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Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: gregsdart] #1421196
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The best possible setup is the girdle with aluminum caps, and having the caps milled to not require any shims or spacers for proper assembly. Spacers make it a Pain to assemble.
If you don't have a crankshaft yet, a center weighted crank puts the loads more where they belong, across all the bearing caps, not most of it on 2 and 4. My Mega Block had cap walk issues till I bought a center weighted crank.



After going on the BCR web site and taking a good look at the girdle design, it does everything I would expect out of a properly designed girdle kit. It has aluminum caps that need machining for proper realtionship to the girdle(easy assembly, no spacers) plus the caps are additionally supported outside of the maincap bolts with studs going through the girdle. Top shelf product IMHO. The kit I had does not have those two features(machined caps and extra studs)


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Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: Jerry] #1421197
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Well said, Jerry! All the points you made are valid.
My hat is off to anyone trying to make a living selling USA-made parts to the Mopar crowd.

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Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: dogdays] #1421198
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here is some education for those considering any of these reinforcement options... the cap in the pic below is made from 7075 aluminum and is a cross bolted main cap for a hemi. as you can see the crack that formed is all the same location where most of the big block cap failures occur. the crack starts are a radial line shooting outward from the crank bearing journal and ending at the high stressed area where the main stud nut would be located. cast caps fail this way as do stock replacement style caps when the power levels go up. (i can't pin point an HP level because not everyone puts their cars on a dyno or runs at the track.) this cap below also shows tons of evidence of cap walk on the block mating surface.

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Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: Jerry] #1421199
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here is a pic of our girdle caps getting fitted into a 440 block, obviously the block still needs to be cleaned up and this was just mocked up for the picture. in the #3 main you can see the cast block reinforcement buttress. this cast rib is what allows the stress from the main bearing saddle to be distributed to the skirt of the block. our girdle cap mimics this angle and fits along side it without needing any additional machining or grinding. this serves 2 purposes, first it distributes the load seen by the cap into the girdle and across the entire base of the girdle. and two it creates a pocket where the crank rotates and helps to minimize windage losses.

these buttresses are what needs to be machined away in order to install cross bolted main caps on a 440. someone recently asked my how i would install the cross bolted caps and the answer is i wouldn't but if you fitting them there are two critical areas that need to be fit properly. first is the side to side clearance on the block. this needs to be kept to minimum and an interference fit would be better so the block skirt isn't being pulled in adding stress. the second area is that on the buttress you need to machine a flat, so the area relieved looks like an L in the corner of the L you want there to be a radius. as seen in the pick above there is a radius at the bottom area of where the crossbolt would screw in. ideally the cross bolt cap should touch both parts of the legs of the l shape this will help transfer the load away from the crank centerline. (sorry this is really hard to explain and fairly difficult to machine as well).

i am getting ready to do an install video for bcr caps to post up on youtube and i'll throw in some theory and chalk board time for those really interested. if your not you can fast forward through it.

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Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: Jerry] #1421200
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last post i promise. below is the pic of the clearance area between a stock cap and behind it you can see our girdle cap. our girdle caps make contact over the entire length of the girdle not just at two points where the studs are located. also we incorporate the #5 and the #1 cap into the girdle as well.

some guys are even running windage trays and crank scrapers with our girdle and i'll cover that in the install video.

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Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: Jerry] #1421201
04/18/13 06:43 PM
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Beautiful product, made with some Swedish help i think.


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Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: fed] #1421202
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Yes and how is our Swedish friend have not heard from him in a long time. Those design phase days were fun times and and without the Swedish engineering it likely would still be a drawing. When all was said and done we made no improvements to what you see Jerry doing today. Hats off to all that were involved from Dan Vern Jim etc and of course Jerry for keeping this thing alive.

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Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: bcrproducts] #1421203
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Just wanted to announce the new pricing for the girdle kits

girdle kits $625.00

girdle caps $350.00

i put all the details in the hot deals section and we are still honoring the moparts 10% off until the end of the sale.


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Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: Jerry] #1421204
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Just wanted to announce the new pricing for the girdle kits

girdle kits $625.00

girdle caps $350.00

i put all the details in the hot deals section and we are still honoring the moparts 10% off until the end of the sale.




So, I'm guessing the girdle kit includes the caps?

Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: 451Mopar] #1421205
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yes the girdle kits include the main caps, arp studs, and oil pan rail studs and nuts as well as the main cap to girdle studs and nuts


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Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: Jerry] #1421206
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Thats too cheap!!

Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: Jerry] #1421207
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yes the girdle kits include the main caps, arp studs, and oil pan rail studs and nuts as well as the main cap to girdle studs and nuts




I think that is less than what I paid several years ago. Good deal!

Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: 451Mopar] #1421208
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Yes that is cheaper than when I was building them Jerry has done a great job taking this product to the next level. He has ramped up production and is getting this product out more than $100 cheaper than i did ten years ago!!
Way to go Jerry the Mopar crowd is very pleased!!

Greg

Re: BB girdle with stock caps good as cross-bolted conv? [Re: bcrproducts] #1421209
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hopefully by this time next week the ebay store will be up and running as well to streamline ordering for everyone. so anyone who doesn't have a tech question can just point click and buy.


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