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Re: SB aftermarket main caps, waste of money? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1401864
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After seeing a stock 360 block at Bob Georges that had the extra two bolts added I wouldn't even do it if someone offered to do it for free. It still gives me a good laugh.


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Re: SB aftermarket main caps, waste of money? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1401865
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Little off topic, but why aren't aluminum caps utilized on the sb like many use on the bb's?


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Little off topic, but why aren't aluminum caps utilized on the sb like many use on the bb's?




Because the cylinders fall out before the caps walk/distort.


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Re: SB aftermarket main caps, waste of money? [Re: Guitar Jones] #1401867
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Take this for what it is, but I would not put 4 bolt caps on a stock block. I just don't think it's worth the time or money spent for actual strength gain. However, I would put billet 2 bolt caps (2 through 4) on a stock block if I thought it was needed for the application. How was your last block done?

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Re: SB aftermarket main caps, waste of money? [Re: Guitar Jones] #1401868
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Trying to figure things out on my new LA SB, are aftermarket main caps woth it or should I just stick with the stock caps. We've all heard the 4 bolt caps weaken the block but does anyone have any actual experience with this? Any help is appreciated.


Got about 16 runs on mine so far with no problems (probably in the 650HP range). Block is filled though.

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I've got a set of two bolt caps that BCR did many moons ago. They aren't pretty, but our main bearing looked really good in our 340 stroker everytime we tore it down.

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These were from the original company. The holes were crooked in a couple caps and we had to ream and elongate a couple holes for proper fitment. Pain in the butt, but other than that they seemed pretty stout.


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Mike makes a set of 2 bolt caps FYI.

Link here

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Mike makes a set of 2 bolt caps FYI.

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They look nice, thanks for the info.


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Re: SB aftermarket main caps, waste of money? [Re: Guitar Jones] #1401873
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Mike makes a set of 2 bolt caps FYI.

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They look nice, thanks for the info.




I think that is your answer for a stock block.Looks good with the gridle.


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Re: SB aftermarket main caps, waste of money? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1401874
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After seeing a stock 360 block at Bob Georges that had the extra two bolts added I wouldn't even do it if someone offered to do it for free. It still gives me a good laugh.




That's the point,it's wortlhless on a stock webbed block.There is no material to hold the bolts and sometime adding the 3/8 outer bolt can crack the block webbing.I used the four bolt caps on another block with out using the bolts and that engine ran 9.50s with no issues.

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Mike makes a set of 2 bolt caps FYI.

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They look nice, thanks for the info.




I think that is your answer for a stock block.Looks good with the gridle.




If that would make the block safe to 700hp that should be good for quite awhile then. I'm thinking this engine should make at least 650 and maybe 675 but I'm not going to turn it over 7500 and more likely only about 7000.

Thanks to all for the info and suggestions.


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After seeing a stock 360 block at Bob Georges that had the extra two bolts added I wouldn't even do it if someone offered to do it for free. It still gives me a good laugh.




That's the point,it's wortlhless on a stock webbed block.There is no material to hold the bolts and sometime adding the 3/8 outer bolt can crack the block webbing.I used the four bolt caps on another block with out using the bolts and that engine ran 9.50s with no issues.




Same issue trying to do it to a stock 440 block. Just not enough meat there to do any good.


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Re: SB aftermarket main caps, waste of money? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1401877
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Re: SB aftermarket main caps, waste of money? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1401878
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After seeing a stock 360 block at Bob Georges that had the extra two bolts added I wouldn't even do it if someone offered to do it for free. It still gives me a good laugh.




That's the point,it's wortlhless on a stock webbed block.There is no material to hold the bolts and sometime adding the 3/8 outer bolt can crack the block webbing.I used the four bolt caps on another block with out using the bolts and that engine ran 9.50s with no issues.




Same issue trying to do it to a stock 440 block. Just not enough meat there to do any good.


I went along with my machinists opinion, which was opposite the above - over 600HP on a stock block he suggested it along with a filled block, forged rotating assembly. He was not a fan of girdles for sm blks based on what was available. As I said, I only have about 16 runs on it so the verdict is still out IMO. Screamed it up to 7700 once and 7500 several times. Have since switched to different gears as I was running out of motor too soon - obviously .


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So I messaged Mike at MRL about those main caps and this was his response.

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We no longer make them. The company I was working with has since gone under and I can not find anyone who will make them for a reasonable price, as of yet. Sorry.

BTW, they have been field tested to 700hp in a stock 360 block, and its still going strong to this day. That was back in 2009.




So that idea is out the window.


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Re: SB aftermarket main caps, waste of money? [Re: Guitar Jones] #1401880
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not necessarily. we can turn out a few sets reasonably. let me know what you need, what material, 2 bolt probably.

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not necessarily. we can turn out a few sets reasonably. let me know what you need, what material, 2 bolt probably.

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Thanks Jerry, I sent you a PM, you may even want to talk to Mike at MRL.


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Re: SB aftermarket main caps, waste of money? [Re: BPE] #1401882
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Take this for what it is, but I would not put 4 bolt caps on a stock block. I just don't think it's worth the time or money spent for actual strength gain. However, I would put billet 2 bolt caps (2 through 4) on a stock block if I thought it was needed for the application. How was your last block done?

Rod


2 bolt program caps on apr studs... well over 600 passes to 7500 and mains look new...all the oil mods and bushed lifters

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....and as I've pointed out in previous posts on this subject. Jerry's "BCR" product and my originals are two different pieces all together. Personally I think the two bolt cap is what you're after.

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