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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
[Re: Steve1118]
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10/22/12 09:42 PM
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After being fulley restored, it now has black air cleaner lids and bumperettes. Guy must have consulted you on the resto?
No, I didn't help them in any way with the restoration, but I did spend many hours going over it in the ICCA judging booth at the Vegas Mopars At The Strip Show.
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
[Re: Crizila]
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10/23/12 12:08 AM
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It had more wrong with it then than it does now, at the time it had a 64 engine in it. I hear it's since been replaced with a proper 63 version (back when it was sold at Russo Steele a couple years ago). As far as being wrong on the air cleaners goes, I have zero problem admitting I am wrong about something, it's happened before and it'll certainly happen again. However.....Concerning the orange air cleaners there's no solid proof (a single photo of a car that was over a year old when taken, while interesting and invites question, is not solid evidence) either of us is right or wrong. You're recollections as the original owner certainly have merit, however the preponderance of evidence that black was the only color, and lack of other exisiting original orange examples, bodes well for my take on black being the only color.  
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
[Re: Crizila]
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10/23/12 12:57 PM
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I  to your expertise on those early max cars Scott, but you are still wrong on those air cleaner lids.
John, one thing you have to remember about restoring these cars is the phrase “consistent with production standards.” Orange lids aren’t consistent with production standards and will cost points in judging.
Your car may have been delivered to you with orange lids but shipped to the dealer with black lids. Stuff happens along the way.
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
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10/24/12 10:44 PM
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I to your expertise on those early max cars Scott, but you are still wrong on those air cleaner lids.
John, one thing you have to remember about restoring these cars is the phrase “consistent with production standards.” Orange lids aren’t consistent with production standards and will cost points in judging.
Your car may have been delivered to you with orange lids but shipped to the dealer with black lids. Stuff happens along the way.
 10-4 on that.
I disagree "consistent with production standards" is when you don't have any info as how it was delivered. This guy saw it with his own eyes and has a photo so he's right, not some self made "expert". How can you set there and call him a liar? Or should we call you guys GOD now. There have been plenty of mistakes come down the line and this won't be the last one.
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
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10/24/12 11:08 PM
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I disagree "consistent with production standards" is when you don't have any info as how it was delivered. This guy saw it with his own eyes and has a photo so he's right, not some self made "expert". How can you set there and call him a liar? Or should we call you guys GOD now. There have been plenty of mistakes come down the line and this won't be the last one.
Well first of all YOU need to get your facts straight! nobody here has called themselves an "expert" (or GOD)and NOBODY has called the man a liar!
Concerning factory "mistakes" there were no regular production line red Max Wedge air cleaners to "mistakingly" install so how exactly would that mistake have been made? If you would actually read the entire content of all of the related posts you will get some detailed info. concerning the other possibilities (in both directions).
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
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10/25/12 01:49 AM
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I have been here from the start and YOU did call him a liar and i got the facts straight! You just can't admit you could be wrong. All you have to say is its possible period.
Sorry buddy, you are dilusional and need to get educated
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
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10/25/12 01:51 AM
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I to your expertise on those early max cars Scott, but you are still wrong on those air cleaner lids.
John, one thing you have to remember about restoring these cars is the phrase “consistent with production standards.” Orange lids aren’t consistent with production standards and will cost points in judging.
Your car may have been delivered to you with orange lids but shipped to the dealer with black lids. Stuff happens along the way.
10-4 on that.
I disagree "consistent with production standards" is when you don't have any info as how it was delivered.
Consistent with production standards refers to how the car built as it came down the line, not how it was delivered to the customer. How do you know the A/Cs weren’t installed by the dealer? How do you know John's car was built with orange A/Cs? (There were no option codes for colored A/Cs, so there weren't multiple parts bins to pick from.)
Which examples are consistent with production standards, 1195 plymouths built with black A/Cs or 1 built with orange A/Cs?
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
[Re: cudaman1969]
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10/25/12 04:16 AM
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"Papaj" your eng looks great but you would not say it looks like a correct real SuperStock eng from 65 or 64. That was one of my only points about this post. I think your eng looks awesome and if you wanted it to look closer to the 60's look sure you could paint it orange and add the V/C decals but its all in the owners taste. Thats basically what I meant about this post and please know I mean no disrespect to your awesome eng and car.  As for the orange air cleaner lids all I can say is to the best of my knowledge they came black out of the factory but I have seen many pics of chrome ones but never red. But if they came that way someone could have put them on or even painted the black ones somewhere in the factory or dealer. It reminds me of the black 63 Sport Fury that a guy had restored and when they pulled the rear chrome pieces off someone painted under them.......can you dig it ? I am sure some guy at the factory must have had a little fun that day.  Ron
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Wonder if they ever questioned how the damage occured to the inside of the right frame rail? 
I 
I just took a couple of the pictures of the pictures of the engine compartment and it is now in "My Documents". What's next?
