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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!! [Re: ECS] #137362
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I've found the different color on the underlying paint in a trunk several times before.
I don't know the gun handling procedures they used regarding different colors, but I've wondered if they "sprayed out" a previous color in the trunk.
Also, were cars painted the same color done in batches? Or did they actually have guns for each color?... seems unlikely.

I've also seen a stripe of a contrasting color on the sail panel of a vinyl roof car. (Again, an underlying coat.) This one I had theorized could've been a reminder or sort of a "stop sign" to the painter not to paint the roof.
Interesting stuff that might not of been documented procedure or at least not I've seen in what I've looked at.

Ref: 1100mi. Camaro... I'd like to see that car after a couple days of careful cleanup. It looks like the car sat for years with a window or two open. If you look at the buckle tongue you can see how thick the dust is where it appears to have been disturbed. The pedals don't look worn as much as dirty... a short trip with muddy shoes?
Or was a burned out electric drill found on the bench next to the car?
We're all just speculating looking at pictures...
It would be a wonderful car to check out in person!

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I doubt that behind the seat area was painted by anyone else other than the factory. The trunk in that car is so poorly covered with painted it was probably noticed by QC and the just went in a sprayed with a spray bomb or a low pressure gun.


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Hi Rick,
Thank you for interjecting your experiences with paint procedures and findings on these cars. This was new to me and definitely un-chartered territory in the world of Mopars. I know a gentlemen that painted the Corvettes when the plant was in St. Louis and he talked about this type of thing as a normal occurrence on those cars. Concerning the Camaro, I was not in any way trying to dismiss or critique the condition of the vehicle. I personally would never comment on specifics or judge a car unless I had seen it in person.
I did spend yesterday afternoon with a GM rep who personally knows Charlie and is familiar with the details concerning that vehicle. He said the thing that really hurts the car is the undercoat job that was done after it left the factory. Apparently holes were drilled in body panels to gain access for the undercoat and areas were covered that concealed many of the factory markings. My foundations started with GM and I really love and appreciate the F Body cars. Not too long ago I sold my 1969 Z/28 Camaro that had only 5246 original miles. It was also a nice example of a survivor car. I am starting to regret ever letting it go. Oh well!

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I doubt that behind the seat area was painted by anyone else other than the factory. The trunk in that car is so poorly covered with painted it was probably noticed by QC and the just went in a sprayed with a spray bomb or a low pressure gun.




Hi Mauro,
Your assessment might be correct. We don’t know why this was done (paint) but it doesn’t make sense that someone would spray just the brace and nothing else. The trunk has a lot of bare metal that has little to no flash rust at all. Whatever environment the braces were exposed to, the same conditions would apply or be similar for the other surrounding metal. I can't imagine that the previous owner(s) would have sprayed the braces but left so many other exposed bare metal areas if they were concerned with rust. The only flash rust is where the defogger “leaked” or blew moist air when it was turned on. You can see the pattern in the pictures where the air flow appears to have bypassed the mounting surface of the unit. The moisture/condensation probably accumulated in the corrugated duct work and blew out when the defogger motor was turned on. The braces are not close to the air flow pattern of the rear defogger so there would be no reason for that particular area to be rusted any more than the other (surrounding) bare metal areas.

Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!! [Re: ECS] #137366
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were the wire and whatever the bracing is supporting (with the overspray) in the car at the time of painting?

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Chrysler's paint proscess standard says waste paint mixed to a dark shade can be used in place of the sealer coat on interior and under hood areas. One of the last cars I striped had a dark blue/gray metallic under the body color in the engine bay.
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wire no
Brace yes


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The original headlights in this car are Tung Sol. (TS) Has anyone else seen this type of light used in the 1970 model vehicles? Most that we have documented are the General Electric style.


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Did you see this? Lots of good reference here.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Dar...5fCarsQ5fTrucks


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A few more details..... Notice how the original grill retainers have a recessed crater in the center. The NOS versions have a smooth dome without any inclusions or divots in the middle.




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Why the different color clamps? Must be hard to stay on TOP of all these details.

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Why the different color clamps? Must be hard to stay on TOP of all these details.



Quick size identification....
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Can i get the measurements of that sheetmetal peice that goes behind the heater hoses on the firewall. (it's the square peice held in with the sheetmetal screw) My car is missing that part, It looks easy enough to make. Thanks


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The original headlights in this car are Tung Sol. (TS) Has anyone else seen this type of light used in the 1970 model vehicles? Most that we have documented are the General Electric style.




It would be interesting to look at the back of the bulbs and checkout the date codes. Also check to see if they are 6012 or 6014 bulbs.

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I will try and get the measurements this weekend. I wonder how many cars are missing this part because it was discarded the first time the hoses or heater core was changed? After we take things apart I will take pictures showing the hole sizes and document the thickness of the metal. It might be a good part to reproduce for others who are missing this piece.

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Also check to see if they are 6012 or 6014 bulbs.




Hi Snoop! I will check that and let you know. What are the differences between the two numbers? Was it a visual or functional variation?

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Thank you ECS, I think you could sell alot of them, and they would be a cheap part to manufacture..


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Thank you ECS, I think you could sell alot of them, and they would be a cheap part to manufacture..




Thanks Lou! We have made many parts/decals that have never made it on the list of “hot” or best selling items. I will definitely manufacture this piece and even if only a couple of people can benefit from the efforts, I will certainly consider it a success! Is anyone aware of other vehicles that used this small plate? (We will also provide the foam sealing pad that goes behind the part.)

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Thank you ECS, I think you could sell alot of them, and they would be a cheap part to manufacture..




Thanks Lou! We have made many parts/decals that have never made it on the list of “hot” or best selling items. I will definitely manufacture this piece and even if only a couple of people can benefit from the efforts, I will certainly consider it a success! Is anyone aware of other vehicles that used this small plate? (We will also provide the foam sealing pad that goes behind the part.)




Most non A/C a-bodies 67 to at least 72. Could earlier and later applications.

I didn't think they were hard to find. If I go to the junk yard today I'll see if the two cars have theirs left from last week.

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Most non A/C a-bodies 67 to at least 72.




Thanks Steve. It looks to be a reinforcement plate of some type. The firewall doesn’t appear to be any weaker in that area as compared to other Chrysler vehicles that I have researched. Does anyone know why the A Body cars used this plate but other cars did not?

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