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Re: Hemi vs Wedge
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wasn't the buick using questionable heads or something?
Yes, among other stuff as well..  Didn't matter...Dave's 100% legal bird knocked them all on their assses.
MB
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Re: Hemi vs Wedge
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I don't think that I would be "STUPID" enough to run a 600+ "street driven" Maxie against a HEMI that has TWICE the HP! Ain't gonna happen! I'll take my chances against Mikes' 12.5 to 1 comp HEMI Challenger.
Put as much as was put into my Challenger into ANY of the motors you mentioned with a similar car weight and you'd be likely to get your azz handed to you.. Then or now. Maybe a 427 Vette might make some noise, but not much else.
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Mike..don't slip a tire off the line.  You may get your backside  I hope the "Roaster" works well for you!
Here is something else to ponder, while on the subject of brand X motors. I ran a 455 Pontiac in a Tempest in the early 80's. It was pretty high level for that time, SD rods, domes, Fully ported Nunzi prepped 722 round port(RAIV) heads, a Warrior intake, big Holley, etc. I wasn't a pimple on the asss of what my Challenger was running back then. And my car had way more, in terms of mods than my Challenger did at that time. And if I happened to miss a shift....  
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Nunzi...The Pontiac Legend from N.Y.C.  Very nice guy and a heck of a racer "back-in the-days".
Built and tuned a LOT of super-hot machines!!  I ran a 400 T-37 Tempest back in the mid-80's, out in West Texas. Fast car, just a bit of a problem to get it to "hook".  Seriously, Mike that Challenger combo sounds almost like a "Pure Stock" type setup. Sounds like it was good for low 12's/high 11's with some fine tuning.
"Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids"
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Re: Hemi vs Wedge
[Re: HYPER8oSoNic]
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N-I-C-E clip, Mike. The Buick needed a "few more" cubes to STOP the HEMIS" top end charge, otherwise a good match F.A.S.T style.
Dave is Mopar "icon" in the New England/New York "Capital" Region. I remember his recent 'bouts against a Boss 429 Mustang. Both are running in the nines, battling it out now! 
The quick Mustang running in F.A.S.T isn't a Boss 429 engine.
It's a very big Cobra Jet or something, built by one of the top engine shops around, BES. I could be wrong, but I think it's around 100ci bigger tham the Roadrunner's HEMI, with a few suspension tricks that I've heard were a tad questionable.
Good running car though.
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Re: Hemi vs Wedge
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N-I-C-E clip, Mike. The Buick needed a "few more" cubes to STOP the HEMIS" top end charge, otherwise a good match F.A.S.T style.
Dave is Mopar "icon" in the New England/New York "Capital" Region. I remember his recent 'bouts against a Boss 429 Mustang. Both are running in the nines, battling it out now!
The quick Mustang running in F.A.S.T isn't a Boss 429 engine.
It's a very big Cobra Jet or something, built by one of the top engine shops around, BES. I could be wrong, but I think it's around 100ci bigger tham the Roadrunner's HEMI, with a few suspension tricks that I've heard were a tad questionable.
Good running car though.
Its a 429 CJ based engine. Those heads have tremendous potential, especially when coupled with big cubes. From what is known the engine is bigger than 600". Yes, its a Tony Bischoff engine with supposedly a very high $$ budget. How much its been teched, I dont know? I do know Dave's Hemi was torn completely downm for all to see.
Its all a moot point, though. From what I have been told, the Barton built FAST Hemi will blow everyone out of the water. Should be on the track very soon.
MB
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Re: Hemi vs Wedge
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Heading to PRP for Thursday night test & tune. HEMI guys please have some good stories posted for me to read when I get home late tonight. A good laugh always leads to a good night's sleep.
I had to break up with my cross-eyed girlfriend.
I found out she was seeing me and another guy at the same time.
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Re: Hemi vs Wedge
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A man walks into a bar... OUCH!
BTW, sorry about ending the hemi vs. wedge debate.
This post is available in double vision where drunk.
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Re: Hemi vs Wedge
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N-I-C-E clip, Mike. The Buick needed a "few more" cubes to STOP the HEMIS" top end charge, otherwise a good match F.A.S.T style.
