Re: R5 P7 question with pictures
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DId you have the Browel bell made for the R5 or is it mopar with an adapter plate. Was just thinking about this. I may buy one of these engines. Considered simply modifying the JW bell for the R5 block or just getting a browel bell for a Reid case. Would love to run the Bruno Liberty combo.
If you don't mind what is the cost of going with that transmission?
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Re: R5 P7 question with pictures
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Oyvind, that is some great info but like stated above, a lot of work to do for a block that is readily available here in the states. I will stay with the one pc stuff. Leon, I have been in contact with Browell, it will be a full on steel or aluminum bell housing. No conversion plates. Also retain stock R5 starter location using a Tilton R5 starter. If you go with all new stuff you are looking at about 15k with trans, bruno and bell housing. Then add on the starter and converter. Bruno will sell you the unit without the Bellhousing they use for $100 less than advertised. Thier bell is GM and has a 400 turbo spline input shaft. Yes that is a big amount of $$ but, it should NEVER break. If you plan on running the car for 10 years, then you will come out about even when looking at a trans that can handle upto say 1200hp. Initial cost, rebuilds and breakage will add up over 10 years. As someone here said, buy once cry once...
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Re: R5 P7 question with pictures
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Libertys do break...usually the sliders, but it s a easy fix
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Re: R5 P7 question with pictures
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1200 HP Is that all they are rated for? I know a guy making a lot more than that with a Bruno G force three speed. He had to go to a large input shaft to handle the turbo.
I am not knocking the Bruno Liberty. Think the cool factor alone is awesome. But, my little powerglide has handled 1,500 HP and tons of tire shake. I rebuild it for less than $100 every year. I have had converter trouble but a bruno uses a converter also.
So for three times the money I could have a stick to play with going down the track and should go faster. The other side is the route you are taking does not require a $750 and up adapter plate. Just wish this deal was more affordable. Not saying I would not do it. If I could get half the money for the powerglide it cost to build I would jump on the opportunity.
Will Browell offer a discount if you do two bell housings?
Leon
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Re: R5 P7 question with pictures
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No I was meaning a turbo 400 or 727. The Liberty I have is rated to 3500hp @3000 lbs. I have a Liberty Extreme, rated to 3500hp @ 3000lbs. The Bruno handles that no problem. Due to the class I am running I have a 4spd but you can get the Liberty in a 5spd. They are on racing junk every once in a while. There are tons of gear ratios to choose from... Yes the Bruno uses a convertor, that "challenge" is not avoided... You can find Brunos for sale too, just need to get lucky. But needing a 4spd getting used would be hard for me. Not sure if they will do a group buy, when I am ready, a month at most, I will let you know. If you are ready or interested I will ask. They will want to know if you are running a bolt together convertor as the bells are then longer. I am running a NCR bolt together. I know more $$$ but hey this is the closest to what I want to do and still afford to live... Hope that helps Leon EDIT: the pic above is from a 2800lbs dual frame rail Camaro with a 706 and 4 stages of squeeze, only 2-3 used depending on what was needed. That twisted the drive shaft which caused the case failure. I doubt a glide, 727 or 400 would lived with that sort of failure. Actually the driver broke his thumb on the halo bar and had a slight sepraration of his shoulder. Pretty Violent.
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Re: R5 P7 question with pictures
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I guess most problems with a liberty is from driver errors or wrong adjusted shifters, the newer type sliders looks stronger it s a bit different to drive with a converter, remember to press transbrake button before putting it in gear
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Re: R5 P7 question with pictures
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It s from experience, don t ask It s a few things that are different without a clutch, input shaft is turning all the time unless trans brake is on, you will break a slider if you don t push the brake button... If you make a short burnout, don t use 4 gear or it will jam and stay in 4 till you shut the motor down, even if you put it in first, 4 is still on and will bump first gear of and the car will leave in fourth, if you do a longer (rolling) burnout just touch the tb button while the car is still rolling and it will go to neutral I don t know if this make any sense now but it will
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Re: R5 P7 question with pictures
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not fourth gear(or fifth on a 5 speed), after the finish line you need to "blip the throttle" to let it go to neutral, it s a bit different but works very good don t know if it is faster than a automatic but sure makes you feel like a "real" racer
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