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Getting ready for sub-connectors #1411609 03/30/13 07:31 PM 03/30/13 07:31 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 898 Georgia 72440CUDA OP super stock
72440CUDA OP super stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 898 Georgia	Well, I've had these prototype US Car Tool subframe connectors sitting in in my garage since they hit the market (6-7 years ago?) I'm finally ready to install them. I have my interior gutted, except for the dash and a seat so I can still drive it. I just got back from the body shop and had them put the car on a lift and tram-gauge it to make sure everything is square and level. Everything is good. They are letting me do the work at their shop on a weekend, so that will save me on the labor My question is, since the car is pretty much at full weight and won't be on a rotisserie... is it better to weld these in with the car on a lift (suspension drooped), or to have the weight on the tires up on a lifted frame rack? This will be my first installment of chassis rigidity.

Re: Getting ready for sub-connectors [Re: 72440CUDA] #1411610 03/30/13 07:43 PM 03/30/13 07:43 PM
Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 216 E. Okla line M m88mark enthusiast
m88mark enthusiast M Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 216 E. Okla line	4 post lift, on tires. Mark

Re: Getting ready for sub-connectors [Re: m88mark] #1411611 03/30/13 09:14 PM 03/30/13 09:14 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 39 Beeton Ontario. Canada B BigSugar member
BigSugar member B Joined: May 2005 Posts: 39 Beeton Ontario. Canada	I would level the chassis left to right and unload the bulk of suspension and engine weight, with more stands. support the chassis at eight points. front crossmember, rear crossmember and at the forward section of the chassis and the rear. The chassis is the foundation of the suspension , Subframe connectors and Torque boxes are to beef up the foundation. If you Chassis or Unibody is under load from the suspension it may not be true and square, Losts of Mopars rubnning around with bad rear leafs and misadjusted torsion bars. While your under thee gusset your steering box with a little triangular piece of heavy gauge, and if your up to it add the reinforcing plate to the underside of your LCA (Mancni , Firm Feel) Ron

Re: Getting ready for sub-connectors [Re: BigSugar] #1411612 03/30/13 09:27 PM 03/30/13 09:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 813 Ontario,Canada brads70 super stock
brads70 super stock Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 813 Ontario,Canada	I bought a set of those too and quickly gave up on them and sold them. Too much work to fit them to the floor IMO. I then made my own from 1X2 square tubing cost be $10!

Re: Getting ready for sub-connectors [Re: 72440CUDA] #1411613 04/01/13 12:13 PM 04/01/13 12:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,394 Pikes Peak Country T TC@HP2 master
TC@HP2 master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,394 Pikes Peak Country	If your car is complete, assembled, and in driving condition, install them with the weight on the four tires to maintain the intergity of all the panel alignment. If its apart and under construction, square it up and make it as flat and plumb as possibe by using up to 9 jackstands to loacte everything. There is a reason competition cars are welded up on a chassis plate, but, the vast majority of us do not need that much precision in the foundation of our classics that are only weekend cruisers.

Re: Getting ready for sub-connectors [Re: TC@HP2] #1411614 04/01/13 01:56 PM 04/01/13 01:56 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 898 Georgia 72440CUDA OP super stock
72440CUDA OP super stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 898 Georgia	Quote: If your car is complete, assembled, and in driving condition, install them with the weight on the four tires to maintain the intergity of all the panel alignment. If its apart and under construction, square it up and make it as flat and plumb as possibe by using up to 9 jackstands to loacte everything. There is a reason competition cars are welded up on a chassis plate, but, the vast majority of us do not need that much precision in the foundation of our classics that are only weekend cruisers. This is sort of what I was thinking

Re: Getting ready for sub-connectors [Re: brads70] #1411615 04/27/13 10:35 PM 04/27/13 10:35 PM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 52 Texas S shart70rt member
shart70rt member S Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 52 Texas	I finally got mine in, but ridiculous amount of grinding and cutting on them was necessary to make them fit. Poor product in my opinion. 70 Go Mango Charger RT White Vinyl Top 18 Spline 4 speed Lakewood Scatter Shield/ Centerforce DF Clutch, Hydraulic bearing 505 Stroker, dual 600's, hyd roller cam - 525 hp, 640 torque

Re: Getting ready for sub-connectors [Re: brads70] #1411616 04/28/13 04:23 PM 04/28/13 04:23 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 223 indy E edco440 enthusiast
edco440 enthusiast E Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 223 indy	Quote: I bought a set of those too and quickly gave up on them and sold them. Too much work to fit them to the floor IMO. I then made my own from 1X2 square tubing cost be $10! Exactly the same scenario with me. I sold mine off and am going to use 1X2 Square tubing,, welded on my Bend-Pak 16 HDX

Re: Getting ready for sub-connectors [Re: shart70rt] #1411617 05/02/13 12:19 PM 05/02/13 12:19 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,578 sweden 1 1Fast340 master
1Fast340 master 1 Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,578 sweden	Quote: I finally got mine in, but ridiculous amount of grinding and cutting on them was necessary to make them fit. Poor product in my opinion. agreed,these cars tolerances are all over the place,its actualy a miracle that anything fits them as intended from time to time

Re: Getting ready for sub-connectors [Re: 1Fast340] #1411618 05/03/13 08:35 AM 05/03/13 08:35 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,577 Long Island, NY USA B BergmanAutoCraft master
BergmanAutoCraft master B Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,577 Long Island, NY USA	Much easier to weld with the suspension hanging. As long as the car is well supported I've never had an issue. In theory it would be nice to weld on a four post, but I don't know how you would get to the outside to weld properly. That said I am wrapping up an A body is car tool install. Frame connectors take 3 hrs per side of prep for welding, plus R and R carpet, etc.

Re: Getting ready for sub-connectors [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #1411619 05/03/13 12:03 PM 05/03/13 12:03 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 898 Georgia 72440CUDA OP super stock
72440CUDA OP super stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 898 Georgia	I've been contacted by a member from US Car Tool. They said there have been improvements to their design and that I can send mine back in exchange for their updated (better fitting) model I'm tempted to go with the full kit

Re: Getting ready for sub-connectors [Re: 72440CUDA] #1411620 05/03/13 08:40 PM 05/03/13 08:40 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	I made my own out of 2x3 tube. Total install time was a few hours per side.

Re: Getting ready for sub-connectors [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1411621 05/07/13 09:55 PM 05/07/13 09:55 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,180 upstate western ny sogtx master
sogtx master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,180 upstate western ny	Getting ready for a hotchkis sale https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2TVoO...0429-MOTION.gif

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