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Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1334646 11/13/12 07:48 PM 11/13/12 07:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,902 Athens, Greece Pyper70 master
Pyper70 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,902 Athens, Greece	Quote: Either just V8 it and don't flush money down the toilet on the slant or simply find a good 1bbl carb to put on it and live with it. I would be searching for a 92-95 dodge 2wd truck or ram van with the 5.2 or 5.9 magnum. 2wd 5.2's are not that hard to find. Drop the motor and trans into your truck. You will get double the power with same or better mpg with the 5.2 and the overdrive transmission. I say 92-95 because those are the easiest years to retrofit into your ride. 96+ the transmission and computer changed making the swap much more difficult. I don't disagree with your post. in 2002 when I was doing this, the mods really weren't out there or cost effective at the time...Now they are. I would love to build a Slant Turbo setup one day but again, as aforementioned, you can't also not take into account the mpg of a 5.9L and the towing capability, the longevity of parts. You can buy a new part instead of scouring the boneyards looking for that linkage extension...and sometimes...its the same price. I sometimes wish that I didn't bolt a CH28 to my 440 and instead gone with an EFI Setup. But it is notoriety, its being different....and thats what this is all about. Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1334647 11/13/12 11:38 PM 11/13/12 11:38 PM
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Winchester 73 member W Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA	Quote: I have an intake and kickdown if you decide to go with a 2bbl and if you buy his two barrel ill toss you a little cash for youe one barrel setup

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: Winchester 73] #1334648 11/13/12 11:57 PM 11/13/12 11:57 PM
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Winchester 73 member W Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA	Quote: Quote: I have an intake and kickdown if you decide to go with a 2bbl and if you buy his two barrel ill toss you a little cash for youe one barrel setup i had a long bed dodge with a 3 speed stick electric fan recurved dist and not much else and it woild smoke really wide tires! is yours a 727?if so its eating lots of power. got smog pump? got cat vonv? 80s had smaller hydr cams iirc the fun thing about slants is that you feel evrything you touch.2bbl swap nets about 10% power improvement!ever put a junkyard intake on a smallblock and get a 40 horsepower improvement?a slant six will teach you discipline with not throwing power in the trash.with a slant six a person learns what a hundred hp really is and what can be done with it.

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: Winchester 73] #1334649 11/14/12 12:24 AM 11/14/12 12:24 AM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa 76dodgeboy master
76dodgeboy master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa	I have a 1bbl intake/carb also on a 3spd/od truck. The whole motor is available

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: Winchester 73] #1334650 11/14/12 09:29 AM 11/14/12 09:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes... Pale_Roader Swears too much
Pale_Roader Swears too much Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes...	Quote: the fun thing about slants is that you feel evrything you touch.2bbl swap nets about 10% power improvement!ever put a junkyard intake on a smallblock and get a 40 horsepower improvement?a slant six will teach you discipline with not throwing power in the trash.with a slant six a person learns what a hundred hp really is and what can be done with it. Hahahahahaha. That might mean a bit more if we weren't dealing with cars that start with 3000lb curb weights... But i get what you mean. My 70 Challenger was born with and retains it original 225/3speed. I want to daily drive it ASAP, but the budget keeps getting in the way. Even the stingiest ov welfare V8 swaps (and i have ALL the parts) is going to end up costing me. I bought the car because it was a slant-six car... but the more desperate i get the more i'm starting to wish it was even a 318 car. Too much to do. I've swatted around the idea ov driving the 225 for now... but the power... even with the above mods... is going to get old in about 7 minutes. To really wake it up is going to cost more than just dropping my V8 in there... and its still gonna sound like an outboard motor on an [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] canoe. I keep clicking on all these slant six threads hoping for some easy solution or 'demon tweak' to make it viable... but you guys just aren't helping! Hahahahaha The fact my brother went ALL-OUT on his 69 Valiant's 225 (ported head, big solid, header, exhaust elect ign, big carb, 4bbl intake, balance/blueprinted, serious compression, blah blah) and still ended up with a slow car that got horrible mileage doesn't help. Fun car. Really fun. Sounded neat (and i wont admit that to too many people), very well tuned and driven... but certainly not worth the money. Clifford has it right... 6 CAN equal 8. What he doesn't tell you is that it equals a 225cid V8.... which... would still be slow. I'll still keep clicking on these threads... maybe someone will convince me yet to keep the 6...

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: Pale_Roader] #1334651 11/14/12 09:29 AM 11/14/12 09:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes... Pale_Roader Swears too much
Pale_Roader Swears too much Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes...	And i cannot believe this stupid filter edited that. Come ON...

