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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
[Re: Crizila]
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10/21/12 04:41 PM
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Just an FYI, they all didn't come from the factory with black air cleaner lids.
Sorry, I recall that thread, while it was a very cool car I'll maintain that those and all other steel air cleaner equipped cars had lids that were black from the factory.
That car looks vintage race correct, but that picture is not solid proof of factory correctness, It's obvious that it already had a number of modifications, it's HIGHLY likely that the owner pulled them off, masked off the decals, and sprayed them red/orange.
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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10/21/12 05:10 PM
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The beauty of NSS racing is it gives us geezers the opportunity to use outmoded parts and still have some fun.
I've been involved with this since 1964, when my cousin bought a new aluminum nosed Hemi 330 Sedan. I've been racing mine since 1969, and am a big, big supporter of NSS racing and have my own thoughts. I have no problem with some of the new equipment...in many cases it's better, and, more important, safer. And, in many cases, cheaper. If you want to be totally pure, don't have roll cages and let's all race in t-shirts that say Hurst on them.
See, though, I'm still pretty much a purist. My Hemi is still 426 inches, and has old NASCAR rods and TRW pistons.....even a Racer Brown roller. That stuff is worthless now, to sell, but I had tons of it here still in boxes, and sure didn't want to eat it. And, I still use SS springs....I'm one of those who are not convinced that Cal Tracs are the be-all end-all. I still like the SS springs. My dear freind Bob George calls me a dinosaur...I like the old stuff.
My big deal these days is lettering and the hood scoops. Back in the day, no one had hood scoops that were eight feet high. Also, everyone was lettered up. I don't know where this no lettering is cool deal came from, but in the day everything was lettered....and decaled. Contingency money was a big, big deal, and to get a piece of that action, you had to have 'em stickered up.
As far as tires go, I don't care. Again, safety and expense come into play. Back in the day, you could get away with a small tire because there were no decent converters around.
If someone somehow wants to feed their ego by building an eight second car, I don't care....except for safety. My ego doesn't require me to do that....I'm here to have fun. I was able to do it the first time around, and now that my kids are grown, house paid off, and looking retirement right in the eye, I get to do it again. How cool.
But, make 'em look the part. Correct scoops, letter 'em up. Oh....big blocks and two four barrells ONLY!!
"Old age and treachery trumps youth and enthusiasm, every time!" East Central Director / Chrysler Power Magazine www.reasbeckracing.webs.com
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
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10/21/12 07:08 PM
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Just an FYI, they all didn't come from the factory with black air cleaner lids.
Sorry, I recall that thread, while it was a very cool car I'll maintain that those and all other steel air cleaner equipped cars had lids that were black from the factory.
That car looks vintage race correct, but that picture is not solid proof of factory correctness, It's obvious that it already had a number of modifications, it's HIGHLY likely that the owner pulled them off, masked off the decals, and sprayed them red/orange.
A--- I am the original owner ( documented ) - and unless someone painted the lids before it hit the showroom floor ( I personally drove it off the Chrysler dealerships showroom floor in 63 with orange air cleaner lids )thats the color ( same orange as the engine and valve covers )the cleaner lids came with from the factory. BTW, the pic was taken before I made any modifications what so ever to the car.
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
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10/21/12 08:35 PM
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This has turned into quite the interesting thread. I chose to run stock eliminator with one of these cars because I have always wanted too. The flat hood is part of the rules for me even though I run the high compression version, steel front end no scoop. I also run 9" tires as that's all I'm allowed to run. It's fun trying to fit inside the NHRA box but frustrating at times. NSS is also an awfully fun thing to run! I don't think I added a dang thing to this thread other than my opinion. Carry on....
Beautiful car Jon!
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
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10/21/12 08:46 PM
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Massive 7" Atlas Bucrons.
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
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10/21/12 09:27 PM
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
[Re: Crizila]
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10/21/12 11:21 PM
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BTW, the pic was taken before I made any modifications what so ever to the car.
I am not trying start a wizzing match with you but having seen countless original air cleaners from these cars over the years, all black, and not a single exception, I still doubt they were original. That said anything was POSSIBLE with Chrysler, just not likely in this case.
Maybe the dealer painted them, or maybe your memory has faded? IMO either is a possibility.
You said it yourself that you hadn't made a SINGLE modification to the car when that pic was taken? What about the fuel lines that show in the pics? Those aren't stock, or they are at least modified or insulated. The date of March 1964 on the photo edge is also evidence that the car had been around a year or more when that pic was taken, you didn't change a thing for the first year or more of ownership?
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
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10/22/12 02:00 PM
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BTW, the pic was taken before I made any modifications what so ever to the car.
I am not trying start a wizzing match with you but having seen countless original air cleaners from these cars over the years, all black, and not a single exception, I still doubt they were original. That said anything was POSSIBLE with Chrysler, just not likely in this case.
Maybe the dealer painted them, or maybe your memory has faded? IMO either is a possibility.
You said it yourself that you hadn't made a SINGLE modification to the car when that pic was taken? What about the fuel lines that show in the pics? Those aren't stock, or they are at least modified or insulated. The date of March 1964 on the photo edge is also evidence that the car had been around a year or more when that pic was taken, you didn't change a thing for the first year or more of ownership?
Everything you see in the color engine pic - fuel lines ( I did wrap them with insulation tape), fuel filters, air cleaner lids, battery location, exhaust manifolds, were as it rolled off the showroom floor Scott. Only changes I made at that point in time was the gear and tires. Wish I could share some better pics with you, but ----. Car ran low 13's / high 12's as you see it with a T33 3spd. Converts were heavy. As you said, anything was possible from the factory back then, but my memory still serves me relatively well. It was a strange combination ( engine, body ) even for that time. I might add, it is the only Sport Fury body ( with all the trimmings)that I have ever seen that didn't come with front bumper "bumperettes". Again, thats how it came. After being fulley restored, it now has black air cleaner lids and bumperettes. Guy must have consulted you on the resto? 
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
[Re: Crizila]
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10/22/12 02:08 PM
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Now you all have me wondering something.  Were the Atlas Bucron tires a treaded street legal tires ? I mean did they look like any normal street tire from back then but made with softer stickier rubber ? I have never seen one at all or a close up pic of one. Thanks , Ron
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Re: 64 SuperStock Dodge ?
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10/22/12 02:53 PM
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They were street legal. Very soft compound. Had two grooves running the circumference of the tread surface, and many sipes (small cuts) cut in to the tread surfice - and you could get them in "wide whites" - if I remember correctly 
Thanks Crizila.  Ron
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