolt. Why wouldn't one just use the 4 hole pad for mounting the U bolts like in a typical application? And wouldn't these be the "better" variety to use using the typical U bolts for the axle over leaf spring setup? As opposed to the universal bars that just clamp around the leaf spring. Join the Penguin Liberation Front!! Stop the Hippo Occupation!

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: hp383] #1511046 10/08/13 05:07 AM 10/08/13 05:07 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 12,291 Kent, Wa 340SHORTY Truck Nut
340SHORTY Truck Nut Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 12,291 Kent, Wa	I made a set somewhat like that in high school.. I used a stock plate with the normal U bolts.. They worked fine on my 65 Muskrat.. Scratchy needs to post a pic of his Lift/ T Bars.. I am truckless..

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: hp383] #1511047 10/08/13 07:35 AM 10/08/13 07:35 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,325 Truckville, the capital of NY 85_Ram_4speed OP master
85_Ram_4speed OP master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,325 Truckville, the capital of NY	Quote: Heres a question about the traction bars... I see many Chevy bars with the 4 hole pad, but they have a funny looking U bolt. Why wouldn't one just use the 4 hole pad for mounting the U bolts like in a typical application? And wouldn't these be the "better" variety to use using the typical U bolts for the axle over leaf spring setup? As opposed to the universal bars that just clamp around the leaf spring. The J-bolt, as its called is used to set your air gap / preload into the suspension. I actually have a set of those I think I will modify for the right length and give a shot. I bought them from a friend of mine. On his Super Bee, he said they worked great. On his Dart he couldn't get them to work as well. It is just going to take some experimantation to get something to work though. Outcast Dodge guy.

Re: D series / truck traction ideas [Re: 85_Ram_4speed] #1511048 10/08/13 05:04 PM 10/08/13 05:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,043 State of Confusion hp383 Just a normal tag again
hp383 Just a normal tag again Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,043 State of Confusion	Quote: Quote: Heres a question about the traction bars... I see many Chevy bars with the 4 hole pad, but they have a funny looking U bolt. Why wouldn't one just use the 4 hole pad for mounting the U bolts like in a typical application? And wouldn't these be the "better" variety to use using the typical U bolts for the axle over leaf spring setup? As opposed to the universal bars that just clamp around the leaf spring. The J-bolt, as its called is used to set your air gap / preload into the suspension. I actually have a set of those I think I will modify for the right length and give a shot. I bought them from a friend of mine. On his Super Bee, he said they worked great. On his Dart he couldn't get them to work as well. It is just going to take some experimantation to get something to work though. So do these not hold the axle and spring pack together? If you adjust the J bolt for space on the front, wouldn't that make the clamping of the spring to the axle a bit loose? Join the Penguin Liberation Front!! Stop the Hippo Occupation!

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