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: Pale_Roader] #1334652 11/14/12 11:31 AM 11/14/12 11:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,643 S.E.Ohio Magnumguy I Live Here
Magnumguy I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,643 S.E.Ohio	I have an 81 Cordoba, teetering on whether to sell it or mess with it some. 1 barrel slanty, not really peppy and I believe the carb's the issue. Runs fine, but has hot start issues also "some" have said the Carter is inferior to the Holley 1 barrel. Any insight on that? Mine does the ~starts easy, but when it's hot, loads up bad and you have to "clean" it out when restarting~ issue. Last edited by Magnumguy; 11/14/12 11:33 AM. "Multiple Magnum owner since 1978!!" https://www.facebook.com/groups/146952895354657/

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: Magnumguy] #1334653 11/14/12 11:43 AM 11/14/12 11:43 AM
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RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: Mine does the ~starts easy, but when it's hot, loads up bad and you have to "clean" it out when restarting~ issue. Might check the needle/seat and the float. A new needle/seat if you can get one seperately might get you taken care of for cheap which'll benefit you whether you decide to keep it or sell it or even a kit shouldn't be too much live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: Magnumguy] #1334654 11/14/12 12:15 PM 11/14/12 12:15 PM
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VincentVega super stock V Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,106 Northeast	Sounds like heat soak. For what it's worth, I'd take a carter over a holley any day of the week, but that's a matter of opinion. What you describe sounds like heat soak. This can be really bad on a slant six because the exhaust manifold is physically bolted to the intake. so when you shut down, obviously the intake gets scalding, and so does the carb. my '81 was a factory one bbl, and it had a nice heat shield that went between the carb and covered quite a bit of the intake, and hence blocked heat from the exhaust manifold. You might want to look for something like that. From another point of view, my car had horrendous starting issues, but we traced it back to a vapor recovery issue and a problem with the fuel tank rollover valve. Also, I highly suggest wrapping the fuel line to keep excessive heat out of that. Last, that's a lot of car for a 225, it's never going to get out of its own way. Now, you could do something fun, like make a carb box and put a turbo on... boosted stock 225s can make torque that rival diesels (still don't get a lot of HP though with stock cam and head). but with 400 ft lbs, you'll still move out. To me, the 225 had great low range torque, like right off idle. but absolutely no throttle response. So, while they do fine around town, or passing someone on the highway without having to kick down, the torque is all you have. if you push the pedal to the floor, it really has nothing more to give. that's just a function of the (relatively) small cubes, the gearing, the weight, and so on. If you want it to sound faster, flip the lid. Looking for 1975 through 1978 B body 4 door sedan sheet metal or parts cars - monaco, fury, coronet. Please let me know

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: VincentVega] #1334655 11/14/12 01:59 PM 11/14/12 01:59 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,466 Answering the call of the wild T ThermoQuad top fuel
ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,466 Answering the call of the wild	Timing chain is stretched so the cam timing is "late". Very common in slantie's with orig parts The 2bbl set up and a distributor re curve is the hot ticket.

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: adventurer] #1334656 11/14/12 03:26 PM 11/14/12 03:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 570 USA H Hooligan mopar
Hooligan mopar H Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 570 USA	I have an '81 D-150 stepside with a /6, A-833 OD tranny and a 3.54 gear. I is mechanically sound but, it is incredibly slow! I will be swapping it over to a 360 six pack this year. That is the only "SIX" that I want attached to my gas pedal! I figured, why modify the /6 six and still have to listen to that awful 6 cylinder exhaust note...YUCK! Plus the fact that the /6 did not get tremendous gas mileage anyway!

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: Hooligan] #1334657 11/14/12 03:32 PM 11/14/12 03:32 PM
Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,106 Northeast V VincentVega super stock
VincentVega super stock V Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,106 Northeast	The exhaust note is one of those acquired tastes, to be sure. I have a /6 Volare Duster I used to tool around my property with. Muffler delete option. My sister said it sounded like an "angry warthog." On the other hand, the intake sound can be quite nice, and it was much louder on my 4bbl setup than the exhaust. that part sounded V8'ish. It was loud enough to attract attention and the occasional would-be-racer. Looking for 1975 through 1978 B body 4 door sedan sheet metal or parts cars - monaco, fury, coronet. Please let me know