Dave is Mopar "icon" in the New England/New York "Capital" Region. I remember his recent 'bouts against a Boss 429 Mustang. Both are running in the nines, battling it out now!
The quick Mustang running in F.A.S.T isn't a Boss 429 engine.
It's a very big Cobra Jet or something, built by one of the top engine shops around, BES. I could be wrong, but I think it's around 100ci bigger tham the Roadrunner's HEMI, with a few suspension tricks that I've heard were a tad questionable.
Good running car though.
Fellas....Before the "Tech Sharks" start really pulling blood, my error the 429 SUPER Cobra Jet is the motor. NOT the BOSS motor. I got Laney's ride crossed up with some one elses. FYI, the cube different between the two, is WAY less than 100! So, my apologies to all!!
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Re: Hemi vs Wedge
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Its a 429 CJ based engine. Those heads have tremendous potential, especially when coupled with big cubes. From what is known the engine is bigger than 600". Yes, its a Tony Bischoff engine with supposedly a very high $$ budget. How much its been teched, I dont know? I do know Dave's Hemi was torn completely downm for all to see. Its all a moot point, though. From what I have been told, the Barton built FAST Hemi will blow everyone out of the water. Should be on the track very soon. MB
It IS a SUPER Cobra Jet based block that measures UNDER 600", 'nuff said. If you want find out the EXACT cubes, talk to Lane. You'll get an answer NOT guesstimation!
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Re: Hemi vs Wedge
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It's a very big Cobra Jet or something, built by one of the top engine shops around, BES. I could be wrong, but I think it's around 100ci bigger tham the Roadrunner's HEMI, with a few suspension tricks that I've heard were a tad questionable. Good running car though.
Fellas....Before the "Tech Sharks" start really pulling blood, my error the 429 SUPER Cobra Jet is the motor. NOT the BOSS motor. I got Laney's ride crossed up with some one elses. FYI, the cube different between the two, is WAY less than 100! So, my apologies to all!!
Do you know what the "ci" is???
I've heard the newer engine is in the vicinity of 588ci.....while Dudek's under 500ci. I've never been to a F.A.S.T. race, but people who have, have told me there are also non-stock suspension parts visible that help with a certain ford front end issue.
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Re: Hemi vs Wedge
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That would be Lane Carey's Stang you are talking about. Last I heard it was a 557 wedge eng based on the 429 CJ I believe. Very nice looking and running 71 Stang. Dave's eng was like 496 cubes I think ? Isn't Dave going to run Pure Stock with his new Hemi Super Bee ? Ron
Ron, Both Dudeks' and Carey motors are well into 500 inches. Dudeks is around 528", while Careys' is 588".
Did Dudek build a new engine???
His last one was reported to be 4.310 x 4.250....or, were those numbers fudged???
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Re: Hemi vs Wedge
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Its a 429 CJ based engine. Those heads have tremendous potential, especially when coupled with big cubes. From what is known the engine is bigger than 600". Yes, its a Tony Bischoff engine with supposedly a very high $$ budget. How much its been teched, I dont know? I do know Dave's Hemi was torn completely downm for all to see.
Its all a moot point, though. From what I have been told, the Barton built FAST Hemi will blow everyone out of the water. Should be on the track very soon.
MB
It IS a SUPER Cobra Jet based block that measures UNDER 600", 'nuff said. If you want find out the EXACT cubes, talk to Lane. You'll get an answer NOT guesstimation!
I know Lane for many years and we are considered friends. Good guy I thought that when the aftermarket block debate came up, he intimated that the motor he already had was over 600", and that the new block rule would put him at a handicap?  .. If I dont have that right, then by all means I stand corrected. Yeah, everyone knows its a SUPER Cobra Jet. I was just giving the Cliffs Notes version.
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Re: Hemi vs Wedge
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That would be Lane Carey's Stang you are talking about. Last I heard it was a 557 wedge eng based on the 429 CJ I believe. Very nice looking and running 71 Stang. Dave's eng was like 496 cubes I think ? Isn't Dave going to run Pure Stock with his new Hemi Super Bee ? Ron
Ron, Both Dudeks' and Carey motors are well into 500 inches. Dudeks is around 528", while Careys' is 588".
Dave D's motor is under 500 cubes. 496..
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