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408 stroker build - which windage tray? #1346117 12/04/12 09:55 PM 12/04/12 09:55 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas PAINT IT BLACK OP Got a CHIP on my shoulder
PAINT IT BLACK OP Got a CHIP on my shoulder Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas	Is there a windage tray that will work out of the box with my 360 (5.9) Magnum block and a 4" stroke (Eagle crank)? If not, what are guys using? Thanks in advance.

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #1346118 12/04/12 10:35 PM 12/04/12 10:35 PM
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WHITEDART master W Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,036 bean town ....Ca	I think I used a moroso 360 tray and bent it till the thing fit right not the best but it works In the 8s N/A.with Brett miller W8's 5.07 at 133 at 2700lb

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #1346119 12/05/12 12:09 AM 12/05/12 12:09 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,894 Florida Locomotion master
Locomotion master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,894 Florida	Crank scraper, preferably with a 7-8 qt. pan but running less than that. Scraper may need "fitting". Ishihara-Johnson Crank Scrapers

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: Locomotion] #1346120 12/05/12 12:36 AM 12/05/12 12:36 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,497 PA moparacer top fuel
moparacer top fuel Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,497 PA	Quote: Crank scraper, preferably with a 7-8 qt. pan but running less than that. Scraper may need "fitting". Ishihara-Johnson Crank Scrapers Moroso deep pan and no tray or scraper for me. 67 Barracuda street/bracket car 11.27-119 68 Dart 502 BB 8.70s-152 414 cid SB Dragster 7.65-174

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: moparacer] #1346121 12/05/12 04:52 AM 12/05/12 04:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	Quote: Quote: Crank scraper, preferably with a 7-8 qt. pan but running less than that. Scraper may need "fitting". Ishihara-Johnson Crank Scrapers Moroso deep pan and no tray or scraper for me. same here. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: dartman366] #1346122 12/05/12 04:46 PM 12/05/12 04:46 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas PAINT IT BLACK OP Got a CHIP on my shoulder
PAINT IT BLACK OP Got a CHIP on my shoulder Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas	Do you guys use a different pickup tube in deep sump applications? I have a Milodon street, low profile 7 qt pan so it's not MUCH deeper than stock. Last edited by PAINT IT BLACK; 12/05/12 04:47 PM.

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #1346123 12/05/12 04:51 PM 12/05/12 04:51 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas PAINT IT BLACK OP Got a CHIP on my shoulder
PAINT IT BLACK OP Got a CHIP on my shoulder Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas	I read up on the benefits of a scraper and I already have decided to at least use a windage tray. This car gets essentially no track time but I misbehave quite frequently on the street. I typically run it up to 5800-6k every time I drive it, so oil is pretty sloshy on every outing.

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #1346124 12/05/12 05:19 PM 12/05/12 05:19 PM
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sixpackbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	Stay away from a tray on a little block. Robs power. 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: sixpackbee] #1346125 12/05/12 05:43 PM 12/05/12 05:43 PM
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Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,872 Weddington, N.C.	I tend to agree I've never seen any ET improvements with a tray or scraper on a small block, but I would think a mesh screen type tray could help some to catch some of the 'roping, I run a rear sump truck pan on mine though. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: Streetwize] #1346126 12/05/12 07:48 PM 12/05/12 07:48 PM
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emarine01 master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	8 quart pan w/6 qts of oil... seems to work fine with big fat alu rods

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #1346127 12/05/12 10:45 PM 12/05/12 10:45 PM
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471Magnum master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,719 Space Station #5	Kevco pan with built in scraper and no tray. It's a good pan for the street since it does not sacrifice much ground clearance. Holds a couple more quarts than stock and has extensive baffling. Relatively cheap too. I think the general consensus over the last few years is that windage trays are overrated. -Jim I can fix it... my old man is a television repairman. He's got the ultimate set of tools... I can fix it. Currently Mopar-less

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: dartman366] #1346128 12/05/12 10:53 PM 12/05/12 10:53 PM
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Thread Ender1 master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,679 owt west	Me too

