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4. Thicker rear sway bar. It is supposed to help by keeping the high-side rear tire down which means more traction on the back. That equals less over-steer.

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I'm gonna disagree with this one as a potential fix. He already has too much rear rate. Adding more will make it worse. Handling results sometimes are inverse from what you would logically think

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Either increase the front rate with larger torsion bars or a thicker sway bar.... OR reduce the rear with softer springs aor a smaller sway bar.

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I would be tempted to test it with the rear bar removed, to see if the car agrees with our line of thinking there.

You wouldn't be interested in any of my B body suspension mods, as they're geared towards street/strip rather than improved handling.

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Ok, no offense taken. It was explained to me a different way.

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Do not use the edelbrock shocks. Do not.

Bilsteins or adjustable QA1's-best choice as every car is different.

Here is a well mannered high speed big fat B body with lots of welding and few "mods"

The welded k frame is a key piece, do not pass go, do not buy expensive parts or put in the hotchkiss products unless you weld the k frame and box the steering mount.

Do not "over tire" the car. Most cars with big tires/wheels have wayyy tooo much tire under the car. Think 26-27 inches tall 10 inch wide tire.

That's about it for now

Will some one please tell Moparts Tom we deserve our own handling section.

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The welded k frame is a key piece, do not pass go, do not buy expensive parts or put in the hotchkiss products unless you weld the k frame and box the steering mount.

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I have no real world on track experience to dispute or confirm the above, but since I have seen many chopped/cutout/sectioned K members on moparts for clearance/oil pan issues, and none of them IMO retained the full strength/rigidity of an OEM K member, dose that mean they all went backwards in performance, accepting most were 1/4 mile apps?

And "over tire" is specific for application, since I can't imagine in dry conditions on track that except for limited hp, any tire would be oversize, maybe not cost effective, but never to big. Brakes are another matter. We'll discuss that on the brake thread in HP suspension section

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The welded k frame is a key piece, do not pass go, do not buy expensive parts or put in the hotchkiss products unless you weld the k frame and box the steering mount.

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I have no real world on track experience to dispute or confirm the above, but since I have seen many chopped/cutout/sectioned K members on moparts for clearance/oil pan issues, and none of them IMO retained the full strength/rigidity of an OEM K member, dose that mean they all went backwards in performance, accepting most were 1/4 mile apps?

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He means weld the K frame to the frame rails.
He doesn't mean modify the K frame in any way.

Very common/proven effective modification since at least the '70s that I'm aware of...maybe earlier that I have not heard of

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Tom - the Edelbrock shocks are fine for the street, but I do agree - for the track you need step it up. I've got a set of Ridetech single adjustables that I'm going to install for track duty so I'll post up and see how they feel in a few weeks.

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The modified k's that I've seen here were boxed and re-welded. I doubt there was any loss in ridgity there.

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Care to share a pics/links, becuase i have a completely different opinion.


And hey mods, do your job, this should be in "Corners", thanks Mr, angry, et all

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I just posted that we needed a HANDLING section in general, so chime in if you want to see one!

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this aspect of classic Mopar's is the least understood area of all. there is so much mis-information it is crazy. when I was planning my Cuda, I searched all over and talked to many many people about it. The biggest issue is that most people are interested in street manners, however everyone defaults to full on racing advice. That said, there is a lot of correlation between the two, however not all of it transends from one to the other. Next is more personal; it is very hard to articulate what you want as an individual. What is acceptable (or even mandatory) to one person, is compelely unacceptable to another (just look at the opinions on shocks alone). This makes giving or recieving information very difficult.

In my case, I have a Viper and a 10 Challenger to use as "base lines". As you all know, making a 70's era Mopar handle like either of them is an expensive and elusive target. Most people just want thier car to handle, however many people dont remember or even know what these era of cars handled like new and are now comparing them (original or restored) against new cars and cannot help but ask how to make them better.

I went "whole hog" on my Cuda, sub frame connectors, full bracing on the inner fenders, welded K frame, fast ratio steering components, etc. Dont have the car together yet, so I cant tell you how it handles, however based on compnent selection and advice of "experts" (Dick at Firm Feel being one), the car should handle well. However this is intended to be a road race street car, not a new car to be driven 200K miles. I am confident it will be stiff riding (Bilstin up front, 1.14" torsion bars, 1.25" sway bar, strange coil over rear shocks, 4 link, welded LCA, tublar UCA, etc.).

Point here is that we need a handling section to house all of these issues, threads and opinions to allow people to get as much information as possible to make a decision. If possible, it should be divided into street cars, road race, etc. Perhaps something about tires and shocks... I am sure I am asking for too much but I thought I would throw it out there.