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Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1255399
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I machine a lot of ABS at work and sometimes that requires glueing multiple pieces to get the thickness I need because they don't make the raw stock thicker than 4 inches. The best ABS cement I've found is made by Marsh Laboratories in Pittsburgh PA 412-271-3060. It's really inexpensive and is sold in 1 pint cans. Their stuff is a commercial version of Scott's mix, it's just ABS resin and Methylethyl Ketone.


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Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: Big Bad Bee] #1255400
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Ice, please do!

Sinitro, You need a road trip to San Berdoo!




Noted..
We go to Vegas frequently and purchase the real stuff of acetone & lacquer thinner there..

Yup..
LA County is banning alot of stuff...
Even my 2-cycle weed wacker is history...
Next..
Maybe I will need to install a Prius driveline in the RoadRunner..

Just my $0.02...

Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1255401
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Ice, please do!





I should have taken more pics.. but its on a Chevy Vega lol. Anyways I was frustrated with trying to make plastic 'shelves' for grills that I have that were broken.. a real PITA to shape, bond, etc. I'm into make model RC WWII aircraft bigtime, and familular with balsa wood. When finished properly, it harder the thermo/abs plastic, and the balsa has the added bonus of easly shaped to conform to whatever I need.

Thats what I did. Shaped fit a piece of balsa wood, then covered with resine ( that kind one uses with fiberglass mat). I then used a sponge brush to spread out the resine. Its almost self leveling, after it dries theres very minimal sanding to do, and one ends up with a very strong repair that after painted, looks 100% factory.

Pic below dosn't do it justice, but there it is in a nutshell so to speak.



So theres my little contribution to the MoPar community




Ice, thanks for posting. That's a great idea/solution. I have a third grill that I could probably restore using that technique. Balsa really is great to work with and it makes total sense to use it this way.


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Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: Big Bad Bee] #1255402
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I have a question
i have a 70 cuda grill still mounted in the header panel
i hit something and bent the heck out of the header panel and distorted the grill and put a few cracks in it
if i unbolt it from the header pannel will the grill return its shape or is it junk????


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Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: toplescuda] #1255403
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unbolt it....Quicker the better! A heat gun used VERY carefully will sometimes help unwarp them but it's DICEY, especially if you are a rookie with a heat gun. Try letting it sit out in the sun for several days first, it may relax and go back into shape.

Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1255404
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Grill has been in this shape for bout 5 years


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Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: toplescuda] #1255405
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I bought a 70 cuda in the same condition. Who knows how long the header was bent. Pushed back about 1.5 inches. I pulled it apart and it did relax.


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Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: Big Bad Bee] #1255406
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Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: Sinitro] #1255407
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Awesome.. Great details..
Unfortunately we can't purchase acetone in LA County..

Just my $0.02...




Try San Bernardino Co


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Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: Big Bad Bee] #1255408
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cool stuff...what other parts will this work on (or what else is madeof ABS Plastic)???

I have a cracked E-body door panel that I would like to try this on.

Jason

Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: CUDAJAS] #1255409
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E-body door panels are made of Polyethylene/Polypropylene blend, the suggested repair process described on this thread (or any other glues for that matter) will not work on any Poly based materials. The only repair means for those types of plastics is heat welding, and the results of that usually leaves scars bigger than the initial problem.

Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1255410
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I machine and fabricate a lot of different plastics at work and have had good luck with an adhesive that will work with Polyethylene and Polypropylene. It's called Plexus and can be purchased here http://www.itwplexus.com/. They have a great technical staff on hand if you have any questions.


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Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: steve70] #1255411
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Cool, that must be some new stuff, I've never heard of it. Do you know what it's composed of or how it reacts to the material to form a bond?

Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1255412
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Scott,
I work for an OE autmotive supplier and was machining a prototype bass box (about 4 years ago) out of solid Polypropylene instead of the usual ABS and was looking for a way to bond the two halves. I called Plexus and they recommended their Methacrylate adhesive. I had my doubts but it really did the job and I have used it many times since then. The glue joint isn't pretty and would only be usefull on an area that is not visible because it really doesn't "melt" into the material the way MEK would. I don't really know how it works but it contains Methylmethacrylate and Methacrylate Acid.


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Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: steve70] #1255413
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Ok, thank you, the Methylmethacrylate and Methacrylate Acid pretty much explains it, that's some nasty stuff! But I can see how it would get a chemical bond while basically nothing else will, gluing to PE/PP is generally like trying to glue a couple candles together .

Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1255414
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Been working all week repairing 1968-69 Charger gilles using the acetone and old grille pieces as a paste method,, it works perfect

Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: gtx6970] #1255415
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Yeah, did my 71 Challenger grill a month back, had plenty of small holes drilled in it from previous life (why??!!) and this worked a treat. Been waiting to do this since Scott first mentioned it years ago....

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That's the easy part Lindy, wait until you go to paint it, then the fun begins. I've been using this process for 20 years.

Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: Big Bad Bee] #1255417
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Hmmmm..... the timing cover on my Mitsu eclipse is cracked and i bought a few plastic repair products BUT haven't made an attempt yet.

After reading this...I'm wondering if one of the alternative methods might work better to actually fuse the plastic back together as it originally was. My eclipse has the same 2.0 engine as a DOHC avenger or Talon. Anyone know what the cover is made of and what will work best to repair it? I'm GUESSING its made of....polyethylene???


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Re: Grill Repair. GREAT SCOTT (Smith)! IT REALLY WORKS!!! [Re: Dave440] #1255418
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A lot of plastics parts are marked to show what type of plastic it is so look to see if there a symbol on there. If you have access to some MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) or methylene chloride you can rub some on the plastic with a rag. If the rag melts the plastic then you can use that solvent to repair the part. if it doesn't melt the part than it's probably polypropylene or polyethylene. If it's any type of poly you will need an adhesive called Plexus to make the repair. http://www.itwplexus.com/

For abs repairs I'd recommend the ABS cement from Marsh Laboratories in Pittsburg Pa 412-271-3060. It's really inexpensive and is sold in 1 pint cans.

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