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: dartman366] #1346129 12/05/12 10:54 PM 12/05/12 10:54 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,679 owt west Thread Ender1 master
Thread Ender1 master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,679 owt west	Quote: Quote: Quote: Crank scraper, preferably with a 7-8 qt. pan but running less than that. Scraper may need "fitting". Ishihara-Johnson Crank Scrapers Moroso deep pan and no tray or scraper for me. same here. me too

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: 471Magnum] #1346130 12/06/12 01:41 PM 12/06/12 01:41 PM
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MarkZ Worthy Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,406 Michigan	Quote: Kevco pan with built in scraper and no tray. It's a good pan for the street since it does not sacrifice much ground clearance. Holds a couple more quarts than stock and has extensive baffling. Relatively cheap too. I think the general consensus over the last few years is that windage trays are overrated. I'm using one on my 360. I think it set me back $230 and will be used on the 408 build (whenever I get around to that). 7qt, baffled, and doesn't sit any lower and than a factory pan. 1987 Fifth Avenue - 512/518/D60

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: 471Magnum] #1346131 12/06/12 01:45 PM 12/06/12 01:45 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,415 Toronto M mshred master
mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,415 Toronto	Quote: Kevco pan with built in scraper and no tray. It's a good pan for the street since it does not sacrifice much ground clearance. Holds a couple more quarts than stock and has extensive baffling. Relatively cheap too. I think the general consensus over the last few years is that windage trays are overrated. Have a picture of your pan? I run a kevko as well. and when I pulled it out of the box the sorry excuse for a crank scraper had me laughing out loud...Wondering if mine looks any different from yours? thanks

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: mshred] #1346132 12/06/12 02:39 PM 12/06/12 02:39 PM
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moparacer top fuel Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,497 PA	The further you get the oil sump away from the crank the better, baffle it so you have oil control on acceleration and decel, and let it eat. 67 Barracuda street/bracket car 11.27-119 68 Dart 502 BB 8.70s-152 414 cid SB Dragster 7.65-174

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: moparacer] #1346133 12/06/12 04:12 PM 12/06/12 04:12 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas PAINT IT BLACK OP Got a CHIP on my shoulder
PAINT IT BLACK OP Got a CHIP on my shoulder Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas	Anyone have a pic of a properly baffled pan? My Milidon had some baffles, but they seem to be minimal.

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #1346134 12/06/12 04:23 PM 12/06/12 04:23 PM
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10.90 Racer super street Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,409 Ont. Canada	Quote: Anyone have a pic of a properly baffled pan? My Milidon had some baffles, but they seem to be minimal. The Moroso pans are a good example...... I run no tray in my 408, 8 qt pan(5qts in it)...... In my 360 I will be running the same pan, but scraper and a modifided stock windage tray. I took a stock tray windowed it and welded in screens....

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: 10.90 Racer] #1346135 12/06/12 06:01 PM 12/06/12 06:01 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas PAINT IT BLACK OP Got a CHIP on my shoulder
PAINT IT BLACK OP Got a CHIP on my shoulder Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas	Why would you run no oil control besides baffling on the 408 but do it on the 360? Just curious.

Re: 408 stroker build - which windage tray? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #1346136 12/06/12 06:08 PM 12/06/12 06:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas PAINT IT BLACK OP Got a CHIP on my shoulder
PAINT IT BLACK OP Got a CHIP on my shoulder Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas	Here's a pic of my Milodon. The pickup resides just fractions of an inch away from the bottom when installed. It seems to me that the motor will never starve for oil when subjected to any g forces, but I am still pondering foaming and oil adding to the rotating mass. The Morose pan seems to be constructed similarly, though I see they incorporate a provision for the dipstick (duh, Milodon!). The Moroso also seems to extend the baffling further inward, but not by much. I'd add that the Milodon pan is superior on the sides where the body of the pan extends further than the opening, creating some lateral baffling where the Moroso doesn't seem to have that feature. I am open to anyone's input on this pan (I'd consider welding in more baffling if necessary), but I will say that I am not considering replacing the pan for another as I like this ones low profile and appearance and it fits great in my e body.... Though I found out it requires removal of both TTI headers to drop the pan (bummer!!!) Note: I notched one baffle to allow room for my dip stick. 7491858-image.jpg (129 downloads)

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