46rh is dead. It's ugly in there.
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I dug into a friend's 46rh today. The 165,000 mile truck is a recent low-buck purchase that would not move in any gear. No unusual sounds. He pulled the transmission, drained it, and did a thorough cleaning before bringing it over. He said the pan was full of thick nasty stuff.
The first thing I noticed is that there is a heavy varnish on everything. The second thing was that the fluid was not red. In fact, it looked about like relatively clean engine oil. The fluid in the servos was slightly pinker than the rest. The fluid does not smell burned.
After tearing it down, I found no broken parts. Nothing was burned. A few of the bearings are worn as was the thrust bearing for the rear planetary. All the friction surfaces look serviceable. The filter, however, was absolutely disgusting. The bottom of the drums were caked with garbage. In fact, most things are caked with the stuff. There are signs of rust on many of the parts. The ends of the pinions for the planetary gears are especially nasty.
I did notice slight pitting on the gear and rotor for the pump. Those parts will be replaced.
He has had the converter rebuilt with an upgraded clutch and tighter pitch to better suit the stock Cummins.
Any idea what the culprit might have been? All I can think of is improper lube and a horribly clogged filter.
The fluid and varnish can be seen in this pic:
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Re: 46rh is dead. It's ugly in there.
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All the cooler lines are getting a good flush after seeing the guts of this thing.
I suspected converter clutch failure due to the amount of gunk despite having good friction materials. However, I wasn't there when the rebuilder cut the converter open.
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Re: 46rh is dead. It's ugly in there.
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HOw long had it been sitting without being moved?
Sounds like that's where the rust came from to me.
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I think it sat for a while after the transmission quit. The front drum has minor surface rust on the band contact surface. You can see it in the attached pic.
All I did was tear the transmission down. I was not around when he dropped the pan and cleaned the outside of the transmission.
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Re: 46rh is dead. It's ugly in there.
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To me it looks like it just got hot from sitting and idling, Remember it doesn't pump in park and seeing it's a diesel it probably did that a lot. I would install a manual valve that make's pump in park, Many trans suppliers sell them.
Mike its a 46rh , they didn't put those behinds the Cummins , it's a gasser trans.
They do pump in park , but it's not the same volume like it does in neutral.
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Re: 46rh is dead. It's ugly in there.
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08/25/13 12:19 PM
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To me it looks like it just got hot from sitting and idling, Remember it doesn't pump in park and seeing it's a diesel it probably did that a lot. I would install a manual valve that make's pump in park, Many trans suppliers sell them.
Mike its a 46rh , they didn't put those behinds the Cummins , it's a gasser trans.
They do pump in park , but it's not the same volume like it does in neutral.
My FSM calls the trans a 46rh but it did come out of a Cummins.
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Re: 46rh is dead. It's ugly in there.
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My FSM calls the trans a 46rh but it did come out of a Cummins.
46RH was used behind the small blocks, should be a 48RH.
The "8" indicates higher torque capacity.
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Either way, it's not pretty. Unless it's fluid related I don't see any reason for the failure.
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Re: 46rh is dead. It's ugly in there.
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My FSM calls the trans a 46rh but it did come out of a Cummins.
46RH was used behind the small blocks, should be a 48RH.
The "8" indicates higher torque capacity.
47RH, I dodn't think they were 48 till the release of the HP common rail motors .
My bad and missing that this was behind a cummins .
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Re: 46rh is dead. It's ugly in there.
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Getting that varnish out of there is going to be quite a chore. It's so thick that I had to fight the servos to get them apart after the snap rings were removed.
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