Re: Can't get Motor and 4 Speed Tranny to mate up?
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10/13/12 03:10 PM
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Making normal assumptions here but I am sure you used a clutch alignment tool when you bolted the pressure plate on. Did you make sure that nothing was done to the pilot bushing? I had an issue once where there was way too much grease packed into the pilot bushing and the trans would not go all the way into the bushing. You got the trans in neutral? Is the throwout bearing moving freely on the input shaft bearing retainer?
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
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Re: Can't get Motor and 4 Speed Tranny to mate up?
[Re: FC7AARcuda]
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10/13/12 04:23 PM
10/13/12 04:23 PM
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I would NEVER try to put an engine in with a manual trans sitting in the car. Bolt them together first or install engine first! They're enough of a PIA getting them out that way.
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Re: Can't get Motor and 4 Speed Tranny to mate up?
[Re: FC7AARcuda]
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10/13/12 04:27 PM
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I did use a clutch alignment tool. It slips in and out with no problem. I've tried installing the motor with the car in gear and in neutral. The through out bearing moves fine. The pressure plate is not far enough back to touch the bearing so it must be the pressure plate that is catching.
I'm trying to avoid pulling the trans because I would then have to pull the exhaust, driveshaft, shifter linkage, etc. That's my last resort if I can't get the engine on with the trans in the car.
I hear ya there. I am just getting ready to install a 340 in a 73 Cuda and will be doing the same thing you are shortly, so this post kinda helps me too before I start my install. I have put dozens of engines and 4-speeds together and have run into all kinds of issues, some that I posted above. The pressure plate should have nothing to do with the two mating together, it is usually the clutch disc that does that. If you moved the disc after installing it with tool then the trans will not mate.
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
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Re: Can't get Motor and 4 Speed Tranny to mate up?
[Re: Rhinodart]
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10/13/12 04:44 PM
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Is the pressure plate in the right way? Slide the motor in as far as you can get it to the transmission, than bolt 4 extra long bolts and adjust the bolts so that all four corners are square. You should be able to giggle either the motor or the transmission and it should slide right together. If it doesn't, try turning each bolt a little at a time and see if it will slide together that way. Do NOT use excessive force. If you can't get it together that way. I suggest your pilot bushing is too tight and needs to be reamed out.[It happens all the time} or something else is wrong and it will need to come apart.
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Re: Can't get Motor and 4 Speed Tranny to mate up?
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10/13/12 06:35 PM
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i know you used the tool before, and it slides out "freely " however, loosen the pressure plate bolts ... insert alignment tool .. lift up " slightly " on the alignment tool while keeping the disc lifted / centered , cross tighten your pressure plate bolts. snug each one firmly in a pattern, then tq. to specs! the slightest mis-alignment feels like you hit a brick wall ! that is the issue. .. Bw.
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Re: Can't get Motor and 4 Speed Tranny to mate up?
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10/13/12 06:58 PM
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Wait a Minute!!! Your trying to stab the engine in the car with the 4 speed mounted in?? Dude, pull the trans back, mount the engine in place with the bell and clutch installed and then install the 4 speed. You will have a heck of a time if you plan on installing it any other way. Or even easier why not pull the trans and mount it to the engine outside of the car and drop it in as one piece and save yourself hours of frustration? Listen to Bobs66440!
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Re: Can't get Motor and 4 Speed Tranny to mate up?
[Re: BB65Barracuda]
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10/13/12 07:45 PM
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Wait a Minute!!! Your trying to stab the engine in the car with the 4 speed mounted in?? Dude, pull the trans back, mount the engine in place with the bell and clutch installed and then install the 4 speed. You will have a heck of a time if you plan on installing it any other way. Or even easier why not pull the trans and mount it to the engine outside of the car and drop it in as one piece and save yourself hours of frustration? Listen to Bobs66440!
I have done it with the trans in the car quite a few times, if everything is in line then there is no issue. I quit using the plastic alignment tools years ago, have a nice Snap-On steel tool that comes with several different ends that screws that goes in the pilot bushing. I do agree with loosening up the pressure plate bolts, have had to do that before.
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
JB Rhinehart, Realist
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Re: Can't get Motor and 4 Speed Tranny to mate up?
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10/14/12 02:01 AM
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I'm trying to avoid pulling the trans because I would then have to pull the exhaust, driveshaft, shifter linkage, etc. That's my last resort if I can't get the engine on with the trans in the car.
With all the work and aggravation you're going through, it seems it would be much easier to do and you won't have to wrestle with it. Heck, the driveshaft takes about 15 minutes. The shifter is a pain admittedly, but I think it took me about 20-30 minutes max. I didn't have to remove my exhaust, I just dropped it down out of the way. I have an "H" pipe, but I split and sleeved it so it would be easier. I think the whole process was about 3 hours start to finish, not counting welding up new custom header pipes for the new headers, re-installing the carbs, radiator, hood, etc..
And I used the shorty headers, so I could install the engine with them BOLTED UP!
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Re: Can't get Motor and 4 Speed Tranny to mate up?
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10/16/12 10:55 PM
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Here is a couple of things I have run against. First, the plastic alignment tool has some pretty loose tolarences. I usually just snug the pressure plate bolts enought to hold the disk, but loose enough to allow disk to slide. I'll install transmission then tighten the pressure plate bolts by rotating the engine. Second, I have run into a crank that was drilled for a 4 speed and had a bushing installed, but it wasn't deep enough. It was about a 1/4" to shallow.
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