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: Hooligan] #1334658 11/14/12 04:02 PM 11/14/12 04:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,902 Athens, Greece Pyper70 master
Pyper70 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,902 Athens, Greece	Quote: why modify the /6 six and still have to listen to that awful 6 cylinder exhaust note...YUCK! I dunno what you are talking about...My slant was always purring like a kitten and had a nasty bite Slant 6 70' Dart Exhaust lope at idle Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: Pyper70] #1334659 11/14/12 05:16 PM 11/14/12 05:16 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 411 Texas vynn3 mopar
vynn3 mopar Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 411 Texas	Quote: Quote: why modify the /6 six and still have to listen to that awful 6 cylinder exhaust note...YUCK! I dunno what you are talking about...My slant was always purring like a kitten and had a nasty bite My Swinger with Dutra Duals sounds like a WWII fighter plane on the highway. LOVE it! If I wanna hear another V-8, I can listen to just about any pickup truck in Texas. vm

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: vynn3] #1334660 11/14/12 05:47 PM 11/14/12 05:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	A 4000 lb pickup and a 100 hp engine makes for a slow ride. I don't mind the idea of a six, but the long stroke 225 sounds thrashy to me, I don't care what exhaust one runs. Little pistons traveling way too far per revolution. My only slant six experience was my grandpa's '64 Valiant. After he died we got to drive Grandma on long trips to see her other grandchildren. I don't remember getting over 23 mpg at 70. Long trips on the Interstate were murder. That constant commotion from under the hood drove me nuts. This was on a properly-maintained car with 65,000 miles on it. Also consider that it's a 4 main bearing engine. While that may have been enough in the '30s, 7 main bearings make a much stouter bottom end for turbocharging, and that is how I see a slant six being useful. Throw about 10 pounds of boost on it and suddenly you don't have to rev the @#4% out of it to get somewhere. The manifolds are both on the same side and the slant configuration makes for a neat setup. But there's no way it would be less expensive than a $100 roller cam 318 from a Fifth Avenue, and would probably get the same mileage. R.

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: dogdays] #1334661 11/14/12 06:10 PM 11/14/12 06:10 PM
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76dodgeboy master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa	I think the Dutra Duels are rather pricey when headers can be had for less to a little more.

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1334662 11/14/12 06:53 PM 11/14/12 06:53 PM
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,093 It's beer:30 somewhere adventurer OP super stock
adventurer OP super stock Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,093 It's beer:30 somewhere	Thanks for all the replies guys, I think after all I've read and looked at it just is not worth it to me to fool with the /6. Based on cost and results I believe I'd be better off just putting a v8 in and forget it. So the hunt begins for the right donor vehicle with a 5.2/5.9 magnum and a518. I really think I'll be money ahead and much happier with the end results. Thanks again. Last edited by adventurer; 11/14/12 09:38 PM. 77 Dodge Adventurer SE 440 2wd SWB 78 Dodge Adventurer SE 440 2wd Utiline 90 Dodge D150 SWB 2wd 318fi 4speed 60 Desoto Adventurer 2dr 67 Dodge Dart Gt Conv. 273 4bbl 04 PT Cruiser GT Turbo 14 Ram R/T "Life's to short to drink cheap beer."

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1334663 11/14/12 06:57 PM 11/14/12 06:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI patrick I Live Here
patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	I'm kind of a slant fan, but for a truck, I'd probably swap a '94-01 magnum 318 in there with a 600 cfm carb and never look back.....you'll probably get as good of mileage at highway speeds, and more than double your HP (my duster's slant was rated at 101HP net in 1976) 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: adventurer] #1334664 11/14/12 09:05 PM 11/14/12 09:05 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Quote: Thanks for all the replies guys, I think after all I've read and look at it just is not worth it to me to fool with the /6. Based on cost and results I believe I'd be better off just putting a v8 in and forget it. So the hunt begins for the right donor vehicle with a 5.2/5.9 magnum and a518. I really think I'll be money ahead and much happier with the end results. Thanks again. You won't regret it. I put a 5.2 magnum into my jeep instead of wasting more money on the carbed 4.2 inline 6 it had. I did carb and distributor and while it ran better, it was still a bagged out POS. You can use any year of 5.2/5.9 engine, but you want 92-95 wiring, computer and sensors if you want to keep the EFI and 95 or earlier transmission. Mine's a 99 5.2 running on 95 electronics.

Re: /6 1barrel to 2 barrel or just v8 it and forget it [Re: Pyper70] #1334665 11/15/12 12:14 AM 11/15/12 12:14 AM
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Hooligan mopar H Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 570 USA	Yours sounded good...mine sounds like a psychotic goat with it's tail on fire! I have two Aero turbine mufflers on my /6, but they are connected to a 2 into 1 pipe...which is why it is so irritating! It should sound sweet when they are behind the 360 with headers! (he said with a nice sounding tone in his voice)

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